Informant reveals Navy Seal-turned-YouTuber Lee Geun is alive and attempting to flee Ukraine through Polish border

Lol poser.

What was the point of going to Ukraine if not not join the army and put your life on the line? He felt his life was in danger? What did he honestly expect...?

why did he go in the first place, it's not like there is any joking matter happening there

i don't know the law in south korea but if he was our citizen he would get arrested if he tried to come back

ahhhh

this can be an immigration scam

He broke his own country law and it not allowed back so he can be a refugee in Europe

i said it before and i will say it again, if Ukrain wasn't in Europe he would be considered a terrorist lol.

Eh, maybe people should require more than one news article before judging either way.

heres another story about it

Lee Geun, who was rumored to have died in Ukraine, "If I go back now, there will be nothing left" - News Directory 3

Capt. Lee Geun YouTube video capture Former Captain Lee Geun, a YouTuber from the Ukrainian Special Troops (UDT) who announced his intention to participate in…

www.newsdirectory3.com

who knows whats true or not

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i said it before and i will say it again, if Ukrain wasn't in Europe he would be considered a terrorist lol.

What exactly do you mean ?

but now he is considered an idiot

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What exactly do you mean ?

but now he is considered an idiot

volunteering to fight in a war is not the same as self defence, you basically go to kill another coutry's soldiers unprompted and unprovoked. if this was the us invading a 3rd world country, you better bet no one would look at this act and pain it as heroism. imagine if this were Iraq instead of Ukraine.

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volunteering to fight in a war is not the same as self defence, you basically go to kill another coutry's soldiers unprompted and unprovoked. if this was the us invading a 3rd world country, you better bet no one would look at this act and pain it as heroism. imagine if this were Iraq instead of Ukraine.

Unprompted and unprovoked? Yea, poor fucking russians who are in a sovereign country killing and shelling innocent civilians and children.

Somehow its always turns to whataboutism about the USA. Ukraine is not the usa, south korea is not the usa. Guess what, both russia and the usa are shit countries, but in this case right now, the villain is definitly russia, not ukraine or any people going there to help them.

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Unprompted and unprovoked? Yea, poor fucking russians who are in a sovereign country killing and shelling innocent civilians and children.

Somehow its always turns to whataboutism about the USA. Ukraine is not the usa, south korea is not the usa. Guess what, both russia and the usa are shit countries, but in this case right now, the villain is definitly russia, not ukraine or any people going there to help them.

reading comprehension jumped ship

he is not Ukrainian so his going to fight against russians doesn't fall under the self defense umbrella.

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reading comprehension jumped ship

he is not Ukrainian so his going to fight against russians doesn't fall under the self defense umbrella.

So i guess if my friend is attacked i should just stand back and let it happen, roger.

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So i guess if my friend is attacked i should just stand back and let it happen, roger.

not unless he is going to have an armed war against a whole ass country's military.

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not unless he is going to have an armed war against a whole ass country's military.

What difference does it make? "Self defence umbrella" what does that even mean? Youd have a valid point if he went there on the agressors side and helped comitting war crimes, but not when he, or any volunteer for that matter, goes there to help defend a soverign country, whatever his reason for doing it might be.

I guess you are of the opinion that we shouldnt send money, food, equipment, weapons etc or provide intelligence to ukraine either then? After all its actively working against the invaders, and doesnt fall under this self defence umbrella thing.

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What difference does it make? "Self defence umbrella" what does that even mean? Youd have a valid point if he went there on the agressors side and helped comitting war crimes, but not when he, or any volunteer for that matter, goes there to help defend a soverign country, whatever his reason for doing it might be.

I guess you are of the opinion that we shouldnt send money, food, equipment, weapons etc or provide intelligence to ukraine either then? After all its actively working against the invaders, and doesnt fall under this self defence umbrella thing.

there is a differnce between providing humanitarian aid to civilians and actually fighting against soldiers of another country.

why do you think countries, such as South korea, banned volunteering for the Ukrainian army but didn't ban humanitarian aids?

