It's not that Newjeans didn't have good stage presence; it's their songs that make them look boring on stage

  • One thing that I noticed about this group is that they're actually quite good dancers for idol standards. Nobody seems out of sync or lacking in energy. They're also one of those girl groups that, from what I've observed, exhibits pretty solid synchronization. On stage, the girls don't give off any awkward vibes; they consistently radiate happiness and genuinely enjoy their performance, especially Hanni and Danielle.


    They're just your typical HYBE group with strong dancers and performers, you know? They've got that stage presence, but the biggest problem here is their songs. It's a bit slow for a high-energy show, missing those 'wow' moments other groups effortlessly pull off. Their songs tend to be more on the chill and mellow side, and that sometimes throws off the choreography as it is not a great fit. Their choreography is actually interesting, but it becomes boring with their songs and those remixes in the background.


    In a nutshell, they might stick with the 'boring group of performers' tag as long as they roll with those chill songs. Making their discography shine on stage is a bit tricky. Not many Kpop groups go for that consistently laid-back style.


    I mean, it's most of their songs do feel like they only sing on one note. So, it feels monotone, especially on stage.

  • Oh please. This "boring group of performers" tag is a fake narrative being pushed by insecure, jealous fans of groups, who are triggered over the scale of NewJeans' many accomplishments so early into their careers.


    What they have achieved both domestically and internationally is completely unassailable, so people will find other subjective ways to attack them, accusing them of having "weak vocals" or "no stage presence", with very little to support those opinions other than "it's just my opinion lol"


    I've seen over a dozen, if not more, girl group stages in person. That list includes: Twice, BlackPink, Mamamoo, I*Zone, Itzy, fromis_9, Loona, Momoland, and yes, NewJeans.


    At no point did I ever feel disappointed by NewJeans in comparison to those other groups, and their Lollapalooza set is some of the most fun I've had at any K-Pop event I've been to. It's kind of hard to get over 70,000 people vibing to your music and singing all the lyrics, if you have no stage presence.


    For months, I saw people claiming "their music just won't hype people up in a concert or arena venue", and then I personally experienced an extremely hyped up crowd at Lolla for their entire set.


    I think we need to find a new fake narrative to attach to NewJeans in 2024.

  • Aside: Do you know how many NewJeans dance covers are all over social media? I know some random vocal minority corner of the Internet likes to crap on everything they do, but the large majority of people love their choreo. I've seen people even outside the K-Pop sphere doing NewJeans choreo.

  • Yeah they’re quite boring on stage. I’ve literally never felt the need to see them perform inspite of liking many of their songs.


    There is definitely such a thing as performance song Vs not. A song can be my fav and yet I’d never bother with it live and a song may not even make my top 10 but I love its performance.


    New jeans so far are just not a performance group.


    We should see if they offer more before they go on tour.

  • The only thing we need to wait on is more songs.


    Other than that, while you can find their stages boring, there are plenty of people who think the exact opposite. And some of those people have experienced their stages in person to validate those thoughts--yours truly being one of them.


    Lollapalooza was a massive accomplishment for a group that hadn't even turned a year yet. I can speak from personal experience that all of the people at that stage had been cooking in the sun for hours. I'm talking standing together, packed in like sardines in a can, watching people pass out from heat exhaustion, while artists with years of experience over NewJeans went through their sets.


    It wasn't a K-Pop event either; it was the second biggest music festival in the states, and the headline act for that particular stage was Billie Eilish.


    Despite all this, when NewJeans finally did take the stage, this magic happened:


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    I think it's safe to say we don't need to worry about their stage presence or ability to enthrall their audience.

  • Well, these are my opinions. You have your own as fans and as non-fans; this is my view. There's no right or wrong as this is not based on charts but purely preferences. Their choreography is easy to follow, and some of it is really catchy, but on stage, it looks weak, at least for me. I forgot to mention that what I discussed above is mostly about their dance break ( I forgot to mention it). They actually kill the move if only they pair it with more powerful songs.

  • I don’t really agree. It’s obvious to see which groups get talked about good stages and it’s never new jeans.

  • I think the bright energy super cutesy Super Shy is outside of the comfort zone for most of them, , which is more than fine with me as I don't see that becoming a staple in NewJeans style


    Honestly the whole "boring performers" thing, at least from my perspective, looks like people just ran wild after the LoL thing because they finally caught NJ to being perfect

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  • I don’t really agree. It’s obvious to see which groups get talked about good stages and it’s never new jeans.

    Ah? That's completely anecdotal and really unreliable. I have seen NewJeans get praised for their stage presence plenty of times. Literally, if anecdotal evidence is what we're using to validate our opinions, I can just go to any YT video of a NewJeans performance, and it will be nothing but comments praising their vocals, choreo and stage presence.


    Confirmation bias is a real thing.


    You can disagree, and the OP can have whatever opinion they want on their skills, but there are a lot of people who do enjoy their stages and find NewJeans talented, and that's a fact, not an opinion.

