Posts by Yama-Chan

Quote from TheBotter

Gfriend was never competitive with Twice after Cheer Up in any capacity though.

Also IVE is still very close. I mean also like NewJeans they have several songs in the top 20 at a time. It's not like they're competing with bums.

Sure, after 2016, GFriend wasn't competitive. But in 2017 Red Velvet and BlackPink were. Congrats, the competition grew even stiffer. And by 2018, BlackPink dropped a bigger hit song than any song in Twice's career.

Anyways, what's even the point of participating in these conversations if you're going to blatantly ignore every fact that contradicts your position? IVE is not "very close" and the numbers show that. How in the holiest of hells is charting songs in the top 20 at ALL comparable to any of the statistics I've linked countless times on these forums?

There is literally a one billion points difference in their digital index scores this year. NewJeans has already passed them in total career digital index points, even though IVE came out sooner and has more songs. NewJeans already shattered the record for reaching 800 million streams on Melon in 384 days, with the previous number being almost 3 times more. NewJeans have sold over 300,000 more albums. Again, despite less comebacks and less music, they have more cumulative weeks in the top 10 than IVE.

The list goes on.

Show me the facts that outweigh all these numbers and prove IVE is "very close" to NewJeans.

I'll wait.

Quote from randkpopstan

Newjeans charting some bsides and having releases with multiple title tracks charting doesn't mean their chart performance is better or even comparable to the impact twice had at their peak

Reducing what NewJeans did to the Korean charts , which literally has no historical precedent, to just "charting some bsides" is one of the most flagrant examples of a bad faith argument I've seen in a long time.

Of course "charting some bsides" wouldn't be impressive, since you're in here cope posting for a group that was rarely able to chart theirs.

NewJeans didn't just "chart b-sides" either; they dominated every digital chart in Korea.

For an entire three months, NewJeans had the #1, #2 and #3 song on every digital chart in Korea for 3 consecutive months.

No group in the history of K-Pop has done that.

During that stretch, their #1 song claimed the most PAK hours in history, and the #3 song followed that by spending only 50 weeks in the Top 10.

Quote from randkpopstan

what newjeans did with hype boy, attention, omg and ditto is very amazing but not comparable with twice peak

What NewJeans have done since debut is literally unheard of, so you're right about it not being comparable with Twice.

I'm getting bored of all the transparent agendas and fake stats being thrown around, so this is what I keep my archive around for:

And quite frankly, I'm just getting started with that stat dump. Notice the absence of other 4th gen girl groups with almost all of those achievements? Notice how NewJeans already has some all-time best career numbers with only 15 songs and only 16 months into their careers?

And I'll add a stat someone else made me aware of.

NewJeans have cumulatively charted their songs in the Melon top 10 for over 167 weeks. Only IU, Big Bang and Davichi have more with their decade+ long careers.

But tell us more about how all NewJeans have done is chart some B-sides.

Quote from vzal

It's pointless to compare chart performance as the charts have changed so much + the way both groups are/were handled is completely different.

Bigger at their peak? TWICE crushes every GG sans SNSD.

Please use basic logic. I'm making this easy. I compared Twice's chart performance relative to their peers to NewJeans' chart performance relative to their peers. The era argument is irrelevant with that criteria.

Even if I did just a flat comparison, all I'm seeing are a bunch of excuses. When Twice started breaking SNSD records, I didn't see Onces trying to silence their fandom and downplay their achievements, since the 3rd generation girl groups got to benefit from the rapid expansion of K-Pop and the Hallyu Wave that the 2nd genereation didn't have.

By the numbers, outside of longevity statistics like total album sales, NewJeans far outstrips anything Twice has ever done in Korea already, even at their peaks.

Also, you're flat wrong about 4th gen album sales. On average, NewJeans is outselling everyone. In 2023, they're the only 4th gen group with over 4 million albums sold.

NewJeans:

• 2023: 4,355,778 copies sold

IVE:

• 2023: 3,919,348 copies sold

You people can't even get basic numbers right and want others to take you seriously.

Quote from randkpopstan

This really proves nothing, Rough came out 3 months before cheer up and anyone from that era knows that downloads were a very hard category to overcome a song which had a big advantage of time, cheer up literally surpassed rough downloads 2 weeks in January 2017

It doesn't matter. My argument wasn't that GFriend was bigger than Twice; my argument was that there were girl groups competitive with Twice on the charts in 2016. Digitally, the gap between Twice and GFriend in 2016 is much smaller than the gap between NewJeans and everyone else in 2023.

