Bp renewal contract issues might make most companies to control their gg individual popularity more

lol frequent comeback they dont even have that

The invidual poplarity is mostly always overrated, it decreases fast after they leave a group or a group is disbande. So a lot of the members mostly benefit to keep the group going.

SM is doing that with their Boygroups since ever

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I will take Twice as the comparison. While for Twice, the members didn't have any chance to do a lot of individual gigs during their first contract so it's make sense for them to renewing their contract and asking for it. And idk but the company also might easily convince them to renew their contract because the girls never see their full individual potential which why they might still thinking they need their company.

Err... No, most people assumed 2-3 members werent going to renew.

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The invidual poplarity is mostly always overrated, it decreases fast after they leave a group or a group is disbande. So a lot of the members mostly benefit to keep the group going.

agreed. Is there a popular group that disbanded whose members are all popular? 1d was really popular and gp only knows who harry and zayn are, especially harry. Spice girls were extremely popular too but their solo careers didn't do well. Etc etc

I'm not saying this will happen to bp, i cannot see future lol. In case they disbanded, maybe they'll be the exception

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agreed. Is there a popular group that disbanded whose members are all popular? 1d was really popular and gp only knows who harry and zayn are, especially harry. Spice girls were extremely popular too but their solo careers didn't do well. Etc etc

I'm not saying this will happen to bp, i cannot see future lol. In case they disbanded, maybe they'll be the exception

Maybe Destiny's Child?

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Maybe Destiny's Child?

We allways have some exceptions of cource, like with Beyonce and a couple of others.

But if you look at kpop, many disappears into the shadows pretty fast, even if they try to stay in the business. The ones that do best are often the ones that switch over to acting, like Suzy ( Miss A), some of the former Girls' Generations girls for an example. But they are not at the same fame level as when they was hot active members in their former groups. Lisa in BP maybe can do well, but she is not korean so that maybe can be a problem in SK.

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Maybe Destiny's Child?

Maybe in the US and west. In my country people only know who Beyonce is

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The invidual poplarity is mostly always overrated, it decreases fast after they leave a group or a group is disbande. So a lot of the members mostly benefit to keep the group going.

Exactly. Just look at Jennies recent stuff. What did it actually amount to without the BP branding behind it? A fat load of nothing.

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We allways have some exceptions of cource, like with Beyonce and a couple of others.

But if you look at kpop, many disappears into the shadows pretty fast, even if they try to stay in the business. The ones that do best are often the ones that switch over to acting, like Suzy ( Miss A), some of the former Girls' Generations girls for an example. But they are not at the same fame level as when they was hot active members in their former groups. Lisa in BP maybe can do well, but she is not korean so that maybe can be a problem in SK.

As someone who don't stan bp and is neutral about the girls i think that lisa is most gp appealing; well, everywhere but in SK. There's just something about her. She's also a great, consistent performer.

Let me go back to spice girls. Their solo careers didn't do really well but when they announced reunion concerts the tickets sold out fast. It's their personalities and dynamics people want to see. There's only one spice girls but there are gazillion soloists that are also better than them. Geri left the group and soon got reality check.

Popular groups are strongest as a group.

That individual popularity is what made them the biggest kpop group.

They are a group of social media influences, that makes a ton of money.

other companies are trying to replicate that.

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We allways have some exceptions of cource, like with Beyonce and a couple of others.

But if you look at kpop, many disappears into the shadows pretty fast, even if they try to stay in the business. The ones that do best are often the ones that switch over to acting, like Suzy ( Miss A), some of the former Girls' Generations girls for an example. But they are not at the same fame level as when they was hot active members in their former groups. Lisa in BP maybe can do well, but she is not korean so that maybe can be a problem in SK.