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volunteering to fight in a war is not the same as self defence, you basically go to kill another coutry's soldiers unprompted and unprovoked. if this was the us invading a 3rd world country, you better bet no one would look at this act and pain it as heroism. imagine if this were Iraq instead of Ukraine.

Unprovoked though? The Russians invided Ukraine and they are treating half of the Europe with nuclear weapons

take it from me, I live in a country right next to Ukraine

Many people from Europe feel like they need to protect their homelands but that being said I actually don't have a strong opinion on this ... I understand what you mean and I don't wish more people from other countries go there to kill each other ...at the same time, Ukraine needs more help ....there are only bad choices left and it's extremly sad

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Unprovoked though? The Russians invided Ukraine and they are treating half of the Europe with nuclear weapons

take it from me, I live in a country right next to Ukraine

Many people from Europe feel like they need to protect their homelands but that being said I actually don't have a strong opinion on this ... I understand what you mean and I don't wish more people from other countries go there to kill each other ...at the same time, Ukraine needs more help ....there are only bad choices left and it's extremly sad

he is south korean, russia didn't provoke HIM.

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there is a differnce between providing humanitarian aid to civilians and actually fighting against soldiers of another country.

why do you think countries, such as South korea, banned volunteering for the Ukrainian army but didn't ban humanitarian aids?

So against sending weapons and providing military intelligence then i take it (even if it helps the humanitarian side of it)

Just because a law says something doesnt mean its morally right. There are understandable reasons as for why such a law exists to begin with yes, but it doesnt mean its some universal law set in stone by a heigher being.

There are thousands volunteers arriving by the week to ukraine, from dozens and dozens of nations. Some of them have a law like south korea, and the people going are prepared to take whatever punishment they get when they return if they return. Some nations will turn a blind eye towards it in cases like thse, and many doesnt have such a law to begin with.

What are you afraid of, that russia will attack south korea because some koreans went to ukraine? They would have to declare war on half the world if so. People of other nationalities fighting under no flag is nothing new and happens all the time. Russia would know as they are themselves experts on this and something they do all the time, difference being its often sanctioned and planned by the government when they do it.

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he is south korean, russia didn't provoke HIM.

Well, maybe the should have thought of that before they invaded ukraine, hm? Most of the world is fucking provoked by it.

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So against sending weapons and providing military intelligence then i take it (even if it helps the humanitarian side of it)

Just because a law says something doesnt mean its morally right. There are understandable reasons as for why such a law exists to begin with yes, but it doesnt mean its some universal law set in stone by a heigher being.

There are thousands volunteers arriving by the week to ukraine, from dozens and dozens of nations. Some of them have a law like south korea, and the people going are prepared to take whatever punishment they get when they return if they return. Some nations will turn a blind eye towards it in cases like thse, and many doesnt have such a law to begin with.

What are you afraid of, that russia will attack south korea because some koreans went to ukraine? They would have to declare war on half the world if so. People of other nationalities fighting under no flag is nothing new and happens all the time. Russia would know as they are themselves experts on this and something they do all the time, difference being its often sanctioned and planned by the government when they do it.

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there is a reason i said he would be considered a terrorist if Ukrain wasn't in Europe. Poeple who went to fight in 3rd world countries like Syria, Palestine and Iraq were considered terrorists even if they had the exact same sentiments as this man. you do realise that that was the point of my original post right? so your telling me that countless people from allover the world did the same doesn't really prove anything.

the other point of my post is, yes, as long as your country wasn't targetted then you're pretty much an agressor and that's why countries ban this practice.

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he is south korean, russia didn't provoke HIM.

We had plenty soldiers from foreign nations here during WW II helping our people fight to get freedom even after it was won in their countries and they could have returned to their homes yet they didn't

Were these people terrorists too?

