LSM is poor 
Yes, everyone noticed it
Big events like award shows and year end festivals are such a great opportunity to catch the eyes of new people and make new fans. I don't know why SM keeps letting this opprtunity slip right through their fingers. They used to make good work of the big size of their lineup and always produce fun collaboration stages or at the very least actually invest in their artists individual stages.
the stages were beyond disappointing
mid tier company
LSM's money is in Cayman's izland
LSM's money is in Cayman's izland
Did u see u were nominated for abs year end awards 
For EXO they just took their concert set and put it at award shows in 2018
It made me so mad.
I mean yes those were expensive and good but what a cop out. Also it’s so hard to get into con why ARE YOU SHOWING IT FOR FREE ON TV BYE
Tbh NCT have not had a stage like this (neither have EXO in a long time)
Where is this effort eye-
We all noticed.
Display MoreFor EXO they just took their concert set and put it at award shows in 2018
It made me so mad.
I mean yes those were expensive and good but what a cop out. Also it’s so hard to get into con why ARE YOU SHOWING IT FOR FREE ON TV BYE
Tbh NCT have not had a stage like this (neither have EXO in a long time)
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Where is this effort eye-
They did that to SJ too, they used the stage set from their tour at the time for their MAMA stage and what's even worse is the tour stages were actually directed by Eunhyuk and Shindong thesemlves 
u know those performances on award/year end shows and music shows dont bring in money for a group and company.
so I dont really care about them, its a job without getting any money in the end.
they probably have other schedules to focus on (that actually bring in the money).
First of all, as fans we shouldn't be dismissing shortcomings just because a particular event might not bring the company of our faves' enough money. It's not our money anyway.
Second, like i said in my other post, these shows provide great exposure because many people tune in either to watch their faves or out of curiosity, which means lots of potential fans. This will translate in profit if done right.
And finally, SM used to invest in such occasions.
First of all, as fans we shouldn't be dismissing shortcomings just because a particular event might not bring the company of our faves' enough money. It's not our money anyway.
Second, like i said in my other post, these shows provide great exposure because many people tune in either to watch their faves or out of curiosity, which means lots of potential fans. This will translate in profit if done right.
And finally, SM used to invest in such occasions.
no need to attack me. lol
I just have a different opinion on those things.
you might see it as a shortcoming, but thats not the case for me as I focus more on the actual performance (vocal and dance performance). I dont care about props, I want to see the group and their performance.
also, saying "its not my money anyways" is highly offensive against the groups.
its not the companies money alone, your idols also get paid nothing for those performances in the end.
so I can understand why bigger companies focus more on other schedules instead.
and to be honest, if it doest pay enough, I rather see them at other events.
you also need to realize that bigger companies like sm dont need the attention from those events.
The money better be used at SMtown concert 
Display Moreno need to attack me. lol
I just have a different opinion on those things.
you might see it as a shortcoming, but thats not the case for me as I focus more on the actual performance (vocal and dance performance). I dont care about props, I want to see the group and their performance.
also, saying "its not my money anyways" is highly offensive against the groups.
its not the companies money alone, your idols also get paid nothing for those performances in the end.
so I can understand why bigger companies focus more on other schedules instead.
and to be honest, if it doest pay enough, I rather see them at other events.
you also need to realize that bigger companies like sm dont need the attention from those events.
i wasn't attacking you, i was only disagreeing with what you said.
I don't understand why we should care about idols' money, let them worry about that themselves, it is literally none of our business, besides, you have no idea how they feel about it. If you are trying to say that idols support the company's decision not to invest in their year end shows' stages then i am simply going to disagree with you because that's illogical.
And from what i could see, this is an SM thing, not a "all bigger companies" things, besides, like what i said before SM actually used to invest and produce better year end stages before.
u know those performances on award/year end shows and music shows dont bring in money for a group and company.
so I dont really care about them, its a job without getting any money in the end.
they probably have other schedules to focus on (that actually bring in the money).
Lol what does bringing in money have anything to do with anything. Award show performances bring in so many views on social media. You can’t even quantify impact like that. The fans you convert with these clips that people share on social media are the ones who Will eventually visit your concert. This is called common sense.
Fans pay a zillion dollars in album sales merch and concerts etc. They deserve good performances and content in ALL shows.
I want every single performance to be high quality. Because the group is high quality and they don’t deserve any low quality performances
Best DONT send your idol. That’s completely fine by me. But nothing justifies a bad or half assed performance.