  • Ah? That's completely anecdotal and really unreliable. I have seen NewJeans get praised for their stage presence plenty of times. Literally, if anecdotal evidence is what we're using to validate our opinions, I can just go to any YT video of a NewJeans performance, and it will be nothing but comments praising their vocals, choreo and stage presence.


    Confirmation bias is a real thing.


    You can disagree, and the OP can have whatever opinion they want on their skills, but there are a lot of people who do enjoy their stages and find NewJeans talented, and that's a fact, not an opinion.

    I don’t think there are enough people and I believe that to be the truth. I feel the bias is mostly from you tbh because you actively stan them Kek.


    other than with exo where there is full bias, my views on the rest of kpop come from a pretty objective place.

  • I never understand the hype around their stage presence maybe because i'm not performing with their performance


    I always find their performance low energy and overrated


    The only performance i liked from them are the ones where they use back up dancer because it looks more lively and energic

    That's maybe why they use so often back up dancer

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  • I don’t think there are enough people and I believe that to be the truth. I feel the bias is mostly from you tbh because you actively stan them Kek.


    other than with exo where there is full bias, my views on the rest of kpop come from a pretty objective place.

    Well there is a middle ground that sits somewhere outside the echo chambers of people like me and their vocal haters, and I never see them getting critiqued for poor stage presence there.


    Lollapalooza was easily their biggest test for stage presence, and it was the best stage of their careers.


    If you want to see an example of a group failing that test, then look at aespa's Coachella stage :pepe-hehe:  SooYoung


    I may be a big NewJeans fan, but look at my ultimate favs. MAMAMOO. I have an extremely high bar for performances, especially ones I spend money on seeing in person. And I won't blindly praise anyone I fly out to see, especially if I have to force myself to tolerate being packed in with tens of thousands of people.


    NewJeans were incredibly engaging, high energy and lifted a crowd that was literally wasting away in the heat (I actually wouldn't have lasted without my hydration pack).


    They can own a stage as well as anyone in their generation, and they're still very young and will improve!

  • Imo in retrospect NJ’s lola perf feels like a non event tbh. It’s not something that was in the end memorable or worth continually talking about beyond maybe the initial hype since it was their first big performance. It’s their forgettable Lola performance that’s actually one of the reasons why it’s obvious they aren’t favored for the best performance.


    Ofc they’re not the worst performers but for being a #1 group they’re not really that great.


    SM GG rarely have great stage presence. Aespa are marginally better than RV I guess but their terrible songs and weird choreo is more of a turn off than their performance.

  • Imo in retrospect NJ’s lola perf feels like a non event tbh. It’s not something that was in the end memorable or worth continually talking about beyond maybe the initial hype since it was their first big performance. It’s their forgettable Lola performances that’s acurslt one of the reason why it’s obvious they aren’t favored for the best performance.


    Ofc they’re not the worst performers but for being a #1 group they’re not really that great.


    SM GG rarely have great stage presence. Aespa are marginally better than RV I guess but their terrible songs and weird choreo is more of a turn off than their performance.

    :pepe-hips:


    It's the second biggest musical festival in the U.S., and it was the first time NewJeans performed in the U.S. AND the first time they performed at a festival of that size. In an interview, they were very candid about their nervousness and their staff reminding them that not everyone there was necessarily fans of theirs or know their music, telling them to just focus on having fun.


    On the heels of officially securing the top selling album in the country with Get Up, and all the hype going into that performance, it's incredibly dismissive and disrespectful to say that stage was a non event.


    I guarantee you that five years from now NJ and their fans will still look back on that stage and confirm how much of a huge step it was for NJ as performers.


    I actually saw their confidence level up after Lollapalooza. Mine would too after killing it so much that the entire crowd was singing my songs.


    I think they're very strong performers who will only get better.

  • As I have said before, their songs are just to slow and boring. I mean, sure some have some nice vibes, but it will be really sleeping pills if they do 5-6 songs like that in a row on stage. I mean, Ditto, OMG, ETA and Super Shy and you will be sleeping at the floor in the middle of Super Shy

  • I disagree I think it’s easily forgotten already. If anyone makes a poll in some years on the greatest lives in kpop no one is adding new jeans Lola to that list imo.


    New jeans are a likable group with great songs and they’re boring on stage are two statements that are simultaneously true for me.


    They have time to get better songs and improve. For now they’ve not had any performance that’s truly legendary. In spite of having some of the biggest songs of not just their era but even all times.

  • I disagree with the low energy part, and obviously, their performance is not overrated since they're known as the 'boring group' on stage by Kpop fans, including you and me, which is the opposite of groups like Lsf and Itzy for example.


    They actually have really high energy on stage, as proven by their choreography. Their choreography looks easy, but it involves huge movements, with some songs having a lot of upper body-focused movement and others having a lot of lower body-focused movement. So, it's actually more tiring. Yet, they still look lively after doing it back to back with their dance break. Not everyone can pull it off. It's just that their songs don't live up to that, so they look more boring, monotone rather than energetic and hype on stage because of the vibes.

