So Newjeans/Le sserafim already surpassed Ive in everything. What went wrong with Ive?

Money speaks dude, Hybe is simply bigger.

just another dumb bait thread inviting people to dunk on nj and lesserafim, par for the course from op. moving along nothing to see here 😴

although lesserafim seems to be doing much better than expected they're really the dark horse in this race

I think
Newjeans and LSF had bigger fandom power
to have continue mass streaming ?

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I think
Newjeans and LSF had bigger fandom power
to have continue mass streaming ?

IVE had a bigger core fan in KR.

LSF has a bigger core fan in JP, LSF is not really strong on melon compared to IVE or NJ, but they have the biggest sales in JP.

there is no way NJ has a bigger core fan than IVE in KR(currently), but NJ may have more casual fan.

NMixx is already a million seller? Wow. I hope their b-sides are good.

About IVE, let them comeback first. With proper album. I’m sure they will surprise you.

Lol. Are we already dissing on IVE?

Damn, time goes fast in 4th gen

Yet they're nowhere near IVE if we're talking about music show wins:

IVE – 37 wins

NewJeans – 17 wins

Le Sserafim – 9 wins

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Yet they're nowhere near IVE if we're talking about music show wins:

IVE – 37 wins

NewJeans – 17 wins

Le Sserafim – 9 wins

Don't forget the Daesang sweep

Ive got bigger reverse marketing budget

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Yet they're nowhere near IVE if we're talking about music show wins:

IVE – 37 wins

NewJeans – 17 wins

Le Sserafim – 9 wins

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Don't forget the Daesang sweep

I promised myself I wouldnt give clout to these clowns but they havent beat IVE ULs peak either, neither did any other gg last year

kakao privilege is over???

obviously kakao is fighting Hybe/SM now so IVE no longer have the kakao privilege!!!

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NMixx is already a million seller? Wow. I hope their b-sides are good.

I dont know op

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kakao privilege is over???

obviously kakao is fighting Hybe/SM now so IVE no longer have the kakao privilege!!!

True. I'm not really impressed by Kakao privilege anymore. Stayc was around #70 on melon for 5 days, then magically rose up to #3 but still cant beat NJ, who are on #1 and #2. Same like Ive with their last single, as even with Kakao privilege, they still only peaked at #3, behind NJ on #1 and #2.

Easy.

Ive has unknown members to the general public: Gaeun, Rei, Leeseo [yes, nowadays no one cares about leeseo, even Gaeul is more popular]

Yujin lives in the shadow of Wonyoung, I feel really bad for her, she never stood a chance. She keeps getting overlooked.

Wonyoung’s fake personality finally got to her and is hated by everyone, even the fans. She is popular though, no one will take that away from her, but her actions might have driven some of her fans away.

Liz does not make an effort to lose weight, hence she isn’t a visual anymore and can’t sing the chorus, that takes her to less screen time. She was my bias in Eleven, I was obsessed With her natural elegant doll-like look and that quickly faded in Love Dive when all the members showed improvement except for her and Wonyoung.

NWJNS still feels fresh, idk how to explain it, but they are special, kinda like BlackPink.

Lesserafim is extremely talented and relatable, they also have Sakura so their fan base is strong and loyal by default.

It is still too soon to say anything, I am excited for Ive’s comeback, Kakao has plenty of money so they can invest in them.

This isn’t a war , there is space for all groups.

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Easy.

Ive has unknown members to the general public: Gaeun, Rei, Leeseo [yes, nowadays no one cares about leeseo, even Gaeul is more popular]

Yujin lives in the shadow of Wonyoung, I feel really bad for her, she never stood a chance. She keeps getting overlooked.

Wonyoung’s fake personality finally got to her and is hated by everyone, even the fans. She is popular though, no one will take that away from her, but her actions might have driven some of her fans away.

Liz does not make an effort to lose weight, hence she isn’t a visual anymore and can’t sing the chorus, that takes her to less screen time. She was my bias in Eleven, I was obsessed With her natural elegant doll-like look and that quickly faded in Love Dive when all the members showed improvement except for her and Wonyoung.

NWJNS still feels fresh, idk how to explain it, but they are special, kinda like BlackPink.

Lesserafim is extremely talented and relatable, they also have Sakura so their fan base is strong and loyal by default.

It is still too soon to say anything, I am excited for Ive’s comeback, Kakao has plenty of money so they can invest in them.

This isn’t a war , there is space for all groups.

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Leeseo literally went viral this week for her Hanlim pictures what are you saying lmao

Its so easy to debunk everything you say either you are a troll or delusional

quality not surpassed yet..