Twice can never be Suzy

Your 2nd paragraph is essentially the same argument we typically make w/regards to Suzy, you've just reworded it to not mention her.

Also... meh. Suzy has no relevance abroad. Maybe she's still relevant in Korea as an actress (I wouldn't know, I never hear about her anymore), but frankly I couldn't care less, as that's an entirely different industry. The only relevant point is that no one in Twice was even given the chance to match her individual popularity as an idol until it was too late.

of course not. No idol is exactly the same as another idol, nor are the circumstances surrounding them.

But it definitely acceptable that as an agency JYPE (or any agency) would not want the situation that happened to Miss A and take steps to avoid it.

If Suzy and Miss A both had been successful and had long run, it might not have mattered. But that was not the case.

Agencies do not like/want any one idol -who after all are contractors, to have so huge a brand presence that the entire group's business is dependent on it. It dilutes their control.

That is the reason agencies no more debut solo idols like IU, but only SolUnits - Subunit of 1, from active groups, and that too after some years as a group.

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I genuinely thought Nayeon had a chance after Pop but seeing the flop ABCD is I guess no Twice member is matching Suzy's relevance in Korea or abroad any time soon

You are talking like Bae Suzy has extremely successful solo music career lol

But yes, there is only one Bae Suzy and no one else can have that.

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Nope. Suzy in 2016 was generating more revenue for JYPE with her dramas and CFs than their new boygroup GOT7. Why would they not want another Suzy? They just wanted to have a group that excelled in all metrics, especially fandom-wise and Twice had a strong fandom from debut.

Suzy is more popular than every Twice member abroad. This is not even up for debate. That's the problem tho, not given a chance doesn't mean they can match if they were promoted to begin with. There is no guarantee that they would have been just as popular as Suzy (which is basically the peak for female idols in SK) if they were promoted. I know the member you're talking about is Tzuyu but Koreans never really cared for her other than her visuals.

You say Suzy is popular abroad, and maybe she is, but I honestly have no idea where. Twice are definitely more known here in the US than she is, and I don't encounter any people from other countries who just can't wait to talk about Suzy.

I don't think her popularity as an idol was as untouchable as you seem to believe. Yes, Tzuyu was on her way as an "it girl" in her own right initially, but her popularity was largely organic. She received insufficient support from JYPE, especially after the flag incident, causing all that momentum to die out. We can debate why she was popular, but it doesn't really matter. Fact is she was very popular at the time, and that popularity could have continued to grow and be nurtured by the company if they hadn't crumbled under political pressure and thrown the baby out with the bathwater. It's not like Suzy actually does anything better than her as an idol. She too was popular primarily for her visuals.

And Suzy can never be Twice

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I don't get why Suzy gets blamed when JYP has always been called out by their own idols for poor management for solo careers

I don't think anyone blames Suzy for her own popularity overshadowing the rest of her group. Everyone has to look out for themselves at the end of the day. The only thing you could potentially blame her for was her supposedly bad relations with the other members, but obviously that's a two-way street, and we aren't actually privy to how they treated each other in private.

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Nowhere did I say Suzy was more popular than Twice. I said she was more known individually than every Twice member and that's a fact.

I don't think Suzy's untouchable just that Twice members were never gonna be as big as her. Even with promotions. Maybe at debut she was only popular for her visuals but she quickly became known for other things like Dream High and A101 from where she got the NFL title. She was also very active on variety shows so she constantly stayed in the public's eyes. JYPE tried it again with Dahyun and Sana but it didn't work.

I wouldn't describe Dahyun or Sana as being "very active on variety shows." I wouldn't describe anyone in Twice as being very active at all when it comes to solo promotions, at least when Twice were at their apex in Korea. And therein lies the problem. We don't know what would've happened, because they were never given the same opportunities as Suzy. You can assume none of them would have reached the same heights, but I can just as easily assume they would have.

Twice's members are so closely connected to their group's brand that I feel like we're splitting hairs when comparing their popularity to Suzy's. Obviously a Twice fan is going to know who the individual members are, and I'm willing to bet there are more Twice fans internationally than there are people who've even heard of Suzy. She was an idol in the era before Kpop hit its stride internationally, and Kpop is easily more popular worldwide than Kdramas.

Twice is Twice, and the problem is that they don't really have any member that stands out much more than the others.

yes yes, we have some members that are more popular and more skilled than the others, we know who they are. But I don't feel they stand out enough. Do we really have a "Taeyeon" in Twice? not sure.

When it comes to Suzy, we all know she is not anything special when it comes to the vocals or music. Her solos pretty much sucks. But, it's her star visuals and her acting that makes her shine and gives her star qualities. I don't claim she is a very good actress, I'm not really sure about that, but she is very enjoyable to watch in dramas and movies.

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It's impossible to have an “extremely” successful solo career with only 2 minis out but Suzy's solo songs have always done well. Her pre-release single, Pretend achieved an All Kill and 800k+ ULs, dethroned Ailee's hit OST.

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Add on her successful OSTs and she is easily the biggest female soloist from JYPE. Unless Nayeon gets another hit like Pop.

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Well the lack of discography is her choice, isn't it?

Only IU and D.O seem to have managed successful careers in both singing and acting. Others have been patchy, generally give up when they hit success in acting.

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But they were. Maybe not as much as Suzy was but that was because Twice themselves were so active. Yes we don't know but I am claiming that even if they were given the same opportunities they wouldn't have. It's Suzy > every Twice member rn both in Korea and abroad.

The average Kpop fan knows Twice but can't name half of the members or if they know their names that don't how they look. Suzy is famous for being Suzy. K-pop fans and kdrama fans both know her. But Twice are only popular among Kpop fans.

