I'm historically bad at choosing a bias in my group. Still haven't managed after 9 years with Mamamoo.
Still just as hard with NJ, so I'll give my stock answer.
It DePeNdS oN tHe CoMeBaCk
For Super Shy era, I'm team Dani. But if it's NewJeans (the song), Haerin. ETA? Wavy hair Hyein.
Damnit. I can't do it 
no i get what you mean, and I don’t intend to force feed my preference on others and shove it down their throat. I normally just pass through threads that don’t interest me without engaging anyway
that being said, i can’t deny I don’t get the intensive obsession with monitoring pop stars’ achievements to put a crown on a single act, as if this was an olympic sporting competition and only 1 victor could emerge. Coming from executives and people that directly benefit from these celebs’ success, I get, but from fans who are assumed to be here bc they enjoy the entertainment, not the numbers, i truly don’t. And this extends to other industries too, not just music or kpop music in particular. God knows video games fans and films fans can be just as invested in proving A or B is the biggest franchise or the number 1 success etc. lol. I guess if sports don’t interest you but you still like to talk about competitions, the next best thing is blockbuster achievements or celebrity fandoms
God I hate using AKP on mobile. Anyway
All my sports analogies flop here, but it's the same behavior/dialogue you see in sports. You have the "just enjoy the greatness in front of you" crowd and the "we must compare and contextualize every accomplishment of every great player to every other great player past or present" crowd.
I think it just comes down to preference. Heck, to use gaming.
It's the "I just want to do whatever and have fun" crowd vs "I must min/max everything to be the best. That's my fun" crowd.
Except unlike sports or gaming, K-Pop groups really can't do or accomplish anything without the support of their fans and the public theoretically. So there's even deeper emotional investment and connection between artist and fans than there ever would be between athlete and fan.
Just my take on it!
Good lord can we go one whole week without this exhausting rehash of the same argument springing up again and again like weeds after rain
wish people would be less obsessed with some random folks’ success and the need to constantly engage in dick measuring contests using their faves’ achievements as weapons, and I’m referring to all sides. I assure you neither ive nor nj nor any other top group are losing sleep if they’re not constantly being touted as number 1 or being “downplayed” in the achievements bullet points list unless they actually care about having their egos stroked by online worshippers without their awareness lol - all this energy could’ve been saved for much more productive discussions but alas 👩🦽🧑🦼👨🦯
I'll play devil's advocate and offer a different perspective here.
If the conversation isn't toxic, and people are being respectful, then it doesn't matter how many times it's rehashed, if that's what people really want to discuss. That's what the forums are for, and if a thread wears out its welcome with somebody, they can just not participate or read it. If there's even a specific user that bothers them, they can usually just be blocked.
Some people find these conversations, if not informative, then at least entertaining. And it's not like these achievements and comparisons aren't routinely encouraged and celebrated by the industry itself, factoring into something as simple as a music show win or something as major as a year-end award--both of which do matter to pretty much any group, if we judge by the tears shed when they win those awards.
I say, as long as the content isn't harmful, no need to police it. If or when nobody wants to talk about it anymore, the thread will just die off anyway.
That's fine. We both know where we stand and that we won't budge after all this time.
I DO just want to say that your image illustrates my point on ULs though. YIA by Mamamoo ranks only behind D4 in ULs, but it isn't even a top 3 Mamamoo song in terms of overall digitals or a top 3 song among all GGs that released music that year.
And if I tried to argue otherwise using ULs, I promise Twice BP and RV fans would start breathing fire and try to roast me alive. Hell, they tried to back in 2017 when I did brag about the ULs of YIA 
I dont see it as shading Ive and I dont deny nj impressive feats but since when have we started ignoring uls as a popularity metric?
Also i am actually did have better digital peaks than ditto fyi, similar to how next level had better digital peaks than savage despite savage getting more paks.
External Content twitter.comContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.Anyway, if u want to brag about nj, brag, ur a fan after all.. but its clear youre cherrypicking ur info and thats what doesnt sit right with me.
I'm not cherry picking anything. IVE isn't a flop group, so of course they're going to be strong in digital metrics.
I just don't think ULs and the first weeks of digital index score are enough to make any inferences about a song.
Having a PAK for 3 entire months, with the songs threatening to end the streak being two other songs from the same group is just something that has literally never been seen before in chart history. That in combination with all the other stupid things NJ has done to the charts clearly separates them in my eyes.
And it has nothing to do with being a fan. If I remained a 3rd gen GG fan only, I'd still have these takes.
Display MoreI'm confused.
why you are quoting me when your points are the same as mine?
My point is that NJ doing better than IVE (this year) because of Ditto and Hype Boy in SK
OMG makes NJ known in the world, but Ditto is clearly charting better than OMG in Kr.
