Posts by Yama-Chan

Quote from randkpopstan

Stop pointing fingers when you are the worst mamamoo and newjeans fans on allkpop

I should've name dropped you too. I'm sorry for neglecting to give you your due.

I am not here to be the best or worst, good or evil; I'm just me, and you can take it or leave it. I spit nothing but facts, and I'm not afraid to ruffle a few feathers to get my point across.

But I am not toxic, nor do I troll. I am mostly respectful as long as the other person can do the same.

I'm only the worst because I'm the best as exposing the insecurity, incompetence and ignorance behind most of the rabid, emotion-driven takes that get posted here.

You didn't even know who Twice was when Cheer Up dropped. Get out of here.

Quote from TheBotter

People also dunked on Twice for weeks to months and got it back and now it's like...are Once too toxic.

You are.

Not Onces. You.

Own it. Same for vzal. You make poor ambassadors for your fandom.

Quote from Daisy_Queen

Is it possible

Can dives and tokkis unite against a common enemy??

Nope. I'm going to watch this with great amusement and interest. Let me just add a bit of chaos.

catzi they need you

Congratulations, Icy. This is what successful, dedicated stanning looks like. You stood by your guys through all the hard times and lean years. Now the patience and perseverance is rewarded

Quote from igloo

You already make discussions here boring bro. At least start insulting peoples' faves personally or smth.

The engagement says otherwise

If I brought the energy I usually keep for the sports forums I frequent, people wouldn't be able to handle it

I keeps it classy since somebody here has to

Quote from killthisfenty

You want to talk about facts.

Circle digital points wasn’t a thing until 2018 which means it leaves twice’s biggest hits in dust.

Twice is the best selling GG in term of sales, they have the most platinum certifications in streaming and sales.

Twice launched multiply albums in the top 10 of the best albums of the year.

During the time where BTS started to dominate, it never prevented twice to score 9#1.

I don't want to talk facts. I am talking facts. Circle was Gaon back in 2016. Don't be obtuse. And they released year end metrics back then. You can even find AKP articles about their year end numbers with a quick Google search.

Moreover, the most impressive part of NewJeans and their Circle dominance isn't how it flatly compares to their predecessors but how far ahead of their PEERS they are. That's a much easier barometer than trying to find a way to standardize metrics obtained in 2016 vs. metrics obtained in 2023.

NewJeans was at 4.1 BILLION in 2023. No other artist IN KOREA, not just girl groups, was even close to them last year. That level of dominance is unprecedented and historic.

Also, this topic is about the first 1.5 years, not their entire careers, so stop trying to shoehorn in Twice's career numbers.

In terms of debut, NewJeans was the biggest ever by any metric of any girl group. Twice's wasn't even top 5 all time and LOA had to climb the charts, unlike their peer, BP, with Whistle. NewJeans did that with a surprise debut too, with no pre debut reality show to build hype.

Since debut to now, Twice didn't bridge that gap at all. NewJeans widened it.

If you're really interested in facts, I have volumes of them to pull from to make it readily apparent how silly this comparison is.

I'll get back to you later, if you want to tango.

Quote from versatile

Twice was the highest selling GG of that year 2016 and it wasn't close. The only group in the top 10 new jeans weren't in the top 10 last year for an album.

You're looking at inflated numbers and it's not wise. New jeans have no individuality, not the same brand recognition on trend, very successful but just not on twice level in Korea I think that's just how it is.

You have no idea what you're talking about, Ripia. How you think it is irrelevant to how it actually is.

Stop coping with the inflated numbers and playlisting bullshit. It just makes you look insecure and completely undermines any argument you want to make.

I'll be back later.

Quote from vzal

So now everyone is voting based on their feelings.. ha, you're such a clown.

If you also objectively looked at all the facts, RV are indeed a B tier group but guess who was going so hard for them two days ago because people rightfully called them mid tier?

It was idiotic to call RV mid tier before and it's still idiotic to call them mid tier today.

I don't know why you think you've obtained some kind of gotcha moment, because my arguments are always backed by objective fact and empirical data. Your agenda to punch down groups to lift up Twice is transparent and ignorant.

But okay.

I've still been playing nice this week. I'm going out for a nice meal with friends. Traditional Japanese.

When I get back, I'm going in. Don't go anywhere. Not like you have anything to do but mald over Twice having no presence in Korea any more. Something even a "mid tier" group like Red Velvet still has.

See you soon.

Quote from TheBotter

It's just the same people 3 or 4 presses Once and those couple of utterly delusional Bunnies...and you of course in the mix.

You got something to say to me? I'm right here if you need to get something off your chest.