The Einstein who brought up Twice's peak year even decided to retort by highlighting how there were frequent arguments between Buddies and Onces in 2016 over who had been the most impressive group, which effectively proved my point.

I don't know what is hard to understand here.

In the history of Gaon/Circle, no girl group had ever accumulated 3 billion points. The most ever was Twice with 2.8 billion.

NewJeans is well north of 4 billion.

Quote from TheBotter

People that talk like you do tend to be far from the sharpest tool in the shed or the brightest bulb in the pack.

And you remove all doubt any time you grace these conversations with your presence.

If you thought my intent was to argue GFriend was bigger than Twice in 2016, then I guess I'm not the only dumbass here, friend.

Quote from z1

Newjeans' music style is just not really built for the same viral ability as Twice's songs.

I was with you until this.

In the era of Tik Tok, YT Shorts, dance challenges and social media as a whole being even bigger than it was during Twice's reign, I think NewJeans hold a huge edge in viral ability.

Their biggest hits went mega viral and some became literal memes. Hype Boy was everywhere in 2022, and for most of 2023 as well. OMG? ETA? Hot like a wildfire in terms of going viral.

Heck, even artists outside of K-Pop were dancing NewJeans, like Rina Sawayama and Simi Liu:

I wanted to walk away from this thread, and I agree with most of what you said, but going viral is kind of a HUGE aspect of NewJeans' popularity.

Quote from SooYoung

you literally proved nothing

I said "during twice peak"

Cheer up wasn't twice peak it's literally the song who just made them on top and they were not even consider the top GG at the time of cheer up beccause they were still fighting with Gfriend at this time for thee #1 spot

and everybody was waiting for their next comeback to finally see who will be declare the #1 GG so you prove absolutely nothing here

and why are you eveen using the download chart ?

when gaon have a whole digital chart of the best performing song of 2016

or maybe you didn't want to use it because it was not fitting your narrative that even in 2016 Twice was already coming on top in term of charting ?

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You actually have no idea what you're talking about lol.

And I'm not even saying that to be mean; you just don't have a clue about 3rd generation K-Pop. I used downloads, because in 2016 downloads were still the primary method Koreans bought music with. That's why there's a download chart in the first place. Streaming didn't see anywhere near the widespread usage it has today.

If you combine digital and streaming, GFriend was still right behind Twice in 2016. Compare that gap to this gap.

(Circle Digital Index Score. The all-time record was 2.8 billion by Twice ironically)

Compare the gap you claim made Twice undisputed to this gap:

Compare that gap to this gap:

Nobody is close to NewJeans in Korea.

Cheer Up was literally Twice's biggest song by any metric. Your admitting they were battling with GFriend only proves my point...

I'll be honest. Maybe this is the way to make me want to disengage in a conversation. Everyone take notes.

If your arguments are this bad, I will lose the will to converse with you.

Quote from ISaidISaid

Agreed. Absolutely…..saying you shouldn’t support media by problematic people is 100% correct. I was a fan of the anime Rurouni Kenshin. It was actually my all time fav anime lol. Anyway the author is a pedo who had CP. Never again did I mention this anime.

Don't remind me. For literally more than a decade, if not almost two decades, I've been calling RK a virtually perfect manga.

So much for that

Quote from SooYoung

Newjeans is so successfull nobody can deny it

But i have a hard time considering more successfull than Twice in korea

Just for the fact that when Twice was at their peak they were so big that they were the undisputed #1 GG in korea and nobody could question this

Newjeans doesn't seem to have reach this level of popularity where in korea they can be consider as the #1 undisputed gg with girlgroup like IVE so close to them especially when in Korea this year "I AM" for example performed better than "Super shy"

It was something unthinkable during twice peak that another gg song could perform better than one of their title track in korea

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I don't want to do this, I promise, Twice fans. I just can't stand revisionist history being used to legitimize fake narratives.

As someone who was more active in the 3rd gen girl group wars than the 4th gen girl group wars, I see so much misinformation being spread, and people are using a lot of hindsight without the experience of being a fan during 3rd gen.

Quote from kirishiki

Bezos is still third richest man in the world. Does not mean he is not rich anymore. Same goes for Blackpink, they are third trendiest gg in Korea. Does not mean they are not trendy anymore. Based on google trends only NewJeans and IVE trend higher than Blackpink in Korea.

Post the data

Daileemidzy you should've made a poll

It is clear that NewJeans is the top girl group in 4th generation, and the numbers make it clear it's not even close.

I'm really curious what the narratives to the contrary are based on, because it ain't the facts and stats.