Taeyeon and Jessica are doing great without focusing on acting

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Maybe in the US and west. In my country people only know who Beyonce is

I just wanted to talk about Beyoncé tbh

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I just wanted to talk about Beyoncé tbh

I bet that younger kids or teens here don't even know she was in a group

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I bet that younger kids or teens here don't even know she was in a group

If their parent don't tell them then they're flop

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I bet they see gifs and think the other two are backup dancers

This is the most likely scenario

Or backup singers, that works too

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Taeyeon and Jessica are doing great without focusing on acting

Taeyeon is doing okay yes, it was always obvious she would have a good chance as solo artist with her voice and status of the group. Jessica? is she still alive?

All the Girls' Generation members also benefits from the fact that the group is still not yet disbanded and do stuff now and then to keep the group in peoples minds. Pretty sure that is one of the reasons the group have offically have not disbanded

yet, it benefits all of them to have the brand going and back up their solo stuff.

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Blackpink have really huge individual popularity that they didn't need yg anymore. For these few years, their main activities mostly coming from outside not from yg anymore. Blackpink name and brand definitely bigger than yg. They're all also already become an ambassador for popular brands and have huge following in media social.

Seeing how expensive their contract renewal offers, do you think other companies will start to take notice on this and control their gg individual activities more to make sure they are not bigger than the company itself? Blackpink didn't lose anything, but yg will. They already built their name and individual popularity.

I will take Twice as the comparison. While for Twice, the members didn't have any chance to do a lot of individual gigs during their first contract so it's make sense for them to renewing their contract and asking for it. And idk but the company also might easily convince them to renew their contract because the girls never see their full individual potential which why they might still thinking they need their company.

But for Bp, they have it all already. At this point of their careers, I don't think the girls want YG to give them frequent cb or something like that. I believe they will focus more on their individuality more. But they already have that. This is why I think that many companies will start to control their gg more to avoid this.

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In Twice's case, even without strong individual popularity they still had the upper hand with the renewal, and just looking at JYPE's PM, it is clear that Twice won in the end.

So I don't think the company controlling their ggs more will do much to prevent them from leaving because as long as the group is successful, they will have the advantage.

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Maybe Destiny's Child?

I literally can't think of a better example of a group where people only know one member after they've disbanded. Shit, even the Jackson 5 members who aren't Michael have better name recognition.

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Blackpink have really huge individual popularity that they didn't need yg anymore. For these few years, their main activities mostly coming from outside not from yg anymore. Blackpink name and brand definitely bigger than yg. They're all also already become an ambassador for popular brands and have huge following in media social.

Seeing how expensive their contract renewal offers, do you think other companies will start to take notice on this and control their gg individual activities more to make sure they are not bigger than the company itself? Blackpink didn't lose anything, but yg will. They already built their name and individual popularity.

I will take Twice as the comparison. While for Twice, the members didn't have any chance to do a lot of individual gigs during their first contract so it's make sense for them to renewing their contract and asking for it. And idk but the company also might easily convince them to renew their contract because the girls never see their full individual potential which why they might still thinking they need their company.

But for Bp, they have it all already. At this point of their careers, I don't think the girls want YG to give them frequent cb or something like that. I believe they will focus more on their individuality more. But they already have that. This is why I think that many companies will start to control their gg more to avoid this.

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let see.

this problem was an issue before BP. I think you are very new to Kpop. Twice individuality was pushed back because JYP lost his main GG back when Miss A. Suzy became too popular and JYP said he couldn´t let that happen again. Also Suzy wasn´t too close with her members. I think JYP tried not to make the same mistake. So he got sure the members were close, and wouldn´t let any of them stand out too much.

Second, the YG group is known to have deep conections with the LVMH. Back with the Seungry scandal, the Burning sun case and all, the group had invested money on YG. And their contrat would break if there were any scandall, so LVMH left YG and also YG had to paid millions back. Yet the stayed with a friendly relationship. That friendship was the reason why BP had first spot on many fashion brands. Cos if LVMH does not have their hands on the brand they have the connections. So if you think YG didn´t gain anything with those fashion deals. YG gets a cut on everything BP does.