Contrary to a lot of fans, it's not something that I really care about. I was just happy to see Red Velvet performing their songs. I can understand the criticism though as I remember that SM were criticized for that too around 2018. It's becoming recurrent.
i wasn't attacking you, i was only disagreeing with what you said.
I don't understand why we should care about idols' money, let them worry about that themselves, it is literally none of our business, besides, you have no idea how they feel about it. If you are trying to say that idols support the company's decision not to invest in their year end shows' stages then i am simply going to disagree with you because that's illogical.
And from what i could see, this is an SM thing, not a "all bigger companies" things, besides, like what i said before SM actually used to invest and produce better year end stages before.
Display MoreLol what does bringing in money have anything to do with anything. Award show performances bring in so many views on social media. You can’t even quantify impact like that. The fans you convert with these clips that people share on social media are the ones who Will eventually visit your concert. This is called common sense.
Fans pay a zillion dollars in album sales merch and concerts etc. They deserve good performances and content in ALL shows.
I want every single performance to be high quality. Because the group is high quality and they don’t deserve any low quality performances
Best DONT send your idol. That’s completely fine by me. But nothing justifies a bad or half assed performance.
you know that being an idol is a job? those idols dont do this out of charity, its a job they are getting (hopefully) paid for. so how can you say that money doest matter? or that it doesnt have to do with anything?
if you had a job would you do it if you wont get paid? no, ofc not. if you had a company, would you invest in sth you wont get money back? no, ofc not. if you understood even a little bit of business, you would agree with me on that part. and as fans, ofc we should care about our idols payment. as we (the fans) pay for concerts, merch, albums etc. we do this for our idols payment, not the company. so why should I support an award show that doesnt give my idols proper props or stages? because thats not the companies fault, but that of the show. the groups actually get a time limit for the performance. mnet once cut exos performance short etc. its not like sm said "hey, lets cut exos performance 1 min shorter".
I understand why you point out the outfit problem, I do understand that part at least because its the companies responsibility, but demanding quality from a show you dont pay for as a fan is just nonsense. ofc its a different matter with concerts, because you actually pay for the ticket, so its reasonable to demand quality from it.
ofc I dont know how those idols feel about, but I know at least that my idols (shinee) see it as a job and ofc they want to earn money. they said that in interviews before. and thats a normal human thing, to get paid for your job. they want to make a living too.
so if a group wont perform on such a show for whatever reason, its fine by me. if the stage if half assed, so what? its not the idols or companies fault that those award shows play dirty in the back. all award shows are biased, we all should know by now. there are so many unfair things happening behind stage, idk if we all wanted to know about it honestly.
all I care about is my idols happiness. every fan should.
Display Moreyou know that being an idol is a job? those idols dont do this out of charity, its a job they are getting (hopefully) paid for. so how can you say that money doest matter? or that it doesnt have to do with anything?
if you had a job would you do it if you wont get paid? no, ofc not. if you had a company, would you invest in sth you wont get money back? no, ofc not. if you understood even a little bit of business, you would agree with me on that part. and as fans, ofc we should care about our idols payment. as we (the fans) pay for concerts, merch, albums etc. we do this for our idols payment, not the company. so why should I support an award show that doesnt give my idols proper props or stages? because thats not the companies fault, but that of the show. the groups actually get a time limit for the performance. mnet once cut exos performance short etc. its not like sm said "hey, lets cut exos performance 1 min shorter".
I understand why you point out the outfit problem, I do understand that part at least because its the companies responsibility, but demanding quality from a show you dont pay for as a fan is just nonsense. ofc its a different matter with concerts, because you actually pay for the ticket, so its reasonable to demand quality from it.
ofc I dont know how those idols feel about, but I know at least that my idols (shinee) see it as a job and ofc they want to earn money. they said that in interviews before. and thats a normal human thing, to get paid for your job. they want to make a living too.
so if a group wont perform on such a show for whatever reason, its fine by me. if the stage if half assed, so what? its not the idols or companies fault that those award shows play dirty in the back. all award shows are biased, we all should know by now. there are so many unfair things happening behind stage, idk if we all wanted to know about it honestly.
all I care about is my idols happiness. every fan should.
you do realise that we are not talking about idols NOT performing in these shows right? they have already perfromed so your point about wanting idols to get paid is moot. The main complaint here is about SM not providing special stages worthy of big events such as year end festivals and award shows.
