How will y'all feel about a "best Asian album/song " categories at the Grammys?
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BP isn't nearly there yet, but for BTS: Why can't they compete in the main categories? I get the whole Asian category, but I don't think it's fair to restrict them to that if they are just as big as other contenders for the main categories. Just because they happen to be Korean doesn't mean they can't win the bigger categories, especially because they deserve.
Creating a separate category is just a slap on the wrist and equivalent to 'here's a category we made up just for you so kpop fans can be pleased and shut up about it'...
P.S Hardy can you gimme 450 akorns pretty please
For sure bp isn't there, they just getting started
Regarding bts I do think 7 was? Is? Going to be nominated at billboard awards or Amas & stuff based on its sales alone
The critically acclaimed awards like Grammys will rightfully prefer their home grown acts to foreign ones no matter how popular that foreign act is in that country
Bts should definitely be awarded in sales based awards since they do go toe to toe with those chart heavyweights on the billboard
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sure why not?
and why not a European category or African category or whatever as well
There's world music & an afro beats album won the category this year
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It will never happen, even latin music is looked down... the u.s has a huge % of latin descendant people and seems to be overall way more popular than kpop, yet they get a separated category
It's cause they're not singing in English ig
Pretty sure bad bunny will be nominated for billboard since his 2 albums performed well
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At this point I would be okay with it
It's pretty much known to be a western-centric "local" award show
I don't know how they would go about comparing albums in different languages especially for albums with rap in it
They would be extremely unlikely to win against English language music
If an Asian category ever happens they would need to consider more than just Korean artists, or East Asian artists, even if they just end up giving it to a kpop group because of their popularity
It would be tricky and controversial
There's no point having that category to only include kpop groups that have US visibility
Agreed & I don't see anything wrong with that
Since Grammys are allegedly about critical acclaim, they should award the category based on that aswell
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For sure bp isn't there, they just getting started
Regarding bts I do think 7 was? Is? Going to be nominated at billboard awards or Amas & stuff based on its sales alone
The critically acclaimed awards like Grammys will rightfully prefer their home grown acts to foreign ones no matter how popular that foreign act is in that country
Bts should definitely be awarded in sales based awards since they do go toe to toe with those chart heavyweights on the billboard
yeah agreed, which makes it even more unfair to have a separate category like that bc it's just saying we don't care, if you're not american, then you're not winning big
not only sales but bts has impact, charting, streams, quality, literally everything that would justify a win so to make a whole "asian" category is also stupid bc who else would even win that?? probably wouldn't be as special
also u ignored my akorn request ): ): ):
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Agreed & I don't see anything wrong with that
Since Grammys are allegedly about critical acclaim, they should award the category based on that aswell
Might as well make a pop band category for bands that just sing or sing and dance
There are many of them out there
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I'm pretty sure kpop does qualify in global/world music categories since iirc those are usually catchall categories. It's the fact that the Grammys don't take boy bands/girl groups that seriously. Even if they added categories centered around Asia, it'd probably still leave kpop/jpop/cpop out for the most part.
It doesn't fit neatly into the World Music cat. The genre's music sensiblities spill outside of it.
I like how "Best Global Pop Album/Song" sounds.
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Cause the voters are probably english idk but I don't find it completely wrong
I don't see Taylor swift winning daesangs over in Korea
Bts got a hit song that made waves + their albums sell well so they should be awarded for that
But when it comes to stuff like the Grammys I don't find it inherently sinister to gatekeeper the main awards to their homegrown acts that sing specifically in English
If it's a global award, I can see a western artist winning in Korea. If I'm not mistaken, it has happened before, although western artists probably don't really care. The support for western artists is huge. Many Koreans like English-language music and don't care about K-pop as much as we'd like to believe.
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Wouldn’t mind an entire Asian ceremony like the Latin Grammys. They should make the base of the Trophy blue , and even if they did make a Asian language category don’t expect to see kpop in there tbh.
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The majority of the people on the Grammy Committee speaks English so that’s why it’s important to have English music to get recognized.. due to just the sheer amount of music that’s released per year and the amount of submissions it’s easy for a non English act to get lost in the sauce.
Plus with understanding the language the songwriter and complexity of the lyrics are more easily recognized as a GOOOD translation may be difficult to get as basic subtitles or trans on genius just doesn’t cut it.. especially for acts like BTS/Rosaliá (which is probably why she was snubbed for AOTY at the regular Grammys but swept the Latin Grammys) even though she won best Latin Album at the regular Grammys and was able to snag a BNA nom as well.
Also the homegrown act is slightly irrelevant, if the music is good/hit and English is good because a good majority of the artist who win/sweep the Grammys are British/Canadian and not American.
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to grammys, boy groups and girl groups are not taken seriously. It has always been like that
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Asia is so diverse. How can you put Indian music and Korean music and Indonesian music in one category, when they're so different from each other. Seems equally pointless. Maybe if they said Asia Pacific, that'd make more sense?
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Latin America is united by one language
Asia isn’t
And it’s offensive you pile the billions and billions of Asians into one small category so your oppas can fit
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Compete with the big boys or don’t bother at all.
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to grammys, boy groups and girl groups are not taken seriously. It has always been like that
This is more important than people realize. Nsync, Backstreet Boys, and One Direction never won grammys even when they were the best-charting, biggest-selling, most famous groups in the world at the time.
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Wouldn’t mind an entire Asian ceremony like the Latin Grammys. They should make the base of the Trophy blue , and even if they did make a Asian language category don’t expect to see kpop in there tbh.
I'm not sure they'd need an entire ceremony or their own Academy like the Latin Grammys; the Latin Grammys have 53 categories, most of which parallel the main Grammy categories.
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I suppose it depends on what you’re trying to achieve. Those types of categories tend to get shoved off to the side in very small boxes. Although hip hop dominates in modern American pop music, it is continually pushed into its hip hop box and even amazing records like To Pimp A Butterfly and Alright couldn’t crack the big awards despite massive critical acclaim. The majority of the hip hop, Latin and R&B awards occur off camera, unless it’s Beyoncé, despite the fact the genres dominate pop music - even the music by white pop and rock artists reflect elements of these genres.
Additionally artists get restricted by the categories - if you make r&b or hip hop outside a specific lane, they don’t know where to categorize you and won’t nominate you (this is a discussion around The Weeknd’s lack of nomination, as the most recent example of this) and they keep trying to make all kinds of different categories to cover it. (WTF is melodic rap as a category?)
So (if you made it this far), is that good enough for Kpop? To be considered but not be a legitimate contender for the big awards and to win the awards off camera except when they want a performance to juice the ratings?
EDITED TO ADD: also is this a pan-Asian category or just Kpop? Because that’s a lot of different languages and styles, how do you even define the category?
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