As I said I don't like foreigners going to fight to Ukraine but you need to realise how dangerous the situation is for us here too , so I understand why some people feel a need to go there and Im not talking about posers like this guy from SK

It's a very difficult issue and it's anything but black and white

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We had plenty soldiers from foreign nations here during WW II helping our people fight to get freedom even after it was won in their countries and they could have returned to their homes yet they didn't

Were these people terrorists too?

As I said I don't like foreigners going to fight to Ukraine but you need to realise how dangerous the situation is for us here too , so I understand why some people feel a need to go there and Im not talking about posers like this guy from SK

It's a very difficult issue and it's anything but black and white

that was a world war and i bet those people had had a common enemy before their countires won their own battles. the bit about being considered terrorists isn't my opinion, it is a fact. people that went to fight in Syria from my country are considered terrorists everywhere. fact is, no matter how noble and justified those actions might look to the person doing them, from an official perspective they are conducting unprompted military actions against a foreign country's army.

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that was a world war and i bet those people had had a common enemy before their countires won their own battles. the bit about being considered terrorists isn't my opinion, it is a fact. people that went to fight in Syria from my country are considered terrorists everywhere. fact is, no matter how noble and justified those actions might look to the person doing them, from an official perspective they are conducting unprompted military actions against a foreign country's army.

Okay if we don't want to compare II WW and Ukraine let's not compare Syria and Ukraine either as it is a very different situation too

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Okay if we don't want to compare II WW and Ukraine let's not compare Syria and Ukraine either as it is a very different situation too

alright.

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alright.

To lighten the mood, I love your Huacheng aesthetic

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there is a reason i said he would be considered a terrorist if Ukrain wasn't in Europe. Poeple who went to fight in 3rd world countries like Syria, Palestine and Iraq were considered terrorists even if they had the exact same sentiments as this man. you do realise that that was the point of my original post right? so your telling me that countless people from allover the world did the same doesn't really prove anything.

the other point of my post is, yes, as long as your country wasn't targetted then you're pretty much an agressor and that's why countries ban this practice.

Sorry, you are basically saying that if my friend is attacked and i help protect them, its okay as long as its only 1 guy attacking, but if its 100 men with guns and i somehow surive im in the wrong and should be judged for it.

I guess the USA in the first and second world wars were aggressors as well then. Same for sweden in the winter war who had thousands of swedes fighting in finland even tho it was neutral on paper. By your logic the whole of europe should now be speaking german and asia would all be speaking japanese. After all no nation or people should ever help another out in need, it would be to aggresive i guess and against the "law".

I dont care what some people called them back then. In many cases yes, they were actual terrorists, like those going to fight for ISIS. Or the USA for that matter who in many cases have done and engaged in terrorism. In others they werent.

None of the above means those going right now to help defend ukraine are terrorists. When Lee geung is involved in actual terrorism ill call him a terrorist.

Terrorism: "the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective."

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Sorry, you are basically saying that if my friend is attacked and i help protect them, its okay as long as its only 1 guy attacking, but if its 100 men with guns and i somehow surive im in the wrong and should be judged for it.

I guess the USA in the first and second world wars were aggressors as well then. Same for sweden in the winter war who had thousands of swedes fighting in finland even tho it was neutral on paper. By your logic the whole of europe should now be speaking german and asia would all be speaking japanese. After all no nation or people should ever help another out in need, it would be to aggresive i guess and against the "law".

I dont care what some people called them back then. In many cases yes, they were actual terrorists, like those going to fight for ISIS. Or the USA for that matter who in many cases have done and engaged in terrorism. In others they werent.

None of the above means those going right now to help defend ukraine are terrorists. When Lee geung is involved in actual terrorism ill call him a terrorist.

Terrorism: "the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective."

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Stop making analogies with your friend, it's beyond ridiculous.

I don't know what prompted you to write a whole essay about countries getting involved in wars when that's exactly what I think should be the only scenario where civilians get to participate in wars in foreign countries. Believe me if South Korea took an official stance to send soldiers and military help to Ukraine then we won't behaving this discussion.

