BTS vs Big Bang, who is more popular in their golden age?

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    Bigbang edges BTS in Korea when it comes to the general public. But BTS have the whole world including Bigbang's touring turf/second home aka J-A-P-A-N.


    Nonetheless, if we look at a bigger lense- Bigbang is not even remotely a competition to BTS. This is like asking a comparison between IU (mostly popular in Korea like BB) and BTS which is WhyKnock specialty 😂

    Well now you are expanding the scope.


    Then it can be asked whether


    IU or Bigbang, who was more popular in their peak

    AND

    IU or BTS, who was more popular in their peak.


    When it comes to S.Korea, the question still can be debated.

    Possibly in 2032, we can add,


    IU or XYZ, who was more popular in their peak.

    Quote from call-911

    Bigbang edges BTS in Korea when it comes to the general public. But BTS have the whole world including Bigbang's touring turf/second home aka J-A-P-A-N.


    Nonetheless, if we look at a bigger lense- Bigbang is not even remotely a competition to BTS. This is like asking a comparison between IU (mostly popular in Korea like BB) and BTS which is WhyKnock specialty 😂

    Their heydays do not mix but in BB's heyday it was pretty popular both in Korea and Japan.

    IU stomped BB/BTS in a lot of metrics. But I will make a case of IU & BB VS. IU & BTS as it was more interesting to debate.


    IU and BB's music are definitely more popular with the GP than BTS. But I can also argue a list of what BB doesn't have, which IU and BTS have that contributes to popularity.


    1. LONGEVITY on the charts (unarguably, both IU & BTS stomped BB when it comes to this). If we look at BB's latest song- despite it having peaked so high in uls (surpassing IU's peak), they couldn't hold it much longer (as expected like we've seen with their previous hits), and now it's out of top 4 on Melon. While IU and BTS' hits definitely spent more time on atleast top 2 or 3 despite having a lower peak in uls.


    2. INFLUENCE/GOOD REPUTATION (UNARGUABLY, both IU & BTS edges out BB when it comes to good public recognition). They always topped any public surveys even reaching out to older citizens. Not to mention BB's public image is tainted largely due to Seungri's case and the group's drug allegations.


    3. HAVING A MORE DIVERSE DEMOGRAPHIC (UNARGUABLY IU & BTS stomped BB when it comes to this). It's been proven that both behemoths have a more diverse demographic or atleast older people heavily favored them more than Bigbang. It's backed up with solid facts through public surveys and their listener demographic on Melon. Although I can make a case that IU & BB is more favored towards citizens in the 20s than BTS. However, being more favored by the older demographic is far greater as they are usually the ones who are not in the center of the music scene or care about celebrities. They also make up the majority of population in SK. So it means that IU & BTS have greater influence & public reception than BB (like I said in my 2nd argument) than the usual music listeners.


    CONCLUSION:


    IU & BTS are more popular than BB in their golden age. Overall, they have all the right ingredients to qualify for it beyond the # of uls (as I stated above). Although BTS has yet to prove its popularity in the long run since IU & BB's music is still received well despite the seniority in the industry. Not much to say anymore, so I rest my case.

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    Their heydays do not mix but in BB's heyday it was pretty popular both in Korea and Japan.

    But if we're comparing their heydays- BTS definitely stomped BB's popularity in Japan. Especially if we're looking at their songs popularity there. Better comparison for BTS in Japan is TVXQ actually. Nonetheless, BTS still the first korean artist to top the Oricon's Artists Ranking and giving the local Japanese artists a competition to year end charting & royalties (which indicates popularity to the GP) beating all the Kpop artists including their seniors. Which again, is another case to make in a different thread.

    BB has few things that aren't matched in the industry.

    They have delivered massive hits (#1s) in all 3 decades now.

    And their domination of charts for 4 consecutive months(?) with MADE in 2015, has anyone matched it?


    Anyway, unless there is a consensus on what parameters are to be used, this debate will be never ending.


    If using Gaon Digital, then there are still records BB holds which hasn't been surpassed by BTS - Number of #1s, Number of months.


    Of course, IU is still far ahead of both.


    But when you bring international parameters, then BTS outstrips both.

    Definitely. They are in a league of their own when it comes to public interests and it was strongly shown with their album MADE. Sometimes even beating IU on the charts.


    But like I said, they are not as strong in longevity than their competitors like IU or BTS. Spring Day still the biggest group song of all time with the highest uls and dls. They are not untouchable in Korea like how BTS is untouchable in the global stage.

    Quote from call-911

    Definitely. They are in a league of their own when it comes to public interests and it was strongly shown with their album MADE. Sometimes even beating IU on the charts.