I'm not talking about Kpop fans, I'm talking about Twice fans. If Suzy were to release an album and go on tour right this moment, do you think she would sell out entire stadiums in multiple countries like Twice have? Because I personally give that about a 0.00000000001% chance of happening.

Miss A were a mid-tier girl group at best, at a time when there were a lot less eyes on Kpop (not to mention Kpop fans tend to age out quickly, meaning even less of us who are still interested actually witnessed that era), and her solo music career practically doesn't exist. She might be huge in Korea still (again, I have no idea), but even if she is, her acting career is the only thing she's known for anymore (that and various advertisements that practically only Koreans have seen.) I am simply not confident in that translating better internationally than what Twice are currently doing. Maybe you can prove me wrong somehow, but I'm in big doubt.

There's no point in trying to predict the individual popularity of Twice's members had they been given the same opportunities as Suzy, because it didn't happen. We don't have the evidence needed to reach any worthwhile conclusions either way. It's a shot in the dark.

Suzy was and is still the most popular JYP idol in Korea even with promo I don’t think it’d change anything.

But I still don’t get your argument because of outside of Korea she’s definitely not more relevant than Misamo+Nayeon in Japan, neither in Taiwan like Tzuyu.

There’s a reason why she sticked to acting dans goes to Yoona they were never meant to be Taeyeon/IU.

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Suzy was and is still the most popular JYP idol in Korea even with promo I don’t think it’d change anything.

Hyuna might be a match to Suzy, among ex-JYP idols. of course has a larger discography than Suzy.

But even 'scandal-hit' notoriety can be popularity.

oh, forgot Somi, she too is ex-JYPE.

simply none of Twice's Korean members have the looks. I think Sana and Tzuyu are pretty but they are not Korean. Also pivoting to acting is pretty difficult.

I think idols like Yunjin or Wonyoung would have a better chance of replicating Bae's success.

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It's impossible to have an “extremely” successful solo career with only 2 minis out but Suzy's solo songs have always done well. Her pre-release single, Pretend achieved an All Kill and 800k+ ULs, dethroned Ailee's hit OST.

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Add on her successful OSTs and she is easily the biggest female soloist from JYPE. Unless Nayeon gets another hit like Pop.

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And what about her most recent music? Neyeon solo debut was even more successful that Suzys. So yeah, let's not pretend like Twice girlies don't have opportunity to surpas Bae Suzy in this department because to be frank she doesn't even try.

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D.O?

EXO Doh Kyungsoo who goes by D.O

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And she is more successful than Taeyeon bffr.

Let us not mix streams.

Suzy hardly sings anymore and Taeyeon mostly sings, does some variety - why even compare,

Different choices, different careers.

This takes away from the point of the post.

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And why does that matter lmao, Suzy is still more popular overall than every Twice member

The only reason why she mostly acts now is cuz she prefers being an actress over an idol. And she is more successful than Taeyeon bffr.

Overall based on what ? Because she’s not outside of Korea bfrr???

The reason why she doesn’t act is because she has not enough talent to carry a music career be serious. Even Jihyo one of the least popular member/ can sell 500k albums Suzy would never touch half of her sales or even her streams.

Suzy isn’t not even a remained actress to act she’s above twice girls let’s alone Taeyeon who’s a top music artist, Suzy is a top celebrity but not an A list actress.

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I sometimes get why Twice gets dragged on this forum.. some of y'all onces really are delulu.. like comparing Suzy to Jihyo??! Put some respect on Suzy's name

Are you dumb

Where did I say Suzy was on the same level as Jihyo, Suzy is a big celebrity but to use Nayeon and say her last solo tanked (other digimons flopped this year but I don’t see you making a fuss whatever) meanwhile Suzy has no music career, the last song she dropped flopped so she shifted to acting because she has no potential there maybe on melon and that’s a reach, Jihyo can sell half million albums despite being at the bottom of popularity Suzy can’t with her statue b-but you’re worried about the girls when they’re doing just fine.

And you’re the only delusional person if you think Suzy is bigger than taeyeon let’s stick to the Suzy/Yoona comparaison.

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Why the hell would I care about other digimons flopping when I don't stan them

Suzy comes out on top against any SNSD member. Don't even start.

I ADORE Suzy, but don't make stupid jokes like this.🤣

My girlie didn't release an album or even an EP since 2018, only Singles and most of those are KDrama OST's.

She's no competition to Yoona or even Seohyun, let alone Taeyeon.

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There I said it. I have seen many people saying that the reason why Twice started solo promos so late is because JYPE didn't want to create another Suzy but Twice members can never be Suzy, no one can. Nobody has the same star factor as her and frankly speaking it's not easy to be become a household name like Suzy in Korea. I genuinely thought Nayeon had a chance after Pop but seeing the flop ABCD is I guess no Twice member is matching Suzy's relevance in Korea or abroad any time soon.

Twice started solo promos late cuz JYPE wanted to keep the group name stronger than their individual brands and their plan worked

Also, this is just so dumb! NO ONE can be Suzy, because there's only one Suzy! If you wanna be someone else, you already lost! Simple as that!

BTW, Suzy is not a big deal outside of Asia.

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well, there's a reason there's only one Bae Suzy lol. Like what do you expect!?

she's more known as an actor than an idol so no use in comparing her to idols who wish to continue working in music.

Suzy is boring next to Twice members. Her K-dramas are boring, her songs are boring. She is just very pretty.

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I don't claim she is a very good actress, I'm not really sure about that, but she is very enjoyable to watch in dramas and movies.

I mean, she's not on the same level as Park Eun Bin, Park Boyoung or Song Hye-kyo for example, but she's a top-notch actress for sure, especially if she gets a role like Anna!