My stance in this matter is indiscriminate, if you normalise this then next thing we know we'll have random people attacking and bombing Russian civilians in the name of defending and helping Ukraine. That's why I'm against every and any kind of unauthorised clandestine military help from individuals. If you want to help a country in war then provide humanitarian aid or pressure your country to take an official stance toward help.

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that was a world war and i bet those people had had a common enemy before their countires won their own battles. the bit about being considered terrorists isn't my opinion, it is a fact. people that went to fight in Syria from my country are considered terrorists everywhere. fact is, no matter how noble and justified those actions might look to the person doing them, from an official perspective they are conducting unprompted military actions against a foreign country's army.

To be clear i dont think you are wrong in that many people would view it differently if it was outside of the western world / in a third world country. Im sure they would unfortunately.

But that still doesnt make me think of those going to ukraine to help defend the country are terrorists just because many racist people conflates people of color with terrorists.

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Captain Lee Geun went to Kyiv but felt like his life was threatened so he's now attempting to flee

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Stop making analogies with your friend, it's beyond ridiculous.

I don't know what prompted you to write a whole essay about countries getting involved in wars when that's exactly what I think should be the only scenario where civilians get to participate in wars in foreign countries. Believe me if South Korea took an official stance to send soldiers and military help to Ukraine then we won't behaving this discussion.

My stance in this matter is indiscriminate, if you normalise this then next thing we know we'll have random people attacking and bombing Russian civilians in the name of defending and helping Ukraine. That's why I'm against every and any kind of unauthorised clandestine military help from individuals. If you want to help a country in war then provide humanitarian aid or pressure your country to take an official stance toward help.

Well, If south korea took an official stance we'd be having a very shortlived ww3 before the nuclear bombs start dropping.

Bombing and attacking russian civilians would be actual terrorism, just like what russians are currently doing in ukraine. The volunteers are going to ukraine to defend against the russian military, not to kill russian civilians, because there are none to kill in ukraine. Now will it create a higher risk of terrorism against russia? Maybe, but that would be a risk worth taking considering thousands are dying by the day with many more suffering in ukraine.

I get your viewpoint and you seem consistent in it, even if i dont agree with it personally.

Stupid decision

hes sorta cute

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Well, If south korea took an official stance we'd be having a very shortlived ww3 before the nuclear bombs start dropping.

Bombing and attacking russian civilians would be actual terrorism, just like what russians are currently doing in ukraine. The volunteers are going to ukraine to defend against the russian military, not to kill russian civilians, because there are none to kill in ukraine. Now will it create a higher risk of terrorism against russia? Maybe, but that would be a risk worth taking considering thousands are dying by the day with many more suffering in ukraine.

I get your viewpoint and you seem consistent in it, even if i dont agree with it personally.

Stop arguing with them they don't understand the seriousness of the real world. Many wars were fought this way from ancient times to WW1 and 2 when nations and certain people=Jews were fighting for freedom and the right to exist

Nobody cried crocodile tears about it, because it was seen as the right thing to do. Nowadays you get a bunch fools cry about laws this that fuck that bullshit!. Just because something is legal or illegal doesn't make it right or moral and for people wanting to cite law, remember jew concentration camps were legal, slavery was legal genocide was legal. What currency happens in Russia is legal= Gulags, protesting is illegal now so is criticism of the military something that wasn't illegal until this war. Now does some fool want to talk about fucking laws again?🤡🤡

This whole thing feels performative.

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This whole thing feels performative.

If he comes back with a purple heart or a few cross outs on his rifle then it won't be

Users here need to get familiar with the statement " Someone's terrorists are someone else's freedom fighters"

There is a reason its considered treason for a country's nationals to fight for foreign armies. Once they go there, their government cant monitor their actions and they might cross lines of human rights. Hence the blanket ban exist. If it did not exist, alot of ISS fighters would have been coming back to Europe and NA to live comfortably now.