But it hasn't been long
That's the whole point
I don't think you finished your thought or completed your statement, or at least that's what I'm hoping for, because if this is a rebuttal to anything I said, you will really need to clarify what it is you're responding to.
Without the context of what you actually mean, I'm going to run with your statement.
Yes, look at how long it hasn't been and at how much NewJeans has already accomplished. I'm honestly in awe of it.
So much copium in this thread because people refuse to accept the dominance of NewJeans.
To whomever this applies, you're delusional if you think their success is just hype.
Sure, you can absolutely score a PAK with hype and public interest. It's still really hard but at least that's not a freezing cold take.
But you don't score a PAK for the 3rd most hours of any song ever off hype alone. The public has to love the group and the song for it to be remotely possible.
This isn't rocket science. It's literally digital chart basics.
And if an objective measurement like chart longevity isn't good enough for you, you better pull up with something better or shut up.
My opinion and your opinion on the song quality are irrelevant. Just let the data talk.
People in here really acting like NewJeans had a competition show to decide the members or a bunch of pre-release hype up videos, and didn't drop an album out of nowhere that the public immediately recognized as bop certified 
Quality is subjective, it is hard to measure. Hard to know yet.
I really like Hurt. I bought it on Itunes. The others lack quality for me personally.
We have ways to measure how much the public likes a particular song.
That's why we have threads like this.
It amazes me that you can see a song go viral, spawn countless song and dance covers, chart in the top 3 almost 6 months after its release and reach the conclusion it's mostly Hype (Boy).
That's not how hype works with the charts. Ever.
An all hype song does NOT have lasting longevity. Ever. Such songs come out the gates with very strong numbers and then quickly taper off if people aren't feeling the song.
Hype Boy did the literal exact opposite of that, and its refusal to leave even the top 3 shows how much Korea loves that song and all of the music released by NewJeans.
Stop overdosing on copium and just acknowledge and accept their achievements.
It's really hard to say what it's actually from.
Not at all. Observe.
NewJeans blew up because of their amazing song quality.
Yeah, that was easy.
Attention, Hype Boy and Cookie (special mention to Hurt) were just that good.
Addictive hooks, fun choreo--you don't debut and immediately rise and maintain like NewJeans with nothing but hype.
I think it is not matter of burn out but whether the song clicks. For now, im sure them doing well is due to 60% hype + 40% song quality. Not sure when the hype fades, whether their new song will still have that standard/quality to click with the GPs.
Um. They have so much hype because of their song quality. You have this a little backwards.
If they keep releasing great music, the hype won't be fading any time soon.
Really...? I didn't think I was being subtle.
While it's hard to make cross-generation comparisons tbh and they're both very popular in their own generation, what I'll say is idk if 7 years from now there would be discussions after discussions made about whether or not XYZ group is as popular as NewJeans in 2023. I can still see discussions being made about 2016's Twice vs. other GGs in years to come. That's the difference, imo.
Huh? NewJeans is absolutely setting the bar higher than we've ever seen it for girl group debuts. Quite literally, it's the most successful girl group debut that K-Pop has ever seen, and it's not even close.
Twice had the honor of being used as the standard by which other girl groups were compared to in their era, and NewJeans is certainly going to be the standard for this era, regardless of whether or not it's fair for their peers (hint: it isn't).
I think what people really need to understand is that no career we've seen in the last two generations has gotten off to the incomparable start that NewJeans has--we've literally never seen anything like it in K-Pop.
Which is why my opinion is that, while it's too early to compare NewJeans to the top girl groups of generations past, if they continue at this level for the foreseeable future, NewJeans is going to be the new standard.
And I'll be frank. I trust Min Heejin and her incredible team more than I'd ever trust JYP long-term.
EDIT: It's actually never too early to compare; it's just too early to make a definitive statement. If we took the top girl groups of the 3rd/4th generation and started a race from their debut on, NewJeans is well ahead of everyone, and that's a fact.
I know everyone likes to say people are hopping from group to group, but I have to ask...based on what data? Is there a quarterly census I'm not aware of, or is that just a completely arbitrary statement?
I was around for the entirety of the third generation, and a little bit before that, and the rabid fandom behavior I see today isn't much different from what I saw back then.
MooMoos being very active .. till Mamamoo's cb's were fewer and far btwn after 2016
Well this simply isn't correct. 2017 was a light year for Mamamoo, as they mostly spent that time on their concerts and some solo work from Wheein primarily, but 2018? Mamamoo released four mini-albums that year. The content didn't slow down until 2020.
As for the actual topic, NewJeans is doing things no girl group has ever done, and they're doing it while barely being half a year old. That's impressive no matter the generation.
It's too soon to compare them to Twice, but do we honestly need to? Instead of calling them the next Twice, I'm content to say they're the first NewJeans, and they're already in uncharted territory.
I’ve been a Kpop fan since 2015. And that being said, BP are the biggest girl group of the third gen and it’s not even close
Okay.
Yes I Am had the highest ul numbers in 24 hours for a gg song until DDDD came out. It didn’t have as good of longevity as their other songs but it had the biggest initial start.