Please. The pleasure would be all mine.

Quote from versatile

Okay that's one stat, but you still can't give anything other than digital points, if being digitals was the only thing that mattered then Sistar would be the biggest GG in SNSD 2013-16 era but they weren't

Did you not click the thread I linked? If you want, I can stat dump this thread and make this a really boring discussion, because it's that one sided.

In 2023, NewJeans sold the most cumulative albums in the history of Circle.

There's physicals.

Their debut album, NewJeans, is the best selling girl group debut album in history. The first to sell over a million units since the 1990s.

More physicals.

I can keep going but it's pointless.

No girl group, or even boy group, has had a start to a career like NewJeans. They make the extraordinary seem ordinary, and people are taking it for granted.

Quote from versatile

For all your talk about how it isn't close the polls says otherwise.

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People vote based on their feelings not the facts. If you objectively look at all the metrics, and look at them in the context of how they compared even relative to their peers, it's not even close. I can just use one I've used before.

In 2018, Twice set the record for most digital points on the Circle Digital chart, accumulating 2.8 billion points in the calendar year.

In 2023, NewJeans broke that record and became the first and only girl group to ever accumulate over 3 billion points. Because they also became the first girl group ever to accumulate over 4 billion points in the history of the chart. No other girl group, from their generation, came remotely close to that. So don't use the generation it was accomplished in to downplay that--nobody else can pull these numbers, only NewJeans.

That's just one stat of literal dozens I could expound on. My man, this isn't close.

You all better be glad I went out on a long ass trek before I could unleash on this thread. Only reason I went light to begin with is because I'm not giving Ripia a low effort hit thread, when I can just make it myself and get all the smoke there.

People have already given the hard numbers and facts behind this being a lopsided comparison in favor of NewJeans. We have literally NEVER seen a girl group dominate to this extent in Korea this early into their careers.

Whether it's digital, physicals, public recognition, daesangs or even gallup surveys, NewJeans is ahead of Twice by miles in every category.

This...isn't close. We have never seen a girl group do most of the things NewJeans have done to Korea's charts in 2022/2023. It's no disrespect to Twice, but NewJeans have taken the bar and set it into the stratosphere from the moment they debuted.

Quote from chilltime

blackpink didn't even have a comeback last year. what are you competing with? air?

They meant NewJeans is currently threatening to overtake the peak numbers we saw from BlackPink.

By my estimation, they already have for most of the relevant metrics, and will take the remaining ones this year, with touring being the last battleground (this one won't come so easily, I admit)

Quote from versatile

I'm not into he whole numbers debate so I can't go into that but do they have any trends? Any trendy members? Much impact?

Thread

[Achievement Post] NewJeans have completed the single most impressive individual year a girl group has ever had

_{Disclaimer: This will be a fact and stat dump of NewJeans' record setting and breaking 2023. If achievement posts frustrate you because you can't make a similar post about your favs, please hit backspace and enjoy your NYE.}


This is my last NewJeans thread of the year, and I've been waiting for a while to give them their flowers for one of the most statistically dominant years a K-Pop group has ever had. Within the realm of girl groups, it is the most dominant by both achievement and acclamation.…

Yama-Chan

Dec 31st 2023

No girl group in the history of K-Pop ever came close to achieving things at NewJeans' pace, and we all know this, which is why these type of topics never turn into hit threads.

Quote from versatile

How are you reading my mind?

I gave you good fuel. Let's see how it goes.

NewJeans rather easily

They've broken nearly every relevant record in Korea, while also setting plenty of records in the U.S.

It's not exactly a fair fight, considering how much K-Pop has expanded since 2016, but it's not like Twice disbanded when NewJeans debuted.

BlackPink is still able to pull historic numbers in the West today, and are the only group competitive with NewJeans. NJ and BP have the two biggest years on Spotify of any girl group in history.

And most of what NewJeans did in Korea was either the first time it happened since SNSD or the first time ever.

If you want to make this about era or generation, then NewJeans is more dominant relative to their peers than Twice was to theirs, even at their peaks.

Quote from TheBotter

Wondering why we are still 1 yes vote short. All bluster.

I already gave my reason for not participating. Accept it and move on with your empty life. Keep trying me and I'll really start showing you my fangs. Despite my proclamation at the start of this year, I've still been nice.

I dislike most of the Blink behavior here, and choose to aim my arrows at them instead, but we can throw down all year if we want instead, Once.

The choice is yours

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They won't be #1 once the biggest girl group in the world returns

Quote from randkpopstan

You lived those times and yet you know nothing about it like you are the biggest loser of this forum

The biggest loser who's seen your favs more times than you ever will