Magi is so vulgar and disgusting

I'm... not surprised. There are some twisted stuff in anime and manga.

I do want to check this out. I mean, it sounds gross, but kind of interesting as well.

at least It not of Redo of a Healer

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Kekekekeke I don’t think I’ve watched this one and I’ll… stay away?

yes there to much r word (can't say it)

look away

And the people who think the molesting of women in Magi is ok probably hates it

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A ten year old boy molesting and sexually assaulting the women in the show and it’s shown so casually.

And it’s not suggestive type it’s out right shown. He fondles their breasts and in one scene he even is shown to lick down below.

Like how on earth is Japanese anime so removed from general decency like this.

The story is actually good but it’s just so hard to get through for me.

I’ve always sort of side eyed the sexualization of teens in anime by pretending they’re aged up in my head. But when you show a ten year who actually looks like a child molesting it’s just so unbearable.

Sigghhhh. Have you guys watched this one? The story is actually good. But man is it hard to watch.

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A lot of it is excused because the character is a kid but yeah...

Reminds me of this new isekai anime which came out this year that has the most disgusting mc who is an actual pedophile but weebs excuse it because its just the author portraying a "normal flawed human". It sucks because the story is so good but the mc... (anime is called mushoku tensei)

I think we should start blaming anime consumers who actually enjoy this content.

Just watch Adventure of Sinbad. That one is much much better.

I will be honest and say that Sinbad was the reason why I started watching Magi

@Sweet-Spice did you read manga?

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A ten year old boy molesting and sexually assaulting the women in the show and it’s shown so casually.

And it’s not suggestive type it’s out right shown. He fondles their breasts and in one scene he even is shown to lick down below.

Like how on earth is Japanese anime so removed from general decency like this.

The story is actually good but it’s just so hard to get through for me.

I’ve always sort of side eyed the sexualization of teens in anime by pretending they’re aged up in my head. But when you show a ten year who actually looks like a child molesting it’s just so unbearable.

Sigghhhh. Have you guys watched this one? The story is actually good. But man is it hard to watch.

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It has been a long time since I have watched Magi but isnt he an ancient being from a different plane of existence.

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No. He is from a different dimension. But he is a 10 year old boy. Not thousand year old. At least from what I’ve seen.

Ahh, well then that is def frowned upon in western morals.

I'm not a puritan and I don't think depiction in art and fiction of immoral things is crime or should be banned.

Just don't watch it if you don't like it, but don't try to change it or force other people from being able to watch it.

I don't know anything about anime. I looked this up and it looks like it's aimed at children??? Like it doesn't look like Akira or Ghost in the Shell.

So like.

Why.

Also would it be okay for him to molest women if he was actually a thousand years old?

And ALSO isn't there a difference between depicting "immoral" things and normalising them as "boys will be boys" and then laughing about it?

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It’s not frowned up on in “western” moral. It’s frowned upon. Period. why on earth did you put western in quotes like a child molesting women is acceptable in any part of the world.

Idk what you mean by “force”. Just because the artist has the freedom to express doesn’t mean he’s free from the consequence of those actions. And criticism is he consequence of expression.

AKP being creepy day 9393929229.

It is acceptable in some parts of the world sadly.

And it is fine to have criticism. I just strongly disagree when people try to ban fictional things on the bases of their feelings being hurt or that it will corrupt society etc.

It is the same argument that institutions like the Catholic Church had in the middle ages when they banned books, or that the Nazis did when they burn them.

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It is acceptable in some parts of the world sadly.

And it is fine to have criticism. I just strongly disagree when people try to ban fictional things on the bases of their feelings being hurt or that it will corrupt society etc.

It is the same argument that institutions like the Catholic Church did in the middle ages when they banned books, or that the Nazis did when they burn them.

Don't think anyone in this thread said anything about banning anything.

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Don't think anyone in this thread said anything about banning anything.

Yes, but I think Japanese authors/artists (well all authors and artists) should have the freedom to write and publish what they want.

So I'm just disagreeing with moral alarmists based off of principle.

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You’re confusing many things. Criticism on an online forum or to warn people away from such stuff. Is not the same thing as a powerful institution taking action.

The fact that you randomly brought up that argument is so weird and is like you’re excusing such behavior.

Man dude bros comparing criticism of sexually assaulting women in anime to Nazis banning books.

Just say you hate women and go. And also please add me to your block list if it’s possible.