Display Moreyou know that being an idol is a job? those idols dont do this out of charity, its a job they are getting (hopefully) paid for. so how can you say that money doest matter? or that it doesnt have to do with anything?
if you had a job would you do it if you wont get paid? no, ofc not. if you had a company, would you invest in sth you wont get money back? no, ofc not. if you understood even a little bit of business, you would agree with me on that part. and as fans, ofc we should care about our idols payment. as we (the fans) pay for concerts, merch, albums etc. we do this for our idols payment, not the company. so why should I support an award show that doesnt give my idols proper props or stages? because thats not the companies fault, but that of the show. the groups actually get a time limit for the performance. mnet once cut exos performance short etc. its not like sm said "hey, lets cut exos performance 1 min shorter".
I understand why you point out the outfit problem, I do understand that part at least because its the companies responsibility, but demanding quality from a show you dont pay for as a fan is just nonsense. ofc its a different matter with concerts, because you actually pay for the ticket, so its reasonable to demand quality from it.
ofc I dont know how those idols feel about, but I know at least that my idols (shinee) see it as a job and ofc they want to earn money. they said that in interviews before. and thats a normal human thing, to get paid for your job. they want to make a living too.
so if a group wont perform on such a show for whatever reason, its fine by me. if the stage if half assed, so what? its not the idols or companies fault that those award shows play dirty in the back. all award shows are biased, we all should know by now. there are so many unfair things happening behind stage, idk if we all wanted to know about it honestly.
all I care about is my idols happiness. every fan should.
Sorry too long didn’t read. You ignored that part where I said the impact of these performances is not quantifiable…it probably ends up making way more lifetime money than even concerts. I’m an exo fan because I saw their epic live stage and spent so much money on them.
award show performance make money. A lot of it.
you do realise that we are not talking about idols NOT performing in these shows right? they have already perfromed so your point about wanting idols to get paid is moot. The main complaint here is about SM not providing special stages worthy of big events such as year end festivals and award shows.
I just realized that its useless to have a discussion with you as you dont understand what I`m writing and whats I`m trying to say. 
Sorry too long didn’t read. You ignored that part where I said the impact of these performances is not quantifiable…it probably ends up making way more lifetime money than even concerts. I’m an exo fan because I saw their epic live stage and spent so much money on them.
award show performance make money. A lot of it.
if you dnt read whats the point in you answering?
I simply didnt point out the social media part because I already mentioned in my previous post that sm doesnt need the attention from those shows.
Because your entire premise is wrong. Lol.
By your logic marketing is wrong. Marketing is spending money to make more money. You spend money on things like grand stages to attract more fans which will end up making you way more money in the long run.
Just take the L on this one instead of continuing to sound silly.
that's true, i don't understand why you insist on discussing the theory of how these idols wouldn't want to perform in these shows because they won't get paid, when a- that was never in the original discussion to begin with and b- the idols we are talking about have already perfromed in these shows despite not getting paid anyway. That's literally not what we are discussing here but you are right, it is useless to keep going in circles so let's agree to disagree.
All the efforts must be going for that SMTOWN concert or whatever that is.
All the efforts must be going for that SMTOWN concert or whatever that is.
I doubt that either. From what I observed in recent years they put a lot of effort into the artists' tours but not so much on year-end shows including the SMTOWN online concert last year (it was nice but nothing like their old offline Smtowns- in efforts).
EXO had amazing and creative year end stages through the career. And even when sm was giving us nothing, they were pulling off a show with their energy and live vocals, so I used to not complain
Even with just some dancers and lipsyncing, I could feel they were having the time of their lives
I miss my exo
Display MoreEXO had amazing and creative year end stages through the career. And even when sm was giving us nothing, they were pulling off a show with their energy and live vocals, so I used to not complain
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Even with just some dancers and lipsyncing, I could feel they were having the time of their lives
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I miss my exo
EXO year end stages were a GIFT 
EXO year end stages were a GIFT
Will we ever see a group like EXO again, Tic? They are so irreplaceable to me
Will we ever see a group like EXO again, Tic? They are so irreplaceable to me
u know those performances on award/year end shows and music shows dont bring in money for a group and company.
so I dont really care about them, its a job without getting any money in the end.
they probably have other schedules to focus on (that actually bring in the money).
I agree. but what about remixes? they could have used for example Next Level (Lionclad Remix) but in a way appropriate to the current choreography. absolute minimum.. sm is just a lazy ass.
u know those performances on award/year end shows and music shows dont bring in money for a group and company.
so I dont really care about them, its a job without getting any money in the end.
they probably have other schedules to focus on (that actually bring in the money).
I have faith in Kibum for SBS gayo
Also few other year end concerts he did so far have been glamorous
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