Yep..same with Joy when she complained and she ended up renewing as well. Some are assuming its because SM owns all of her music catalogs and it'll be tough for her to regain them.
Taeyeon: "I hate this stupid company so much."
Also Taeyeon: "Where do I sign?"
Source?
Yep..same with Joy when she complained and she ended up renewing as well. Some are assuming its because SM owns all of her music catalogs and it'll be tough for her to regain them.
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Music catalog is not a problem as long as you don't leave with bad term.
Many ex-SM artists are still singing their old songs, they just have to negotiate a percentage cut for SM.
Source?
I don't know, maybe the countless examples of her publicly complaining about them?
I don't know, maybe the countless examples of her publicly complaining about them?
Except it's not the same as hate.
When you hate something you won't want to work with them. But she has countless examples of praising SM as the best place.
at this point, it's just stockholm syndrome.
It's not hard to understand.
She said SM is the best place many times, the news further proves this.
Complaining about some aspects are not hate. No company is perfect, pointing out to improve later is normal thing to do.
Other than her fans no one believes she’s suffering at SM not even she does lol.
Her antis also believe it with the way they interpret everything she said about SM.
She said SM is the best place many times
When?
She complain a lot yes
But i think she also feel great in SM
The fact that she's complaining about them just prove she's in a place where she know she speak her mind without having to fear for some punishment
Also Taeyeon speak a lot about how she hate Music show
And i doubt another company would be okay with her not promoting her song on music show to help her achieve better commercial success
So i think it's another reason why she stay, cuz SM respect her desire to not promote there
Someone with sense !
Do after all complaining she signed renewal. Surprising, but then again other companies would want her to go and perform in music shows which she doesn't like to do.
I'll never understand big idols complaining every other day about their company and then renewing and renewing while complaining again and again.
Whatever mess up happens at her future releases or tour,she knew it.
I'll never understand big idols complaining every other day about their company and then renewing and renewing while complaining again and again.
Whatever mess up happens at her future releases or tour,she knew it.
Some of you are really weird, i swear
You need to go out and learn life
No working environment is perfect
So of course every worker complain sometimes about things here and there that they consider need to change
Doesn't mean they want to go see somewhere else
It's not because a place isn't perfect that you necessarily want to go somewhere else
She have build a trust relationship with SM over the years
They let her take vacation when she wants
They let her have a full control about the type of song she want to have in her album
They let her not promote her music on music show because she don't like music show
She complain 2 times last year doesn't change the fact that on the other side she have plenty of privilege
And complaining help raise issue that she have and force SM to take the right measure
So yes i hope she continue to complain to raise issue for SM to do better in the futur
And she keep renew her contract in a place where she feel good
Both of you are the type of fan that keep saying that idols should speak up and don't stay quiet when they don't like something
And then you want her to stay quiet and not talk about it when she's unhappy with a situation
She can be mad with certain situation and prefer to stay then go out here and sign with a company who will scam her and not pay her or will let her do her things once every 3 years 😑😑😑
Display MoreSome of you are really weird, i swear
You need to go out and learn life
No working environment is perfect
So of course every worker complain sometimes about things here and there that they consider need to change
Doesn't mean they want to go see somewhere else
It's not because a place isn't perfect that you necessarily want to go somewhere else
She have build a trust relationship with SM over the years
They let her take vacation when she wants
They let her have a full control about the type of song she want to have in her album
They let her not promote her music on music show because she don't like music show
She complain 2 times last year doesn't change the fact that on the other side she have plenty of privilege
And complaining help raise issue that she have and force SM to take the right measure
So yes i hope she continue to complain to raise issue for SM to do better in the futur
And she keep renew her contract in a place where she feel good
Both of you are the type of fan that keep saying that idols should speak up and don't stay quiet when they don't like something
And then you want her to stay quiet and not talk about it when she's unhappy with a situation
She can be mad with certain situation and prefer to stay then go out here and sign with a company who will scam her and not pay her or will let her do her things once every 3 years 😑😑😑
Naur, if for her to be "heard" she needs to complain on sns idk what trust relationship this is and she is big enough to sign at any label and be treated good or open her own company so the excuses aren't convincing.