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If you want to have a deluded take about hating women than go for it.

You are part of the problem, you enable institutions to have power to censor.

You sound like someone on the religious right.

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Yes, but I think Japanese authors/artists (well all authors and artists) should have the freedom to write and publish what they want.

So I'm just disagreeing with moral alarmists based off of principle.

"Moral alarmists"?

Just looks like you're boxing strawmen tbh.

I don't think expressing disgust at the depiction of a child molesting women for comedy is moral alarmism. I think it's a pretty reasonable and logical critique over something that is hard to defend.

I mean it IS hard to defend, right?

Which is why the only defence is... "Free speech"

And not,

"Well, it is justified based on this:"

Right?

So what does that tell us about the effect of the inclusion of that element in the work? Or how it impacts the artistic integrity of the whole?

Should we not be asking for good art, instead of shit art that compromises its own tone and ideology to pander to creeps or make childish jokes?

Which is to say, sure, they can write and publish what they want, and we can write and publish what we want responding to it,

But at the end of the day, there's a reason novelists have editors.

You're talking about Aladin

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"Moral alarmists"?

Just looks like you're shadowboxing strawmen tbh.

I don't think expressing disgust at the depiction of a child molesting women for comedy is moral alarmism. I think it's a pretty reasonable and logical critique over something that is hard to defend.

I mean it is hard to defend, right?

Which is why the only defence is... "Free speech"

And not,

"Well, it is justified based on this:"

Right?

So what does that tell us about the effect of the inclusion of that element in the work? Or how it impacts the artistic integrity of the whole?

Should we not be asking for good art, instead of shit art that compromises its own tone and ideology to pander to creeps or make childish jokes?

Which is to say, sure, they can write and publish what they want, and we can write and publish what we want responding to it,

But at the end of the day, there's a reason novelists have editors.

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Could be, what is your take on the whole thing. So I can understand your position?

I did not mean to put words in your mouth if you don't think them.

"I don't think expressing disgust at the depiction of a child molesting women for comedy is moral alarmism. I think it's a pretty reasonable and logical critique over something that is hard to defend."

I agree with you here that it is unsavory. I don't like stuff like that either which is why I could not finish Seven Deadly Sins (an anime on Netflix).

"Should we not be asking for good art, instead of shit art that compromises its own tone...."

I disagree with the first part of this in that there is a such thing as subjective good art and bad art. It really just depends on the person.

I probably just misunderstood, my point is criticism is fine but censorship is not. If you guys just don't like it then I don't disagree with that.

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Nice try.

Your argument held no relevance to present discourse. And will only be brought by incels and misogynists. If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck. Well.

If you don’t want to be labeled like that then don’t behave like that.

Never interact with me again. If possible. I beg.

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I don't care what you label me with. That does not change the fact that I know it is not true. I will interact on what threads and with what people I want to.

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That’s what bigots usually say. They are not much self aware. But I only pity ppl like that. So good day to you.

New block feature works wonderfully. So actually I don’t have to interact with you.

It is fine, I pitty you. Your the bigot here.

I think it is one of greatest manga i ever read.

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I think it is one of greatest manga i ever read.

It is okay, I think there are a lot better ones imo.

If you like it though more power to you.

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Could be, what is your take on the whole thing. So I can understand your position?

I don't have a take on it; I've not seen it, and will never see it, because I don't watch anime or have any interest in it.

I was just pointing out,

In the first instance, that you were arguing against something that hadn't been expressed (IE: censorship);

In the second instance, that nobody here was coming across as a moral alarmist.

On the subject of good art vs. bad art, subjectivity will only take you so far. I always find "*shrug* it's subjective" to be a really lazy argument.

Lets say you've made this emotional scene where a character is describing some past trauma and the music swells and the audience is expected to shed tears.

But the character is dressed in assless chaps where the camera lingers.

You now have two different intents. Those intents conflict, and one or the other has been compromised. This is an objective flaw.

Just like it is an objective flaw of a Sarah Brand song that she cannot sing in key.

How it relates to this specific anime, I can't say. Is the character in question the protagonist? Is he supposed to be some bright eyed beacon of optimism and positivity? Who just happens to molest women?

Outside of any discussion of normalisation or whatever,

If THAT was true (and I'm not saying it is), it's obviously an objective flaw.

Which art can have, which is why art criticism exists.