After NewJeans,which girl group had the biggest debut and rookie year?

Fifty Fifty

Fifty Fifty's Cupid was the most impressive breakthrough in girl groups history. They even surpassed BP in international charts. That was a miracle

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Fifty Fifty's Cupid was the most impressive breakthrough in girl groups history. They even surpassed BP in international charts. That was a miracle

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Fifty Fifty

But Cupid wasn't their debut song

(Edit: You meant their rookie year, i got it... Sorry for correcting you, I misunderstood)

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They left how they entered. With a bang.

unfortunately, parents' greediness did not let them to develop a further success. I assume FF will remain in kpop history as the one-hit-wonder.

I’ll add QWER. I expected these kind of numbers for KISSOFLIFE but it didn’t happen.

Top 3 on YouTube daily chart South Korea

Broke into Melon Daily and looks to be rising fast. #82

Was in Top 10 most searched girl groups in Melon for November. At #7 I believe

EDIT: Nvm I thought you meant AFTER newjeans as in after 2022 who had a big debut year. Anyway carry on.

Blackpink imo

Who wants a hit thread now

I think you already made a thread like this and I said New Jeans didn’t break boundaries or something and said BP and EXO were more impressive and it went on for some 393929494993 pages.

Let’s not recycle now Yama

I want new drama

2. Fifty-Fifty

3. BP

How is nobody saying MissA? Twice did well too but MissA had a stellar first year

SNSD had Into the new World

Twice had Like ooh-aah, Cheer up and TT

Blackpink Whistle, Boombayah, Playing with Fire and As if it's Your Last

IVE had Eleven, Love dive and After like

FiftyFifty had Cupid

Babymonster -

All were major hits in South Korea except Boombayah and Cupid (which were hits, just not on the same level) but they did extremely well internationally

Just in korea

Debut year : Twice

Debut song : 2NE1 and Miss A

In global

Debut year and debut song : BP then Twice

But overall i will pick Twice

My honest opinion is that Twice had the biggest 1st year in kpop history with cheer up being one of biggest kpop groups hits on korea in the last 10 years (only behind spring day and boy with love) and TT being the 2nd biggest hit from kpop on japan (only behind dynamite), no rookie can ever dream of that outside twice. Newjeans outside spotify numbers driven by paid playlisting and the charts that depend on such paid streams haven't done anything special, like their youtube numbers are low asf, I am more impresses by blackpink having two videos hit 1 billion views from their rookie years than anything newjeans have done.

My ranking is:

Twice

Blackpink

Newjeans

Ive

In their debut year Ive got the top 2 longest charting gg songs on melon, paks for both love dive and after like, the highest uls peak for 4th gen, 4 soty daesangs + rotys and aotys, sold 1m with a single, and the highest entry on international charts out of 4th gen and only behind bp for ggs

I'll let these facts speak for itself

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Your logic and criteria are both atrociously horrendous, but thank you for your participation.

We are all enlightened now that we can see NewJeans is the first group in history to have their company invest time and money into them

LMAO @ that last IVE stat. I was lurking when you found out about that. Are you going to include that in all IVE brag posts going forward?

But I agree. They have the most impressive debut and rookie year.

If it wasn't for those meddling bunnies suddenly popping out their rabbit hole with no announcement, most of the meaningful records would belong to IVE

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No company has invested as much money in playlisting for a rookie group like hybe, that's just pure facts

int Blackpink
and SK Wonder Girls was bigger than NJ

I would say Miss A, but that's because I'm old enough to remember it lol

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I always find it funny when this stale drag always leads back to big 3 company stans bragging about their company being worse at managing money and resources

Well that certainly is one of the most opinions of all time

ask koreans and I can assure you at least they will agree more than anyone in this list
Tell Me is considered the hit who put the idols back to the industry
idk how they are not in your list when they humiliated SNSD

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I always find it funny when this stale drag always leads back to big 3 company stans bragging about their company being worse at managing money and resources

Well that certainly is one of the most opinions of all time

Well nobody in big 3 had a senior group like bts making hundreds of millions so their company can invest several of those millions into spotify playlisting

3rd day

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Well nobody in big 3 had a senior group like bts making hundreds of millions so their company can invest several of those millions into spotify playlisting

on day 3, "Attention" had only 1.8M playlists while "BATTER UP" had 25M playlists

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What??? They're definitely on my list though?