In the end maybe SME isn't as bad as she makes them out to be for her which isn't a surprise to anybody, just for her and her fans maybe.
You don't get it. Of course we want idols to stop staying silent when things aren't going well. I think we can all agree on that. I think you agree with that too.
Now, why do I have this position regarding Taeyeon?
Because I think these complaints are misplaced. She complains, but she's resigned several times now. We're talking about an idol with immense popularity; she has much more leverage in negotiations than young girls who want to become idols.
She's turning 37. Therefore, she's perfectly capable of resolving these conflicts with SM professionally and internally, like a mature person her age, since these problems are clearly minor and don't prevent her from renewing her contract with the agency.
Of course everyone can have problems at work. But if they're minor issues, don't talk about them on social media; talk to your loved ones privately. Because right now it just looks like you're witnessing the whims of a millionaire.
I don't get why people are surprised. She has multiple reasons not to leave. Technically she can do anything at SME she wants. Sure, they messed up her tour and comeback, and she wasn't shy to speak up about that, but let's not act as if other Idols constantly praising their agencies.
Taeyeon signed with SM in 2004, that's more than 20 YEARS. For those who criticize or make fun of her, can y'all name one agency that could do everything for her better than SM? I can't.
Only JYP, YG and HYBE has the resources to handle a giant like Taeyeon, but she's not gonna sign with them, and tbh, none of these companies are better in any shape or form than SME.
She's one of the biggest female soloists of Kpop, alongside BoA and IU, and neither Taeyeon nor BoA will leave SM, that's for sure. Like it or not, SM is "family" to her, basically. Also, she's an introvert who doesn't even like to leave her home, and you think she's gonna leave the company that she's been working for since 2004? 🤣
I hate SME as much as any other sane SM group fan does, but unless they do some really shitty things to her, she's never gonna leave.
Let's not forget, if she leaves, SM might never let SNSD have another comeback. I'm 99% sure that's part of her deal too.
Yoona and Yuri are just actors, and Hyo doesn't do much, and I can't see any of them leaving SM either.
SM says they support her "to shine even more as a GLOBAL artist..."
Does this mean she's going to have a global tour? She can do really well if she does one tbh.
I can already see global means China. 🤣
I would be surprised if they give her a world tour.
Do after all complaining she signed renewal. Surprising, but then again other companies would want her to go and perform in music shows which she doesn't like to do.
MAMAMOO's Solar and Byul have been under RBW for longer than 12 years. RBW is a shithole, but they still didn't leave, even tho they complained a lot.
i-dle, especially Soyeon complained a LOT about CUBE, yet they all signed with the company. I can name many other groups, like 5050 or NewJeans, for example. After 2 or how many years of complaining and legal battles, etc., 4 of them still signed with HYBE/ADOR just like some of the 5050 members.
Taeyeon not leaving is anything but surprising, especially since she never had huge problems with SM.
Naur, if for her to be "heard" she needs to complain on sns idk what trust relationship this is and she is big enough to sign at any label and be treated good or open her own company so the excuses aren't convincing.
In the end maybe SME isn't as bad as she makes them out to be for her which isn't a surprise to anybody, just for her and her fans maybe.
Technically she only complained when SM messed up her comeback schedule and one of the tour dates.
I don't understand why people think she has no right to speak up about that. Many Idols, especially under BIG4 labels, have done the same, but only Taeyeon gets ridiculed for it, even tho 99% of those Idols are still under the same company or have signed with them multiple times.
She never said SM is bad, she was just frustrated because of what I said above.
I've seen TWICE, multiple SNSD members, EXO members, 2NE1, BP, MAMAMOO, NJ, 5050 and 100s of other groups complaining. This is nothing new.
Display MoreYou don't get it. Of course we want idols to stop staying silent when things aren't going well. I think we can all agree on that. I think you agree with that too.
Now, why do I have this position regarding Taeyeon?
Because I think these complaints are misplaced. She complains, but she's resigned several times now. We're talking about an idol with immense popularity; she has much more leverage in negotiations than young girls who want to become idols.
