talent wise: Who will win kingdom?

I didn't come here to read all this shade

I didnt understand nothing about your op

But skz or atz because im biased

I don't know....I want ateez to win, or stray kids.

Barring Mnet favoritism, all have similar chances to win. They all talented groups.

The actual criteria is to be Mnet favorite child , that's already one step unto victory

Not sure but good luck to all of them!

IMO

Rap: SKZ > iKon > ATEEZ > BTOB > The Boyz > SF9

Vocals: BTOB > iKon > ATEEZ > The Boyz > SKZ > SF9

DANCE: ATEEZ > The Boyz > SKZ > SF9 > BTOB > iKon

Overall: ATEEZ > TBZ > SKZ > iKon > BTOB > SF9

Why am I the only vote for ATEEZ??

If a huge portion of deciding criteria is given to the participating groups themselves like RTK, then those who put out more dynamic and iconic performance would win. If it is more based on popularity and voting then the popular dedicated fandoms will get it for their faves.

I personally think that TBZ, SKZ and IKON may win, they all had very dynamic stages in intro but we dont know who may surprise us, Ateez and SF9 are very talented too and can deliver way more than what we say, BTOB may end up mesmerizing everyone with thier emo ballads or a surprise dance focused performance...

All groups are known for their talents so we cannot know

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All groups are known for their talents so we cannot know

Exactly

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I think a lot of people are underestimating SF9. When they pull something like this again then what?

This wheel dance will forever remain iconic...

Also not everyone forgetting that technically, Q and Taeyang are the best dancers in this competition..

Did you say something about BtoB not singing live? I can't make out whatever nonsense you're saying

I think they all have a good shot

BtoB are vocal royalty and more creative than people give them credit for

Sf9 is the dark horse. They're a bit underestimated I think but that will likely change once people see what they can do

Ikon is the group I'm most interested in because they aren't really known for the kinds of performances the others are

The Boyz, Ateez, and Skz are of course the heavy favorites and for good reason

For mindblowing perfromance no one stand a chance against ateez

who cares skz winners

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I don't get the op and what you're trying to say.

I think all participants are there for good reason and have their strong performance points, with some that is rap, with some vocals, with some dance and of course there is the way they are able to put on a good performance.

I saw some posts here rating the groups based on their rap, dance and singing skills. I wouldn't dare to do so, because this is purely subjective. Especially because most of us don't know all the groups that well, we mostly know one, two or maybe three groups a bit better and know more of what they are capable of. I do know all the groups, but I don’t know all of them equally well.

Tbz are my favorite, so i know about them the most and i can speak about them.

I know that the way they manage to engage the audience with their performance and do totally unexpected turns is quite amazing. Also how they can smoothly present some really difficult moves and make them look easy. How they can connect the whole performance so fluidly and make a story out of it.

About their dance-vocals-rap:

- Dance-wise - so there is 11 members and dance-wise (skill wise) i feel like from what i've seen, they are one of the most skilled dancers in kpop. I think the good dancer is the once that pulls off difficult moves, but makes it looks easy.

- Vocal-wise - they are also very good, their vocal line can easily sing harmonies. Their vocals are so underrated and i hope they showcase them more at Kingdom (they said that's one of te things they would like to show).

- Rap-wise - again there is 11 members and there are two rappers. Sunwoo is super good and my favorite idol rapper. Not to mention he can also dance and sing very well. So since the group is more vocal based (also their songs are like that) Sunwoo and Eric are more than enough for rap parts. Other members can also rap some parts if it's needed for the song. But Sunwoo is really skilled rapper (it's one of 11 members, but it's enough).

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I love reading your long comments for some reason. Probably because you're always so nice and positive

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although we know it's not about talent bcause mmmoo won and theyre not even singing live so where's the tea honey

but lets say mnet is fair for once and they choose talent as the winner, who?

me thought, skz or btob last place coz the only advantage skz have is their song writing and raps, their dance need a lots of work. They need to do strength training, it's so obvious that theyre quite weak when it comes to dancing.

btob because they sing (not live).

me thought, tbz or ateez winner.

idk about ateez tbh, saw them and thought that they had advantage compare to other but tbz is literally performance king, they are as good as group like astro. ( which astro would stomp this competition)

tbh, idk what is the actual criteria to win this . Maybe they look at it performance wise like the song composition and all that so talent might matter less if the performance still good meaning it have good composition that highlight their strength but btob idk.

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damn op why are you so shady

also what advantage does ateez have that the others dont?

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IMO

Rap: SKZ > iKon > ATEEZ > BTOB > The Boyz > SF9

Vocals: BTOB > iKon > ATEEZ > The Boyz > SKZ > SF9

DANCE: ATEEZ > The Boyz > SKZ > SF9 > BTOB > iKon

Overall: ATEEZ > TBZ > SKZ > iKon > BTOB > SF9

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such a sexc ranking

the only thing i disagree with is the dance category i think its TBZ>ATEEZ=SKZ>SF9>BTOB=iKon

All the shade in the op...

But anyways, I think it's going to be incredibly close among all the groups. As far as expectations, I think everybody is expecting to be mind blown between SK, Ateez, and TBZ's crazy performances.

It's definitely going to be super hype