kpop truths that people deny

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5. Your faves are not angels or innocents or babies. They're real people with unusual jobs that is highly dependent on maintaining a certain image

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Oppar and unnir don’t need saving. Please.

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7. It's just kpop. It's really not worth so much drama.

This^^^

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5. Your faves are not angels or innocents or babies. They're real people with unusual jobs that is highly dependent on maintaining a certain image.

this is what i was going to mention. fans sometimes act as if their faves are angels that fell from heaven and graced us with their presence. their job does require maintaining a well kept image for fans, so when a scandal comes out they act surprised and betrayed.

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Right? Like when they do totally normal and human things like dating and starting families. I'm sorry, fans are not their entire world. Fans are not their boy/girlfriends. Let the people have lives, dang. Be satisfied with getting such great music and performances. Isn't that enough?

sometimes i rlly do wonder whether idols regret complying with fans' wants and needs. i feel bad for them tho

1. Taste is subjective. I don't find Kai gorgeous but I know plenty people who do to the point I understand it's just my taste and not because he is not objectively handsome.

2,3. I agree but needs to be done respectfully to be perceived that way.

4,5, I agree, I hate those x is so pure posts, same goes to people just want to assume the worst from idols. They're just people, some are shitty some aren't, some are just sometimes etc

6. This discussion has more layers than people think, everyone who works on art related professions knows that sometimes we wish we could create/design freely but most times we need to carter to clients, but it doesn't mean our passion isn't into every work.

7. Yep.

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Right? Like when they do totally normal and human things like dating and starting families. I'm sorry, fans are not their entire world. Fans are not their boy/girlfriends. Let the people have lives, dang. Be satisfied with getting such great music and performances. Isn't that enough?

this^

honest to god i don't understand how people can call themselves fans of a group and then not be happy when their idol ends up being in a happy relationship??? like that's something to be happy about! this parasocial shit goes too far sometimes i swear

7. It's just kpop. It's really not worth so much drama.

it's so easy to lose sight of this sometimes. for some in different ways than others.

idk i got way off topic iudhihviehoofdji i'm sorry

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What are some kpop truths that many people don't accept or actively deny?

Here are some for me

1. Not all idols are "gorgeous". Yes, the vast majority of them are attractive, but the baseline is generally just thin and above average in terms of proportions and facial symmetry. As long as they meet that standard then makeup, styling and charisma can go a long way. Without that, plenty of idols wouldn't turn your head on the street. There's a reason that there's a "visual" position in kpop. what not all the oppas and unnies are gods and goddesses??? ridiculous!!!

2. Not everyone that disagrees with you or has a negative opinion about your faves is jealous or pressed or whatever. They could just not like that song... or group... or you. It's okay. We all have different tastes. you are either with me or against me!!!!

3. Along those lines, simply having a different opinion is not bashing or shade. People are allowed to have opinions, geez. everybody who has a different opinion than selfmate is a hater!!!!

4. You don't know your idols. It doesn't matter how much content they have or how long you have been a fan. You don't know these people. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, how close they are to their members, or what they're really like. I, LSM know my idols like the back of my hand...

5. Your faves are not angels or innocents or babies. They're real people with unusual jobs that is highly dependent on maintaining a certain image. my favs are sweet innocent babies who need to be coddled...

6. Fans and idols have a symbiotic relationship based on capitalism. Music is art, but still, at the end of the day, we're consumers and they sell a product. me and my favs have a socialistic relationship!!!!

7. It's just kpop. It's really not worth so much drama. where???? lol

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I don't know what this means, but sure :)

/s means it's sarcasm...lol

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The thing about 2,3 is that different people have different perceptions of what "respectful" is. I don't think people should be rude or excessive about their negative opinions, but there are people here who think that posters should totally pussyfoot around anything remotely negative or it's not respectful. Imo, plainly saying you don't like a song or questioning an award process isn't disrespectful. It definitely shouldn't be taken as carte blanche to attack and bully the poster that said it. I feel like I've seen more and more bullying around the forum the last few months with some posters leaving over it and usually it's over something stupid and people dogpile on them. That shouldn't happen.

I see what you mean, I do realize some people can be very aggressive and defensive and depending on the situation it will look like others are ganging up on someone, but I also have seen so many people who play dumb when being mean and when called out they don’t own up to it and when those two people meet… that’s when disaster happens lol

Idk I do tiptoe around fans out of respect because I’d prefer the same to me so, like you said, depends on personal views.

It is not compulsory to like every song a group puts out and one is not a fake fan for doing so.

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No, I meant that I didn't know what you meant with the sarcasm indicator.

my comments were sarcastic in case certain people didn't realise lol

Oh yes please!

1. K-pop companies literally do not care about problematic (esp. from a western-centric perspective) things their idols do unless the i-fans raise a HUGE stink about it.

2. Forcing yourself to like a comeback you immediately didn't like is unhealthy.

3. Photo cards and video calls are a huge reason that K-pop sales are exploding during this pandemic.

4. Some groups' streams barely grow in comparison to their sales.

5. The 4th generation overall will be overshadowed by BTS, BP, SVT, TWICE, & NCT until someone scores a major achievement internationally.

6. CJE&M survival show privilege is the biggest privilege in Kpop now, followed by Big 3+HYBE.

7. Charting in Korea is important, just look at how many stans complained about the MMA nominations and falsely thought their faves had good enough charting to be nominated for the MELON music awards.

