Why do people act like their family was offended when something is said about their fandom?

Maybe because they have close friends in said fandom?

Most people get mad about fandom generalizations though, which I think is a valid thing to be mad about.

Probably because a fandom is sorta like a family I guess. Some people may feel a close connection with others of that said group, so therefore they feel the need to stand up for them. I do agree with the whole generalization thing. It tends to blow a lot of things out of proportion, because it’s simply not true. Just because one person of that fandom may be a certain way, doesn’t mean the whole fandom is like that.

I find generalisations lazy, petty, and childish and I resent people being rude about an *entire group* of wildly different people just to try to score points (and it is ALWAYS just to try to score points). I think the same whether it is someone behaving that way towards my fandom or any other fandom.

It’s just poor, poor form.

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it's usually not one person which makes a person to call out the whole fandom. Some kpop fans attack artists over a collab with their faves and say he/she is using them for clout. It's done in groups. Either that artist's IG comment section would be filled with hate comments. A hashtag would trend on twitter or make tweets with 100k likes. It can upset the said artist and they form a generalization on that fandom.

I think I understand what you’re talking about actually. I’ve seen that happen a lot of times, but it’s usually for a reason. Not saying that there is ever a reason to accuse a singer of using someone for clout, but when that artist is deliberately ignoring the other artist’s role in the success of the collab, and not even mentioning them once, people are going to be upset. I do think that the hashtags and the tweets are waaaay too unnecessary, and really uncalled for. Same with the hate on IG comments.

Kpop fandoms can be a bit cult-like.

The downside of idols being humble and thanking their fans is that they start to genuinely think their idols success is theirs and the idols experiences = their experiences. Insulting the fandom= insulting the group

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this post is not about me. I had some celebrities who were attacked by kpop fans for collaborating with kpop idols in mind. They are accused of using the kpop idol for clout when that could not be the case. Some of those artists probably do like and respect the kpop idol. In this case, they are the victim from fandom's hate.

It doesn’t make any real difference what your motivation was. Generalisation of behaviour is still lazy. Fans who act like that are responsible for their own behaviour and should be held accountable as individuals. Their behaviour will not be representative of the whole group/fandom, or of your average fan.

If you lump all people in together with the actions of a few, most people will be peeved about it.

coz maybe they consider the fandom their family. tbh I find it a bit extreme just coz we listen to the same music and like the same group doesn't mean we have a family-like relationship.

Some are just easily triggered. They don’t need to take it so seriously or personally.

because kpop fandoms are like cults

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It's usually done in groups though. Do you really expect the celebrity to remember all those 100k accounts? of course they would not. In that case, accusing the fandom as a whole is better way to call out those toxic people.

Nah, you call out the group of toxic people (or more likely just criticise toxic behaviour in general, without naming names and risking further petty fights) and don’t tar all people with the same brush.

People who r mad at generalizations forget that it came from somewhere. It's an observation about a group of people and it's mostly not wrong. Big fandoms absolutely toxic.

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People who r mad at generalizations forget that it came from somewhere. It's an observation about a group of people and it's mostly not wrong. Big fandoms absolutely toxic.

Well, that’s the thing, isn’t it?! There is toxic/crappy behaviour in every fandom, in every corner of the internet, from music, to sports, to tv shows, to film franchises...

so call out the behaviour for what it is, don’t generalise every member of a fandom for the behaviour of some, or try to name and shame a whole fandom to win points or perpetuate fan wars. It’s pretty simple.

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Well, that’s the thing, isn’t it?! There is toxic/crappy behaviour in every fandom, in every corner of the internet, from music, to sports, to tv shows, to film franchises...

so call out the behaviour for what it is, don’t generalise every member of a fandom for the behaviour of some, or try to name and shame a whole fandom to win points or perpetuate fan wars. It’s pretty simple.

But that's what a generalization is. Its what it is. Nothing can be done. Especially if people have had bad experience with a fandom.