She's turning 37. Therefore, she's perfectly capable of resolving these conflicts with SM professionally and internally, like a mature person her age, since these problems are clearly minor and don't prevent her from renewing her contract with the agency.
Of course everyone can have problems at work. But if they're minor issues, don't talk about them on social media; talk to your loved ones privately. Because right now it just looks like you're witnessing the whims of a millionaire.
What I said above.
You're a Taeyeon fan, so you have to know she's not someone who loves to be in silent mode. She's known for being an outspoken person. She's openly dissing products, and she's not afraid of dissing her own company. That's her personality.
Messing up her comeback and canceling her tour dates is NOT a "minor issue". I've seen Moonbyul speaking up about RBW not providing her a good enough internet connection on her LIVE stream. Now, that's a minor issue.😂
Taeyeon can speak up openly on SNS for the same reason you mentioned. She's 37 and has been in this industry for 20+ years. Even SME can't stop her, she's just like BoA.
Display MoreTechnically she only complained when SM messed up her comeback schedule and one of the tour dates.
I don't understand why people think she has no right to speak up about that. Many Idols, especially under BIG4 labels, have done the same, but only Taeyeon gets ridiculed for it, even tho 99% of those Idols are still under the same company or have signed with them multiple times.
She never said SM is bad, she was just frustrated because of what I said above.
I've seen TWICE, multiple SNSD members, EXO members, 2NE1, BP, MAMAMOO, NJ, 5050 and 100s of other groups complaining. This is nothing new.
What I said above.
You're a Taeyeon fan, so you have to know she's not someone who loves to be in silent mode. She's known for being an outspoken person. She's openly dissing products, and she's not afraid of dissing her own company. That's her personality.
Messing up her comeback and canceling her tour dates is NOT a "minor issue". I've seen Moonbyul speaking up about RBW not providing her a good enough internet connection on her LIVE stream. Now, that's a minor issue.😂
Taeyeon can speak up openly on SNS for the same reason you mentioned. She's 37 and has been in this industry for 20+ years. Even SME can't stop her, she's just like BoA.
I never said she can't speak up, but if for sme to listen to her is through her speaking up on sns this says a lot about their professional relationship. Idle were also heavily criticized and BP? They literally didn't renew as soloists and just accepted to stay with YGE as a group to not waste any more time with legal battles or long hiatuses, they literally dropped a full album with tons of promos after getting out of YGE and BTS also gets criticized when they complain.
It's unprofessional if it's something that can be solved without the need of sns and specially without the need to create a pity image to the fans and make them believe you are not being treated well.
But anyways, good for her if that's what is right to her future, it's her career anyways and I think sme does a good job with her albums, she is always active imo which is rare in k-pop soloists.
I've seen Moonbyul speaking up about RBW not providing her a good enough internet connection on her LIVE stream.
Let's be clear, the subject here is Taeyeon so we're mainly talking about her, but what I'm saying applies to absolutely all idols.
I completely understand that some of you don't share my point of view at all. We have different ways of seeing things regarding idol communication, and there's really no problem with that.
To elaborate on my point of view one last time in a more general way, because after this I won't have much more to say, and I think you will have understood my point of view even if you don't agree with me.
I'm personally fed up with idols who openly complain about record companies but who, in the end, aren't so bad off at home and renew their contracts with them. Again, no worries about that, it's their career, their contract, they do what they want, I have no say in it.
However, as a fan, I follow these people and I don't claim to know the inner workings of their private lives, so when they complain, it inevitably affects me in one way or another, and in this case, as a fan, it concerns me. I'm thinking to myself, "There's a problem, it's worrying, I hope everything is alright for this idol/group that I love." (I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea.)
I simply want simpler communication in a world where we are constantly bombarded with information.
If my idol/group feels good in their company and there's a problem, which can happen anywhere, then they should resolve it internally like any normal person would.
I believe they should resort to this kind of public communication when the conflict is irreparable, to raise awareness and highlight a serious issue. Not that we fans can do anything, but to allow for collective awareness.
To summarize my thoughts in one sentence:
Stop crying wolf, because you'll end up getting no attention.
She's turning 37. Therefore, she's perfectly capable of resolving these conflicts with SM professionally and internally, like a mature person her age, since these problems are clearly minor and don't prevent her from renewing her contract with the agency.