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7. It's just kpop. It's really not worth so much drama.

it's so easy to lose sight of this sometimes. for some in different ways than others.

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it's so easy to fall in love with the idea of someone. i admit, i was in LOVE with J-hope back in 2013. not in the "i'm gonna marry him" way but more of a "oh my god i'll never love anyone other than him" way. and then in 2015, BTS literally saved me, so that made it a little worse and oh my god i'm going off on a tangent

but it's easy to fall in love with what's given to us. just face value.

and i think that's why people are so mean during scandals or these crazy stupid situations. they're attached to this idea that maybe they'll end up with their idol, and they won't. i know most of the people feeling that way are so young and they think they'll never love anyone else. i could sit here and say "well you should fall in love with someone and be happy because it's what your idol wants" but we don't know what's in their brains- and we shouldn't. we never know what anyone is truly thinking at the end of the day- even ourselves sometimes.

and one day we come across a real love. one in real life that will make you and break you. for me, it was my boyfriend leaving for the military and never coming back.

once you experience that painful, breathtaking, devastating kind of love- there's no going back to that blind acceptance and that weird one-way street with a superstar. instead you just look at your idols with a different kind of love. a respectful one with boundaries. a love where you hope they get married and be happy because it's what they deserve- and what you deserve.

(obviously i'm not saying get your heart broken, but i am saying, fall in love with people irl, but more importantly, yourself if you can)

you just kinda grow up in that sense

(this is not directed at you or anything i'm just writing and shit ahhh)

idk i got way off topic iudhihviehoofdji i'm sorry

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sometimes i rlly do wonder whether idols regret complying with fans' wants and needs. i feel bad for them tho

This is from the person who runs the YT channel Popsori, he is a former journo who has covered kpop groups in S.Korea

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From my experience covering the K-pop industry, half the idols love the attention from fan worship, while the other half absolutely hate it. The problem is that both the idols and labels know not to "bite that hand that feeds them’; namely, the fans that spend a ton of money on them.

So the idols put up with fans, while the labels actively encourage it to make more money and get more branding from a ton of fans.

| think the labels do manage the life of an idol as a consumable. They make sure their idols are always friendly -you should see what a lot say behind closed doors, which aren't all nice -they're always happy, and personable. The labels, in turn, make sure the idols are perfect in every way possible, while hiding as many scandals and bad upbringings the idols may have.

It's a tough situation, since this obsessed, idol worship also had a big part of making K-pop huge today. But at the same time, it's very unhealthy. | hope they dont have to do what China did with cracking down on fandoms and people realize that idol worship is bad on their own

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I mean, any reasonable person knows that this is the case right? Idols are regular people and their image is as much of a product as their music. While there are a ton of us that stan for the music and have a healthy view of reality, the bread and butter of kpop marketing are the fans that are overly emotionally invested enough to mass buy, stream, and do free promo for their faves. This is why most groups won't do anything to call out toxic behavior of their really obsessed stans. Enjoy the music and the performances and even the content. It's a great and enjoyable hobby. But don't make kpop your life and don't idolize these completely normal (besides their talent) people. Don't put them up on a pedestal and you won't be disappointed when they're eventually revealed to be normal folk and they fail to meet your widely unreasonable expectations.

Well I get a lot of flack for pointing out that the origin of the word "fan" is fanatic ..

And that kind of obsession is best for only family, faith or nation and even then can get unhealthy.

So enjoying the music, analyzing data, trends etc. Admiring their art, career should be enough.

But that's a very minority view.

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well but some companies they DO market their idols as all those things we agree they might not be.

and they MARKET THEM HARD.

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Oh yeah, they totally do. This industry is built on marketing that encourages fanatical devotion and obsessive behavior. They have zero desire to fix things for their idols because it will affect their bottom line.

they are the food on the table baby

please don´t on the fans image of their perfect sweethearts

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idk man, you have impeccable taste and good takes!

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I wish I could give your rant a "best answer".

ahhhh thank you so much!

i was scared i had gotten too personal or too deep but i've shared a lot on here already and usually i expect my rants to lowkey get buried

either way, it means a lot n ily!

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What are some kpop truths that many people don't accept or actively deny?

Here are some for me

1. Not all idols are "gorgeous". Yes, the vast majority of them are attractive, but the baseline is generally just thin and above average in terms of proportions and facial symmetry. As long as they meet that standard then makeup, styling and charisma can go a long way. Without that, plenty of idols wouldn't turn your head on the street. There's a reason that there's a "visual" position in kpop.

2. Not everyone that disagrees with you or has a negative opinion about your faves is jealous or pressed or whatever. They could just not like that song... or group... or you. It's okay. We all have different tastes.

3. Along those lines, simply having a different opinion is not bashing or shade. People are allowed to have opinions, geez.

4. You don't know your idols. It doesn't matter how much content they have or how long you have been a fan. You don't know these people. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, how close they are to their members, or what they're really like.

5. Your faves are not angels or innocents or babies. They're real people with unusual jobs that is highly dependent on maintaining a certain image.

6. Fans and idols have a symbiotic relationship based on capitalism. Music is art, but still, at the end of the day, we're consumers and they sell a product.

7. It's just kpop. It's really not worth so much drama.

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