Can you be a REAL FAN of a group if some of them are minors?

For a grown man, you are extremely immature.

It's not weird until you make it weird, David.

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At least, I don't call anyone a pedo for no reason, and I'm not ignoring real problems.

No one called you a pedo but if the shoe fits, you better lace that shit up and wear it as proudly as you express your ignorant takes.

The problem is not that you're a fan or not, you can be a fan of anyone you want, the problem is the reason why you're a fan.

To be a fan is just to support that person, follow their updates, appreciate their talent and the content they release... There's nothing wrong with that.

However there's a big part of Kpop fans that get obsessed with idols in an unhealthy and sometimes creepy way, and to get obsessed like that is wrong in general, and regarding minors, even worse.

The fact that you directly relate to be a fan of someone with my 2nd example is a bit weird, I guess because we're used to this Kpop environment, but if you're a healthy fan I don't see any problem. Just like people that are fans of kids actors after watching a show they liked, or a more similar example, people that were a fan of Michael Jackson during his Jackson 5 era while supporting the full group.

Just do whatever you want and stream Day6 after

If we're talking about stanning, I kind of envisage that as, like... role models, or inspirations, or whatever.

And for the fans that consume k-pop in that way, I do think it's kind of weird to be stanning someone that much younger and with less experience than yourself.

Similarly, I don't particularly care to watch very young performers because, idk, it looks like a school talent show to me, I find it difficult to take it seriously. Like I'm not gonna watch a 15 year old perform and be like, "oh wow they're so badass", if you know what I mean. In a less k-poppified environment, they might be standing still and singing, and I'd be able to appreciate the raw talent, but that's not what k-pop is.

But when it comes to the music, who cares. It's usually the product of a middle-aged A&R team, and middle-aged music producers. And the production process does everything it can to eliminate the human performer from the equation.

Yeah, I've been into kpop since 2009 (I used to stan super junior 😑). It was inevitable the idols would become younger then us. I have had zero sexual interest in idols even when I was young so ages don't really matter. I don't even watch variety shows so personalities don't really matter to me.

i've been a fan since i was around 17, and now i am 26. if i like the music, then i like the music.. but i won't ever stan a minor idol/member tho~

No you can’t fully stan them. Casually enjoy their music, yes. If you stan them and obsesses over them you’re weird af.

Also the funny thing is people will never admit to this IRL. Imagine saying your FAVORITE GROUP OF ALL TIMES are underage and you CLOSELY follow them and their activities.

Plsssssss 😭😭

Stanning groups with minors should not go anything beyond casually listening to their music other than by other minors. If you do then you’re weird and the world will judge you for it no matter how much you cry about your “pure” intentions.

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i will casually listen but not fully stan. i have no interest in stanning minors. it's not because i sexualize everyone i stan or anything - but like, i don't know. i just don't care to get updates on what kids are doing lol... i don't want to get to know the "idol persona" of a literal child. i'm 24 so i'm still much younger than you david but i can see where it just feels weird.

it's not because of sexualization. it's because there's a... disconnect. i am so different at 24 than i was even at 18, which was just 6 years ago. when i stan a group, it's because of some sort of link/connection i feel with them. i don't feel that way with minors. so i have no interest.

also, yeah, minors in the kpop industry - hell even adults - are taken advantage of in more ways than one. i hate the fact this happens, though there is nothing i can do to stop it. all that being said, i don't think it is problematic or "gross" for adults to stan groups with minors in it. i think it's just up to personal reasons whether or not to support/stan.

Exactly this. People think it’s alright as long as it’s not “outright sexualizing” but I’m here like why are you watching behind the scenes videos of children obsessively? Like?

Didn't want to derail the other thread David33 I see more what you're saying. I still think it's up to the individual if they get weird about it Not saying you're getting weird about it because there are some concerns with the industry, so it makes sense to be cautious. I'm unsure if we can fully trust companies to make things appropriate because there can be situations where lyrics doesn't fit a group that contains minors or choreography might not be appropriate. So, it makes sense why a person doesn't want to stan but casually follow a group that has minors in it.

