girl i don't know i'm not a stayc fan so i don't know all their achievements and whatnot
i could be totally wrong for all i know
I only learned that factoid this week tbf 
Commence cooking please 
Posts by Yama-Chan
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I wanted to make this thread but I didn't want to come off too trolly
I have the bravery and audacity that you lack
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I see how you came to that conclusion, but I politely disagree. IVE are still incredibly popular despite Baddie flopping. And Baddie being a flop was more on Starship for choosing a bad title and promoting it very messily rather than IVE's popularity. If they come back with a general public friendly song they could get another Love Dive or I AM sized hit.
I'm not ruling out the potential for IVE to get a bigger hit than Baddie. Hit songs don't happen in a straight upwards trending line and then vanish after the first drop downwards. It can be a rollercoaster.
But I'll wait to be proven wrong on IVE. I personally don't see another Love Dive or I Am sized hit in their future
FWIW, I also don't think there is much left for NJ to accomplish in Korea. They've already done everything a group can do outside of longevity records
But they're just scratching the surface of what they can accomplish globally. I'm curious if they can release a song that would challenge Cupid. Or even the impossibly difficult accomplishment of topping the Billboard Hot 100
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You're not wrong and I gracefully accept this fact
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The fact they tried the triple title track promotion strategy and it flopped compared to what others have accomplished. More importantly, Baddie is nowhere near the hit I Am was. I need to be convinced they can score another hit as big as I Am or Love Dive.
Both of those songs are national hits. Baddie was not.
We'll see on their next comeback. I could be wrong.
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They got SOTY daesangs in their rookie year. Hard to ignore that
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What about SNSD with Into The New World? I think a lot of people consider that to be the biggest debut of all time period.
It was iconic but not the biggest. SNSD was still in the shadow of Wonder Girls until WG left for the states and they dropped Gee. So it took them two years to become the undisputed top.
NewJeans on the other hand debuted and have overshadowed their peers ever since, and have been the undisputed top since their debut.
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The NewJeans debut is easily the biggest debut by a girl group in K-Pop history.
Don't do this to Itzy. They're not even top 3.
A song (Hype Boy) from NewJeans' debut album (2022) was the second biggest song on both Circle and Melon in 2023, and the only reason it wasn't the top song is because it was blocked by another song (Ditto) from their debut year LOL
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I mean to say anyone can go these events. Aespa did as well after all. Anyway Yama you’re just going to have to accept that many think they don’t have great stages.
Some groups unanimously are agreed upon to be good on stage. NJ is not such a group at least. So it’s ok if some feel they’re good but there are also some who don’t think so.
I accept some don't like their stages. They're called the vocal minority.
And if there is anyone who can drown hate with praise, it's me
I've also seen every group get hate for stage performances, even Mamamoo. Nothing is ever unanimous in K-Pop. There will always be delusional dissenters. Kukuku
No actor in that room can hold a candle to your performances on this forum, NewJeansHouse, my favorite inside man
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IMO it’s the vocal minority aka the echo chamber that thinks they’re very good stage Kek.
They will likely be invited to Coachella this year. The Lollapalooza set might be overshadowed a bit when they kill that stage too
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I'm still not seeing these apparently glaring issues with their performance skills. They killed Lollapalooza but have no stage presence? Right after that they were the main attraction at another huge festival in Japan, Super Sonic, and they killed it again, despite the immense heat being so oppressive that Hyein nearly passed out on stage.
Then their performance at the Blue Dragon Film Awards was so well received that they were invited to perform a second consecutive year, something only Mamamoo can also lay claim to. And the actors and actresses are historically the toughest crowd idols can perform in front of. Just ask JYP
Meanwhile look at their enjoyment of NewJeans' stage
External Content youtu.beContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.No matter how much you personally don't enjoy their stages, that's not their reputation or even close to it. People generally love their stages.
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Indeed. The fact they promote every song on every album like a main track, with full stages and choreography dedicated to each one, is something that I haven't seen before NewJeans, and it hasn't been successfully replicated since their ascension.
I'll enjoy it while it lasts, because their New Jeans, Super Shy, ETA, Cool With You, Get Up and ASAP stages are some of my favorite, especially their N-Pop stages.
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Nonsense-k with this freezing cold take that has already been demonstrably proven total bullshit by multiple stages where NewJeans performed their whole Get Up album to rave reviews.
But take the word of the Nonsense-k over someone who actually saw them perform said album in person in front of 70,000 people, if you want.
I disagree I think it’s easily forgotten already. If anyone makes a poll in some years on the greatest lives in kpop no one is adding new jeans Lola to that list imo.
New jeans are a likable group with great songs and they’re boring on stage are two statements that are simultaneously true for me.
They have time to get better songs and improve. For now they’ve not had any performance that’s truly legendary. In spite of having some of the biggest songs of not just their era but even all times.
Oh yeah? Well I disagree with your disagreement. Nobody has forgotten their Lolla stage, and any time this conversation is brought up, it's one of the first stages I see mentioned. Every time. Every platform I visit.
I am not disputing your opinion they're boring. What can I do? Prove how you feel wrong? That's a fool's task. I'm just letting you know that it isn't a majority opinion. At all.
The vocal minority just wants people to think that, which is why they're called the vocal minority.
NewJeans are extremely charming and fun to watch perform for most people. Their stages always end up the most watched and rewatched at any festival they're invited to. People on AKP and that subreddit are trying REALLY hard to attach this "weak performer" label, but it isn't going to stick.
That's a take for the terminally online.