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You accused someone of doing mental gymnastics in another thread. You must have been able to utilizing your obvious experience as a gold medalist in mental gymnastics to make that assessment

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Newjeans having the bts privilege and their millions to promote is a hard fact my friend, and even with all that their first year is less impressive

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I know, right? PayolaJeans stay rigging the game in their favor. How else can these groups from destitute, penniless companies, like YG and JYP, hope to ever compete when they have such meager resources and limited industry connections?

It's just not fair how NewJeans keep getting away with this

Biggest #1 song in Melon history, most PAK hours, 66 consecutive weeks in Melon Top 10, fastest group to 1 billion streams on Melon, 167 cumulative weeks in Melon Weekly top 10, 5 songs on the Billboard Hot 100--ANYONE could do those things if they paid the gatekeepers of music success enough money.

You right.

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korean charts of today are like scoring goals in the saudi football league so these achievements mean almost nothing but believing newjeans have the biggest song in melon history is insane, get some help yama

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Your logic and criteria are both atrociously horrendous, but thank you for your participation.

We are all enlightened now that we can see NewJeans is the first group in history to have their company invest time and money into them

LMAO @ that last IVE stat. I was lurking when you found out about that. Are you going to include that in all IVE brag posts going forward?

But I agree. They have the most impressive debut and rookie year.

If it wasn't for those meddling bunnies suddenly popping out their rabbit hole with no announcement, most of the meaningful records would belong to IVE

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It's true though? You asked first year, and IVE, in their first year, did set some international records without any effort from starship

Besides for biggest week for debut on spotify only babymonster broke the record now

It's worth remembering that ive did that without going viral on tiktok, without big playlisting, without any articles hyping them. In fact to this day western magazines still pretend they dont exist, they'll include anything from xg to kep1er but refuse to mention ive

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It's true though? You asked first year, and IVE, in their first year, did set some international records without any effort from starship

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Besides for biggest week for debut on spotify only babymonster broke the record now

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From what performance is yujin gif in your profile avatar from?

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From what performance is yujin gif in your profile avatar from?

here!

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My brother in Christ. Ditto was #1 on every chart in Korea for over 3 straight months, breaking a record set by BTS. And the songs in #2 and #3 were also NJ songs. Lmao. Nobody TODAY has come close to doing that, but keep writing it off based on era.

I better see you reppin Seo Taiji and the Boys from now on. They didn't have a Hallyu Wave, the rapid globalization of K-Pop or even social media during their legendary run. Twice's achievements mean nothing compared to that.

I said I picked IVE. What are you trying to prove to me?

Just felt like doing it 💅

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My brother in Christ. Ditto was #1 on every chart in Korea for over 3 straight months, breaking a record set by BTS. And the songs in #2 and #3 were also NJ songs. Lmao. Nobody TODAY has come close to doing that, but keep writing it off based on era.

I better see you reppin Seo Taiji and the Boys from now on. They didn't have a Hallyu Wave, the rapid globalization of K-Pop or even social media during their legendary run. Twice's achievements mean nothing compared to that.

I said I picked IVE. What are you trying to prove to me?

Mate let my try to explain it to you like this:

2015-2019 charts: premier league

2020-2022 charts: premier league second division

2023 charts: saudi league

scoring 100 goals in the saudi league means nothing, just like ditto doing all that and barely making numbers of a normal hit from 2018 charts, you are just fucking delusional

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Mate let my try to explain it to you like this:

2015-2019 charts: premier league

2020-2022 charts: premier league second division

2023 charts: saudi league

scoring 100 goals in the saudi league means nothing, just like ditto doing all that and barely making numbers of a normal hit from 2018 charts, you are just fucking delusional

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just facts friend, ditto doing 747M of points in 11 months and it wouldn't make 2018 top 15 on gaon, wake uuuuuuuuuppp

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just facts friend, ditto doing 747M of points in 11 months and it wouldn't make 2018 top 15 on gaon, wake uuuuuuuuuppp

This is because user base in sokor is split across many services and not just melon now. Some of which aren’t even tracked by Gaon. It’s not just “one” song that’s been going down it’s the whole platform.

Do you just think South Korea in its entirety stopped listening to music or something 💀

It’s the other way round if ditto was released in 2016 it would have probably gotten some staggering metrics.