Of course, if I UNLEASH the objective data, I'll be accused of writing essays or being a hater

Quote from bangmenah

Its so weird that you are so confidently using “dumb take” and then comparing an array of groups that all fell short of the success of NewJeans trying to replicate their method… and then also sort of proving the take by saying there are more songs being promoted and well received by NewJeans than Twice

I literally laughed out loud reading through this thread and seeing how shook people are from my involvement in past NJ threads.

Got them anticipating essays and quotes I never even planned to write

I do have some facts and stats on standby though, if I feel like rustling some feathers

Quote from BlackpinkHouse

NJ isnt even the top GG now, that title belongs to Ive.

Quote from catzi

No I mean what makes Nj stans so sure Nj is bigger? Twice was competing against bgs in sales and nowadays every gg sell about the same amount, also Twice had more streams and ULs and 9 consecutive #1 hits... What exactly does Nj have above them in their rookie era, in South Korea? The paks in an empty house chart or the amount of promoted songs charting all at once? Sorry if i sound shady but sometimes its literally like u guys ask for it.

I know i'll probably be quoted by more like 3 or 4 diehard nj stans as I say this so I already tell yall ur talking with a wall bc in no world i'll ever be convinced current nj is bigger than rookie twice in south korea. But i know yall only do it for the nj circlejerk likes so enjoy it

The numbers have more value than your feelings. NewJeans are making history with theirs and are breaking through any record any girl group had in Korea before their arrival.

I have no interest in convincing you. I have seen the entirety of Twice's career arc and spent time in Seoul twice during their peak.

NewJeans is bigger

Quote from uwuwu-98

What is this argument of Twice competing with bg sales though, that's not true.

In 2016 they reached 300k sales thanks to the Christmas version of Lane 1, and in that moment Exo and BTS were already selling 700k albums

In 2017-2018 they already started selling 300k+ albums with their comebacks normally, but in 2017 BTS and Exo were already dropping million sellers and we had W1 doubling Twice's numbers.

Also the physical sales can't be applied looking at how messed up physical sales are nowadays you can't use that as reference, are really going to act like if Seventeen and Stray kids selling more than BTS in their peak is normal? We can't judge NJ sales, the physical market doesn't work in the same way it used to work before.

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It spawned from the same fantasy land that gave us equally divorced from reality statements like there's very little separation between NewJeans and their peers in South Korea

Quote from killthisfenty

Not you feeling Threatened when I didn’t mention some name lol. I literally said tokkies are a chill fandom but they have some success Stans.

Why are you laughing at ? As If you weren’t trying to push the narrative that they’re bigger than BP. Be serious

I'm threatened? Oh no. Not the insecure girl group stans of AKP. I'm truly fearful for my life.

Why are you so defensive? If the shoe doesn't fit, right? You can have as many takes that lack any basis in reality (like the one I laughed at) as you want, but using one thread as an opportunity to generalize an entire fandom is primary school behavior and I'll call it out as such.

Keep it topical or keep out the topic.

Quote from killthisfenty

Most of them are chill but ofc NJ have success stans on this forum if you look at their past history, they just love to drop their favs when they lose relevancy.

Both of you should stop projecting.

One fan makes a thread on AKP and you start attacking an entire fanbase.

Literally zero NJ fans have contributed to the responses in this thread.

That behavior just makes you look childish and petty

Quote from killthisfenty

Twice was demolishing GG, competing with BG in term of sales. The gap between NJ and other 4th gen GG is barely existant so I don’t know why we pretend they’re above everyone else it’s hilarious.

Lmao

Quote from citron-icy

Just here for , don't pay attention

Quote from Slayurfaves

your thread is literally about blackpink

It doesn't matter how many threads I make about BlackPink or how you get in your feelings about the premise of the threads. You whined, cried and pleaded for me to leave you alone and stop responding to you.

Even though it's a public forum, and I'm utilizing its purpose, I was kind enough to acquiesce. No matter how much I disagreed with any of your takes, I left you alone, but now you're asking for it, and you don't get to complain your way out of this one.

Spare me the victim cosplay; you're not slick. We don't need X-ray vision to see through your transparent attempts at throwing shade while feigning innocence.

You aren't special. I don't target anyone. If you feel targeted, that just means I disagree with most of your opinions.

I'm not going back and forth with you on this. Just putting you on notice.

If you even indirectly come after one of my opinions or takes again, I'm returning the favor. Respectfully of course.

I hope NewJeans have seen this. They're YouTube addicts so I assume they have.

Someone should ask them on phoning