Charting stats this year: Ditto > Hype Boy > I am > Kitsh > OMG
PAK is nice but the longevity of the song is more important.
Love Dive or Hype Boy clearly have lower UL peaks than all their other songs, but they are the biggest hit of IVE and NJ on Melon.
I was agreeing with you. I just added more context.
Peak: NJ by a wide margin
Longevity: NJ by a wide margin
Overall: NJ by a wide margin
Is basically what I'm saying. Also I don't put excessive importance on PAKs. But having the all-time record, previously held by BTS, is significant.
They are already the group with the second most Melon weekly #1s in chart history. In barely a year. No statistic mentioned in this thread even approached the absurdity of that one.
The only group above them is Big Bang, the previous digital gods.
confession: I genuinely did not know if BPH was doing a weird comedy bit by being obsessed with that peak ULs thing
to this day, I’m not 100% sure if he’s being ironic or not about it
NJH gets put in his own special category of stan. Just let the old man get his daily rants out his system so he can enjoy his afternoon nap 
I was more referring to others unironically using ULs to argue the relative popularity of songs. Which is silly.
In 2017, Mamamoo set a then girl group record for 24 hour unique listeners with the release of Yes I Am. But watch the fireworks if I make a thread claiming YIA was the biggest girl group song of 2017. ULs isn't even close to a reliable metric on its own
Why erase two of the biggest songs in the history of the Melon?
If you're talking peaks, no song compares to Ditto. It has the most PAK hours of any song in the history of the chart.
If you're talking longevity, it's Hype Boy. It has spent more time in the top 10 than any song in the history of the chart.
If you're talking overall digitals in Korea, it's NewJeans. They have the most hours at #1, most weeks at #1 behind only Big Bang, and they're the only group in history to occupy the top 3 of every Korean chart for 3 consecutive months.
I am not attempting to shade IVE. But you have to erase a lot of NJ's success or heavily weight one single metric, like the infamous ULs, to claim they're even in Korea.
Not while Hype Boy and Attention exist 
You mean to tell me NewJeans hit 800 mil streams on Melon in 384 days with freakin 14 songs, and the previous record was 991 days?!
I-I don't even--how do you even put that into any kind of comparable historical context? These are video game numbers.
To anyone who still wants to argue about who's sitting on the throne for the next generation and pretty much occupied it since debut:
You suck at fighting for scraps - you don't even tag BlackpinkHouse for a rebuttal!!
It's too late! Now I'll just look like a sad and desperate try-hard! I already missed the peak controversial hours. The "get everybody triggered" window has closed shut, and I'm not even motivated anymore
You avoided the smoke this time BlackpinkHouse I won't miss the next one 
No! No! No! I was late and missed the peak tea session! Now I have to fight for scraps of provocative hot takes!
Okay, I read everything. This thread is just copium in text form.
NJ could own the top ten songs on the Billboard Hot 100 for a year and NewJeansHouse would still be looking up those Korean charts to remind people of IVE's UL peaks on a Tuesday when the planets aligned perfectly for 7.5 seconds at 10 am KST
Ahhhh I had to miss this since it's my friend's bday weekend!
Guess I'll have to wait for an upload or peruse the Bunny discord
Found it!
I thought they could have tightened Hype Boy a bit instrumentally but the girls energy was too good so maybe helped them loosen up
Everything else I liked the Live versions more
Did the sound change much for the Get Up half?
I didn't dislike the arrangement for Hype Boy, but nothing is going to top the song in its original format for me.
But it's a small trade off for NJ to flex their vocals and really engage the crowd with a live band performing all their now classic hits. I wasn't upset~
The Get Up half of their stage was all studio tracks, and I was okay with that. It was my first time seeing them live, so I kind of wanted to hear the original song arrangements in person
The whole set was some of the most fun I've had with random strangers, most of whom suffered together with me while waiting hours for the moment NJ finally emerged.
did you prefer the live band versions or studio versions in a festival space?
Oooh, this one is easy.
For these songs I absolute preferred the live band versions:
Cookie (especially that rock version)
OMG
Hurt
I preferred the studio version for these songs:
Hype Boy (it's just too perfect)
Attention
For this song, both are perfect and I loved them equally:
that Ditto performance sounds so gooooooood
I felt compelled to record most of Ditto. Such a great performance of an instant classic song, and it was only enhanced by the live band. Literal music to my ears 
Yes! And that's why I only have partial clips and bits and pieces of their set! For most of the performance, I just watched with it with my phone safely tucked away
More clips as promised 
I know there are much higher quality, complete videos out there, but this was my perspective and experience seeing NJ in person for the first time 
My brethren in Christ. This is literally the exact opposite of what they said.
If you're going to go at someone this hard, please make sure you read carefully before responding.