Of course everyone can have problems at work. But if they're minor issues, don't talk about them on social media; talk to your loved ones privately. Because right now it just looks like you're witnessing the whims of a millionaire.
OMG please some of you really need to check their infos before speaking
Everytime taeyeon speak up it was minor issues yes
But she speak up because it was about her tour or her promo
And it was fans that were asking for someone to speak up about the situation and SM was staying silet (ex: the japan concert cancellation)
She's not dumb she's not speaking everytime she's mad as something
And like u said because she's not an amateur and she's a veteran
She's doing what every veteran should do
Speak up about a situation where fans are asking for informations
And she have the right to say " yeah i agree with you i'm mad at the situation too"
In contrary of hiding behind her label and staying silent everytime an issue happen
So next time you want to talk about something
Do your research
Naur, if for her to be "heard" she needs to complain on sns idk what trust relationship this is and she is big enough to sign at any label and be treated good or open her own company so the excuses aren't convincing.
In the end maybe SME isn't as bad as she makes them out to be for her which isn't a surprise to anybody, just for her and her fans maybe.
The only social media she is using is Instagram, and she hasn't been posting anything personal for awhile. All of her IG posts recently are business posts. Where do these tantrums come from?
The ones that made SME appeared bad are journalists and SM antis. She never said SM bad or anything like that, she even praised SM as the best place for her.
Can you give some examples that she openly complained about the company since last renewal around 2023?
Display MoreSome of you are really weird, i swear
You need to go out and learn life
No working environment is perfect
So of course every worker complain sometimes about things here and there that they consider need to change
Doesn't mean they want to go see somewhere else
It's not because a place isn't perfect that you necessarily want to go somewhere else
She have build a trust relationship with SM over the years
They let her take vacation when she wants
They let her have a full control about the type of song she want to have in her album
They let her not promote her music on music show because she don't like music show
She complain 2 times last year doesn't change the fact that on the other side she have plenty of privilege
And complaining help raise issue that she have and force SM to take the right measure
So yes i hope she continue to complain to raise issue for SM to do better in the futur
And she keep renew her contract in a place where she feel good
Both of you are the type of fan that keep saying that idols should speak up and don't stay quiet when they don't like something
And then you want her to stay quiet and not talk about it when she's unhappy with a situation
She can be mad with certain situation and prefer to stay then go out here and sign with a company who will scam her and not pay her or will let her do her things once every 3 years 😑😑😑
She has not built a "trust relationship" with SM if she's always complaining on social media instead of in her boss's office. That's simply not how corporate "trust relationships" work. You can tell she thinks SM doesn't respect her enough. They allow her to say whatever she wants publicly and get away with it, but that's not the same thing.
Lest we forget, SM's management has also changed relatively recently. She's not even working for the same person with whom she spent years building up a rapport.
Uh........ Okay.
That's great for her, I guess......??
Maybe they offered her more money to stay.
Yeah, I complain about my job to my mom on a weekly basis. I'm still clocking in. 
I get both sides though. Taeyeon complaining on SNS does nothing but get her fans riled up when at the end of the day, she ain't going nowhere.
And why should she? She has seniority at SM, and she probably has more say so there than she would ever have anywhere else unless she formed her own company. Her career is still going great, she releases music on a regular basis, SM has all of the resources she could ever need, and she probably even has shares in the company at this point.
Any complaints she has at SM could also happen at any other company, so why leave when she already has so much invested? Especially since she does not seem to be interested in acting or anything other than releasing music. None of the SNSD members who have left SM have had better music careers than SM could have offered them.
At this point, Taeyeon might as well become an executive at SM or join the Board of Directors lol.
I believe they should resort to this kind of public communication when the conflict is irreparable, to raise awareness and highlight a serious issue. Not that we fans can do anything, but to allow for collective awareness.
This
Idols usually go public with their issues when communication breaks down and they aren't being heard.
If Taeyeon is content being managed the way she is, she needs to find a better way to communicate with SM instead of putting them on blast a couple times a year. All this does is rile up fans and put staff in a bad position.
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