BP were literally rookies no one expected them to squash anything you clearly just made that up. That being said, AIIYL is a bigger hit than anything twice put out since TT
I literally said Yes I Am had a really hot start. Don't quote me if you're not going to actually take the time to read what you're responding to.
But honestly, we're going to disengage here, if you're going to accuse me of making anything up.
I think I've made it very clear that I'm a passionate Mamamoo fan, and was heavily involved in all the girl group discussions during the peak of the 3rd generation.
Believe me when I say that I'm not making up anything when it comes to how disrespectful people were being towards Mamamoo, when it was announced BP would be releasing a song on the same day.
And I certainly remember the follow up conversations when Mamamoo was outcharting them for the first month.
Were you even a K-Pop fan back then? The stuff people are (deservedly) saying about NewJeans now is the same kind of stuff people said about BlackPink back then.
You make some points but TWICE were the e undisputed #1 gg after TT dropped. They had triple the album sales of the second best selling 3rd gen gg at the time (RV) and were on top digitally (mamamoo was bigger in 2017 but not by a lot). What made twice different was they were huge in japan which contributed to their large YouTube views far ahead of their competitor except for BP.
What Twice did in 2016 was done by BP 2020 o and onwards.
I mean, I'm pretty sure I acknowledged and explicitly stated Twice was the top girl group in K-Pop back then, and I also know very well that they sold more albums than anyone, with IOI being the only group to approach them in that category.
My point is that it wasn't like they had weak competition, and people need to put some respect on the names of their competition.
The other girl groups were behind them but not so far behind you couldn't even see them in the rear view mirror.
No.
Mamamoo had several songs that had overall better digital/charting performance than Yes I Am. Both You're The Best and Decalcomanie were bigger hits than Yes I Am, and they both came out in 2016.
Starry Night was also much bigger than Yes I Am, and came out in 2018. And HIP was also one of their biggest hits and came out in 2019.
But I will always adore Yes I Am, for how hot it came out the gates on its release, and humbling a lot of people who expected Mamamoo to get squashed by BlackPink(who dropped AIIYL the exact same day as Mamamoo's YIA)
Both sides of this argument are being incredibly obtuse and annoying.
Acting like Twice had no competition is just plain stupid. I'm not going to mince words here. Not one, not two, not three but four other girl groups scored a Perfect All-Kill on the charts in 2016 (Mamamoo, BlackPink, GFriend, IOI).
If you weren't actually around for the 3rd generation girl group war, then don't speak on what you don't know. The other girl groups didn't just roll over for Twice, and at least digitally, competition was fierce, even if Twice was the clear leader.
But what's also disingenuous is acting like Twice was miles ahead of the other girl groups. They were the obvious top girl group in K-Pop at their peaks, but they didn't lap the competition many times over.
Even in 2016, I distinctly remember fierce arguments in discussing Rough vs. Cheer Up (Twice vs GFriend), and yours truly was personally involved in any discussion that involved Mamamoo. I have the battle scars to prove it.
Do not treat Mamamoo like an after-thought. They were huge in their peaks too, and the Korean public loved them. For example, in 2016, their episode of SNL got even higher ratings than Twice's. Which kind of goes back to both of my points.
Twice had plenty of competition in their peak. Their top girl group spot wasn't just handed to them.
AND
There wasn't that big of a gap between them and the other top girl groups. The gap was definitely biggest overall in 2016, but come on.
Mamamoo having more longevity at the peak than Red Velvet was the biggest surprise for me.
Not all that surprising honestly. Mamamoo were digital monsters in their own right at their peak. Between their group releases, and solo tracks, they had a #1 song on Melon from 2016 until 2020. And like the other top girl groups of their generation, they have a Perfect All-Kill to their name. Starry Night was also a longevity monster (and HIP would be too if it counted but it peaked at #2--I forgot what song blocked it).
Peak Mamamoo could hang with any girl group on the charts, including Twice and BlackPink.
Cheer Up, TT, Knock Knock, Signal, Likey, Heartshaker, What is Love, DTNA and Yes or Yes all hit #1 on the weekly chart
It's all coming back to me now. I'm assuming this is the Melon Weekly chart, or are we talking Gaon?
Either way, when I think or see #1, I think it's the song that charted the highest, longest and/or accumulated the most streams. That's why I was confused.
I'm rusty. Thanks for the clarification.
I think you're just learning that humans have the potential to not be the best of species that inhabit the planet. It ain't a Korean only issue.
Does Twice really have that many #1 songs? Because I was deep in the K-Pop sauce during that entire stretch, as a huge and still huge Mamamoo fan, and this is how I at least remember the top girl group songs each year, starting in 2016:
2016: Cheer Up
2017: Red Flavor
2018: Dududu
2019: Fancy/Kill This Love/HIP
2020: Psycho/Lovesick Girls (someone will have to remind me of what Twice dropped this year...More and More?)
2021: I'm not even sure (this is where I kind of disengaged from K-Pop/took a break)
2022: Fourth Gen Domination
So out of the years I can vividly remember, I'd say 2016 was the only one where Twice absolutely dominated digitally and/or had the best charting song among their peers.
Did they really get #1 over Red Flavor and Dududu? That can't be right.