    But like I said, they are not as strong in longevity than their competitors like IU or BTS. Spring Day still the biggest group song of all time with the highest uls and dls. They are not untouchable in Korea like how BTS is untouchable in the global stage.

    Is BTS untouchable on global stage?


    Yes, by other k-pop artists, but global stage then other global artists should be considered.

    I haven't been following the stats, but recollect seeing BTS as 5 or 6 in terms of sales in the US?

    The Beatles were still ahead of them and Stray Kids the other kpop act in the top 10.

    Not sure about the earlier years.


    Still they probably are the first k-pop act who have been in the top 5-10 in the past 5 or so years.


    And in S.Korea BTS is yet to overcome IU. The one instance when they went head to head in 2017, IU topped, though DNA's longevity has been better.


    But in both cases, Korea or the world, BTS indeed has done better than BB, even if there are few records BB still holds.


    Bringing IU or other global artists into this discussion, might not be the best idea. BB vs. BTS.


    BTS is as popular in Korea as BB was in their heydays.

    Globally, no K-pop act has ever been as popular as BTS.

    Actually, BB had that kind of metrics, prior to the members having problems.


    IT was kind of the standard for boy groups in Korea, until the Seungri problem led to BB not being able to perform as one. As late as 2015 it was able to beat IU off.


    BB and BTS didn't cross their fates since by the time BTS was on the map on 2016 BB stopped performing as one. But until 2015 at least, BB had all the characteristics BTS has now.

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    The Nine People who won the Most Awards in 2021 - 2 of them are from Korea, although 1 of them is not exactly KPop
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    The following nine people dominated world pop for 2021

    BTS (Hybe) 164 Awards
    The Weeknd (XO Labels) 82 Awards
    Ed Sheeran (Gingerbread Man Records) 76 Awards
    Taylor Swift (Republic Records) 63 Awards
    Olivia Rodrigo (Interscope / Geffen) 59 Awards
    Justin Bieber (ultimately Hybe) 58 Awards
    Dua Lipa (Warner) 55 Awards
    Megan Thee Stallion (in dispute) 48 Awards, most of them earned thru a collaboration with BTS
    IU (Edam) 46 Awards, all of them won in…
    WhyKnock


    BTS 164 awards


    The Weeknd 82 awards


    IU 46 awards, all from Korea


    which means BTS at most 118 awards not from Korea


    118-82


    Quite a lot of distance.



    Yes, BTS IS untouchable from anywhere on earth (although it is a different story in Korea itself).

    Awards are secondary to sales. The Beatles aren't winning any awards, but still outsell most acts, including BTS.


    Show me the money. Or sales.


    Note: I am not saying BTS is not the best, just that I haven't checked the sales over the past years. Just saw the sales so far for 2022 and they are the 5th..

    Pretty impressive


    Edit: tried to check, if IFPI Global artist ranking is valid, then indeed BTS is the top ranking artist in 2020, 2021.


    Seems I know more about Korean charts than Western :S

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    It's better to not say anything when you don't know the stuff you are talking about. Or better just ask.

    Ofcourse, I'm talking about Korean artists here (I mean even in any Asian act). BTS might not be the top act in the global stage but they are definitely in the top 10 rn.


    All stats in all metrics show that. They are among the top 10 most streamed act on Spotify (#3) without an album release last year.


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    Number one on IFPI best selling artists and #4 in the IFPI Global Top 10 Digital Single Chart 2021 last year with Butter. Same with Oricon beating the popular local artists in Japan (the 2nd biggest music market).


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    They are unarguably one of the biggest touring act RN despise the pandemic and have amassed a ton of sales even with just an online concert.


    They slay in ALL metrics (physical, streaming & touring). They are a brand ambassador and their brand value alone is massive (like how McDonald's made them their endorsers in the US & globally).


    And even as a group and a kpop/asian act, they were nominated twice in the Grammys. Not even 1D in their heydey got a nom.


    And just recently, they were invited in the White House by President Biden.


    Besides, it's hard to gauge who's the biggest act in the world. As it will also falls like the one in your argument. And I think it's impossible for anyone to know as we're talking about the global stage here. The bigger the stage, the bigger the scope. I'm talking about the top artists here from different countries & nations that managed to get in the biggest stage aka G-L-O-B-A-L-L-Y and with a global hit. Among with the top global artists.


    Now tell me any Korean or Asian artists who can compete with BTS' success/achievements/accolades?


    Exactly. Currently, it's no one.


    This sounds a lot like those 4th gen stans making up very specific accomplishments lol.


    Bigbang had 15 songs reach #1 on Melon Daily and had 48 total weeks at #1 on Melon Weekly.


    BTS has had only 4 songs reach #1 on Melon Daily and only 17 weeks at #1 on Melon Weekly, most of them from one song, Dynamite.


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