I have another question... why are some people so obsessed with the concept of fandoms that's it's 90% what they talk about on the internet?

Western fandoms, sport fandoms, anime fandoms, kpop fandoms... all are toxic. People have a problem when due to "personal" experience someone highlights the shitty attitude of one, while ignoring the others.

Western stans saying kpop fans are toxic while doing the same shit... kpop stans saying they hate an act because of their fandom while being a part of another toxic fandom themselves!

Sorry, but no one is important enough that we start seeing the world through their obsessed, rose tinted glasses to cancel our own experiences... just because they are loud and cry harder, all the time.

I barely see anybody use logic when talking about a fandom. It's all the same stuff and the same stupid generalisations. To be metaphorical, fandoms are like the yin and yang; there are nice people within a fandom and toxic people within a fandom. (This applies to all fandoms, not just kpop fandoms)

Denying this means you've done no research or even have an idea what you're talking about.

For the reasons above, I totally understand why a kpop stan can get pissed when someone is unfairly generalising their fandom. Especially if they seem to not be in the right state of mind.

Generalising a fandom or even anything is unfair and ignorant. Kpop stans have every right to be mad.

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It's not a valid thing to be mad about. When someone says something about a fandom, they usually have toxic side of the fandom in mind. And the toxic group is more loud and have a huger presence online.

When people talk about generalisations in this context, they mean people who speak about kpop fandoms as if they're ALL toxic (Which is stupid). Yes, they do have the toxic fandoms in mind, but they're ignoring the nice people within fandoms.

This is a totally valid thing to be mad about. Imagine you meet someone new, they find out you're a kpop stan and then become unintertested in you because they think you're toxic. Despite you being nice, they think that all kpop stans are toxic and that includes you. That's pretty messed up right?

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When people talk about generalisations in this context, they mean people who speak about kpop fandoms as if they're ALL toxic (Which is stupid). Yes, they do have the toxic fandoms in mind, but they're ignoring the nice people within fandoms.

This is a totally valid thing to be mad about. Imagine you meet someone new, they find out you're a kpop stan and then become unintertested in you because they think you're toxic. Despite you being nice, they think that all kpop stans are toxic and that includes you. That's pretty messed up right?

I like your answer the best

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It's usually done in groups though. Do you really expect the celebrity to remember all those 100k accounts? of course they would not. In that case, accusing the fandom as a whole is better way to call out those toxic people.

Imagine this scenario.

You're in class and two shitty kids start causing trouble. Keep in mind, it's only two kids... Yet the teacher decides to give the entire class detention though the majority of the kids, including you, were obiedient. You'd get pissed off right?

With this logic.. It's always better to call out those who were being toxic instead of speaking for the entire fandom. If not, the nice ones would feel like they're being nice for nothing.

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I like your answer the best

Thanks

I kinda needed to get that off my chest.

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nobody acts like that irl. I only question fandoms who defend the toxic behaviour who say we didn't do it. I mean sure, you didn't do it but don't defend it by saying "I didn't see that" or "it's only a 1% of the fandom, just ignore it". Fandoms online are usually toxic when we see the majority.

We should still be giving credit to the nice ones within fandoms nonetheless. Being negative our entire lives isn't going to get us anywhere.

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you did make a point. The only thing I would disagree with the part where you said "it's 90% what they talk about on the internet". That's a reach!

I would have said 98 percent in case of some people. They spend more time talking about how a specific fandom is toxic and try to make others say the same, then they spend talking about their fav artist.

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you are right. I agree. But it's usually not one kid when it comes to fandoms online. It's more like 15 out of 40 kids cause trouble. That's still a huge number.

This is such a reach on all levels. I’ll use my fandom as an example

BTS gets 2M-3M likes on tweets

Toxic tweets on Twitter gets less than 10k likes. That’s less than one percent of the fandom so why should the 99.9% be dragged?