Also YG lost Big Bang, we all know the power name on the company is BP, even if Treasure is doing well. They don´t have BP international reputation. IF you think a company is so ready to let go a golden group just because they "became too big"...nah, delulu

And for those how are so eager for BP to change agency, i understand, but how many times we see popular idols go to nugu companies that are not able or willing to do shit after they got the deal. There are too many scammers arround also. Big 4 companies don´t steal groups from each other.

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I literally can't think of a better example of a group where people only know one member after they've disbanded. Shit, even the Jackson 5 members who aren't Michael have better name recognition.

Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams both have had incredibly successful solo careers.

Are they not beyonce? Yeah sure. Hard to match up to someone that big, but they're nowhere close to the not Michael members of the Jackson 5.

Michelle has outsold all of them. And she's in Gospel.

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Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams both have had incredibly successful solo careers.

Are they not beyonce? Yeah sure. Hard to match up to someone that big, but they're nowhere close to the not Michael members of the Jackson 5.

Michelle has outsold all of them. And she's in Gospel.

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If you say so.

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Nowhere did I say she was still incredibly popular, I said she had a successful solo career.

Bringing up shit almost a decade after it doesn't undo my point.

You gonna drop those Jackson 5 solo albums to actually undermine my point or you gonna keep acting like a jackass?

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Nowhere did I say she was still incredibly popular, I said she had a successful solo career.

Bringing up shit almost a decade after it doesn't undo my point.

You gonna drop those Jackson 5 solo albums to actually undermine my point or you gonna keep acting like a jackass?

Honey, people mistaking her for someone more well-known in 2019 was not almost a decade ago. Please learn how to math, because your math isn't mathing. I'm not going to look up her album sales, because I have better things to do with my time than look up a nobody's gospel albums, but after reading this I'm not exactly sure you even calculated those figures correctly.

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Honey, people mistaking her for someone more well-known in 2019 was not almost a decade ago. Please learn how to math, because your math isn't mathing. I'm not going to look up her album sales, because I have better things to do with my time than look up a nobody's gospel albums, but after reading this I'm not exactly sure you even calculated those figures correctly.

What you need to do is go back and learn grammar. I said "a Decade AFTER" As in a DECADE AFTER THE PEAK OF HER CAREER.

Don't "Math" if you aren't smart enough to read properly. Get hooked on some phonics before you try talking shit.

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What you need to do is go back and learn grammar. I said "a Decade AFTER" As in a DECADE AFTER THE PEAK OF HER CAREER.

Don't "Math" if you aren't smart enough to read properly. Get hooked on some phonics before you try talking shit.

Destiny's Child disbanded in 2006. That was 17 years ago. 17 years is not a decade. I'll get "hooked on some phonics" just as soon as you get a math tutor.

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Destiny's Child disbanded in 2006. That was 17 years ago. 17 years is not a decade. I'll get "hooked on some phonics" just as soon as you get a math tutor.

You're trying your damn hardest to try to play the "I'm not wrong card" when it's clear you can't even parse what I am saying.

I in no way am talking about 2023. I don't care about current year. I pointed out that she had a successful solo career, you pulled up an unrelared tweet well after that solo career's peak and have been trying to act like I don't know time cause I mentioned the tweet well after the time doesn't impact the success of the time.

I don't even know why I'm humoring all your bullshit when it's just a deflection from the fact that you didn't know that she was successful and are trying to be twitter cunty to save face.

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You're trying your damn hardest to try to play the "I'm not wrong card" when it's clear you can't even parse what I am saying.

I in no way am talking about 2023. I don't care about current year. I pointed out that she had a successful solo career, you pulled up an unrelared tweet well after that solo career's peak and have been trying to act like I don't know time cause I mentioned the tweet well after the time doesn't impact the success of the time.