  • As I have said before, their songs are just to slow and boring. I mean, sure some have some nice vibes, but it will be really sleeping pills if they do 5-6 songs like that in a row on stage. I mean, Ditto, OMG, ETA and Super Shy and you will be sleeping at the floor in the middle of Super Shy

    Nonsense-k with this freezing cold take that has already been demonstrably proven total bullshit by multiple stages where NewJeans performed their whole Get Up album to rave reviews.


    But take the word of the Nonsense-k over someone who actually saw them perform said album in person in front of 70,000 people, if you want.


    I disagree I think it’s easily forgotten already. If anyone makes a poll in some years on the greatest lives in kpop no one is adding new jeans Lola to that list imo.


    New jeans are a likable group with great songs and they’re boring on stage are two statements that are simultaneously true for me.


    They have time to get better songs and improve. For now they’ve not had any performance that’s truly legendary. In spite of having some of the biggest songs of not just their era but even all times.

    Oh yeah? Well I disagree with your disagreement. Nobody has forgotten their Lolla stage, and any time this conversation is brought up, it's one of the first stages I see mentioned. Every time. Every platform I visit.


    I am not disputing your opinion they're boring. What can I do? Prove how you feel wrong? That's a fool's task. I'm just letting you know that it isn't a majority opinion. At all.


    The vocal minority just wants people to think that, which is why they're called the vocal minority.


    NewJeans are extremely charming and fun to watch perform for most people. Their stages always end up the most watched and rewatched at any festival they're invited to. People on AKP and that subreddit are trying REALLY hard to attach this "weak performer" label, but it isn't going to stick.


    That's a take for the terminally online.

  • I STRONGLY disagree with anyone saying they are boring on stage. Actually, their charisma, energy and choreography execution on stage are one of the reasons why they became one of my favorite groups. I watch their whole roll of promotions, what is rare for most of the groups.

    Indeed. The fact they promote every song on every album like a main track, with full stages and choreography dedicated to each one, is something that I haven't seen before NewJeans, and it hasn't been successfully replicated since their ascension.


    I'll enjoy it while it lasts, because their New Jeans, Super Shy, ETA, Cool With You, Get Up and ASAP stages are some of my favorite, especially their N-Pop stages.


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  • Indeed. The fact they promote every song on every album like a main track, with full stages and choreography dedicated to each one, is something that I haven't seen before NewJeans, and it hasn't been successfully replicated since their ascension.


    I'll enjoy it while it lasts, because their New Jeans, Super Shy, ETA, Cool With You, Get Up and ASAP stages are some of my favorite, especially their N-Pop stages.


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    I've seen on other sites people even saying they lack energy and perform lazily... I'm like WHAT? Not being into their performance style is understandable, since everyone is allowed to enjoy different things, but saying anything in contrary to the fact they are giving all the energy required on their songs and seem to enjoy every moment is just objectively untrue.

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  • I've seen on other sites people even saying they lack energy and perform lazily... I'm like WHAT? Not being into their performance style is understandable, since everyone is allowed to enjoy different things, but saying anything in contrary to the fact they are giving all the energy required on their songs and seem to enjoy every moment is just objectively untrue.

    It's just looks too much just like a number they have trained to do with too little spark and energy in it. But as you say, people like different things.

  • i think they actually have good presence but the main problem holding them back is their focus on dance. they are great dancers and have songs that are based around showing off cohesive dance moves in a way not like normal idol dancing. it doesn’t leave a lot of room for performing.


    in contrast blackpink has relatively easy choreo but it’s all framed around showing off the members so they get to go ham in these center moments. le sserafim had harder choreo but it’s move based, with flashy individual moments. new jeans dance like a dance group

  • Also, I think It's very interesting how the popularity of their "performance videos" beat their music videos consistently. It has happened with Hype Boy, OMG, Ditto and in Attention's case they basically overlap. I firmly believe It just didn't happen in Super Shy because a performance video wasn't needed since the music video serve It on It's own.

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  • I'm still not seeing these apparently glaring issues with their performance skills. They killed Lollapalooza but have no stage presence? Right after that they were the main attraction at another huge festival in Japan, Super Sonic, and they killed it again, despite the immense heat being so oppressive that Hyein nearly passed out on stage.


    Then their performance at the Blue Dragon Film Awards was so well received that they were invited to perform a second consecutive year, something only Mamamoo can also lay claim to. And the actors and actresses are historically the toughest crowd idols can perform in front of. Just ask JYP


    Meanwhile look at their enjoyment of NewJeans' stage


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    No matter how much you personally don't enjoy their stages, that's not their reputation or even close to it. People generally love their stages.

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  • IMO it’s the vocal minority aka the echo chamber that thinks they’re very good stage Kek.

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