I don't even know why I'm humoring all your bullshit when it's just a deflection from the fact that you didn't know that she was successful and are trying to be twitter cunty to save face.

Well you're right about one (and only one) thing: I didn't know she was successful. No one knew she was successful. Because she wasn't successful. As for the rest of your incoherent blathering, say what you mean, and say it clearly. That way I won't feel like I'm trying to crack some sort of code every time you post. You're a poster on an Internet forum, not the damn Riddler.

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Well you're right about one (and only one) thing: I didn't know she was successful. No one knew she was successful. Because she wasn't successful. As for the rest of your incoherent blathering, say what you mean, and say it clearly. That way I won't feel like I'm trying to crack some sort of code every time you post. You're a poster on an Internet forum, not the damn Riddler.

I'm both not the person who brought up her being successful and also not the only person who agreed with that statement here.

And you straight up said you weren't going to look up numbers, so all you're going off of is vibes... which means nothing.

By vibes I could say the only reason drake is successful is cause the people secretly all adore the degrassi, but I can't factually prove that.

And beyond that, I'm just gonna assume your dumb, cause I wasn't even being remotely cryptic. Shit's easy to understand.

Or is "twitter cunty" too esoteric for some who uses "The math isn't mathing"

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I'm both not the person who brought up her being successful and also not the only person who agreed with that statement here.

And you straight up said you weren't going to look up numbers, so all you're going off of is vibes... which means nothing.

By vibes I could say the only reason drake is successful is cause the people secretly all adore the degrassi, but I can't factually prove that.

And beyond that, I'm just gonna assume your dumb, cause I wasn't even being remotely cryptic. Shit's easy to understand.

Or is "twitter cunty" too esoteric for some who uses "The math isn't mathing"

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"Your dumb"

Lulz

Anyway, since you're so persistent, I went and looked up the numbers just for you. Drumroll please...

She's sold less than a million albums. With four whole solo albums, the last one being released 9 years ago.

Blackpink is a unicorn so idk why people try to apply regular K-pop rules to them they generally don’t apply

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Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams both have had incredibly successful solo careers.

Are they not beyonce? Yeah sure. Hard to match up to someone that big, but they're nowhere close to the not Michael members of the Jackson 5.

Michelle has outsold all of them. And she's in Gospel.

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Everything is relative. I would not call Kelly Rowland "incredibley successful" as a solo artist if you compared to what Destiny's Child achieved. Some success I would call it.

And overall, Destiny's Child members had a high standard on all three members when it comes to the singing compared to most kpop groups, so it's not really a good comparsion when judging how high chance the members of a kpop group have be successful solo artists.

Of cource every popular member with good voices have a chance to establish themself as solo artist, nothing is impossible and some will always succeed. But it's also a bit of luck and to have good song.

If we return to the original queastion if companies will try to controll the members popularity more, I would say no, because a groups popularity depends a lot of their members being popular at least for a big part of the kpop fans. So trying to "controll it" would work against the companies intrest to make the group popular. Maybe they could try to balance the popularity a bit more, members that get a bit "too popular" could get less promotion and members that are less popular could get a bit of extra boost to keep the balance in the group. Sometimes it feels like Twice work like that, but not sure if it's just my imagination.

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Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams both have had incredibly successful solo careers.

Are they not beyonce? Yeah sure. Hard to match up to someone that big, but they're nowhere close to the not Michael members of the Jackson 5.

Michelle has outsold all of them. And she's in Gospel.

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this is obviously american centric view. random 15 yo person in korea or montenegro has no idea who michelle is. gospell is american music. commander here was a great hit so people might know kelly's voice but don't know who's the singer

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this is obviously american centric view

Talking about American singers - "this is obviously an american centric view".

This fucking forum sometimes, swear to god.

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Talking about American singers - "this is obviously an american centric view".

This fucking forum sometimes, swear to god.

I think you didn't know that american singers are popular all over the world. English is a global language and people listen to music in that language. You didn't know but now you do.