I think a person can still be a fan of a group that contains minors because it's kpop and 80% of groups will debut minors. Also, you don't need to follow a group intensively to be a fan. You can still be a fan of a group if you mainly enjoy the music and performance. You don't have to watch every content of a group to be considered a fan.

Lastly, I don't think we should be throwing the p word at people if they're cautious about following a group that contains minors. Also, we shouldn't throw that word around if people follow a group that contains minors.

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Lastly, I don't think we should be throwing the p word at people if they're cautious about following a group that contains minors.

Yeah, or even allude to it one way or another. I think it's very very valid for people to be wary.

People call others a pedo If they stan minors and now even If they don't too

Next time you will be a pedo by just existing and is above 30s according to kpop stans

As i grow older, I find myself cringing or disliking more of the cute/aegyo stuff that the younger generation groups like to do. I used to think it was tolerable.

I think it is very normal to focus more on their music rather than their other contents such as variety shows. In that way it is possible that we are not considered as real "stans" but I think this is just how a normal progression is as you grow up

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all that being said, i don't think it is problematic or "gross" for adults to stan groups with minors in it.

just to clarify, i don't think it's problematic only because the term "stan" is different depending on who you ask. some people consider casually listening to be stanning. it definitely is problematic and gross if you're the obsessive kind, or follow the minor member(s) closely. sexualization or not. i don't think people realize it can still be harmful to "obsess" over minors even if it isn't for a sexual reason. there are other ways to be odd to children.

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Yeah, or even allude to it one way or another. I think it's very very valid for people to be wary.

Agreed, there's genuine concern because we can't fully trust the entertainment industry. It's like when people are cautious about child actors in the film industry.

I still think you can be a fan of a group because you don't need to follow a group religiously to be considered a fan. For example, i'm a big fan of tripleS because I like their music, but I don't go out of my way really to follow all of their content because I'm mainly just there for the music. I will watch some clips of the variety of the senior member that I like. However, I'm not going out of my way for content because most variety content these days doesn't connect with me. I will watch some interviews on certain shows, but I don't really watch much variety in kpop because not fully into it and I'm not going out of my way for content.

I think there's genuine concern based on what we know about the entertainment industry. I still think a person can be a fan of a group if they're just listening to their music and watching some performances. I guess that's why people separate the words fan and stan because I consider myself a fan of a group if I mainly just enjoy their music.

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This stop being a problem for me when I started embracing my laziness and completely stopper interacting with fan content

I'll listen to music, read interviews but that's about it

BTS content? Fan apps? Reality shows? GTFO with that

Literally me.

I do wish companies wouldn't debut idols who are under 18... but overall I don't care much about their age.

If I find them talented & funny/adorable and I like their songs, then I can be a fan.

It's not complicated.

The call is still coming from inside the house. It is a you problem that you can't stan an artist without obsessing over their age due to your uncontrollable creepy tendencies.

I like the music and I like the members? I'll stan them. I don't give a fuck what other people think. That's kind of part of growing up and gaining wisdom and experience; why should I curate my hobbies based on how a bunch of irrelevant people think?

By that logic, I should've never gone to Lollapalooza in 2023 to see NewJeans, since that's just going too far and an adult should only ever just play their music and not engage otherwise.

By the way, David, you are demonstrably racist, are easily the most ignorant user on this forum and routinely derail threads with coke rants about absolutely nothing relevant to the subject matter. So I take great pleasure in the fact being called out for that has you so triggered.

I see no reason why tatiana is banned on sight, but you're allowed to overstay your welcome and ruin any thread you participate in with your idiocy.

I call creepy behavior out when I see it. That was you. Like I said, the call is still coming from inside the house.

Everybody is vibing and talking about a group's excellent music, and you come in obsessing over their birth dates. Yep, that's weird. The shoe fits.

If you're following for the art yeah sure its okay but if you're out there developing parasocial behaviours towards minors and indulging in debauchery that is slow fancams etc, yeah mate you have a problem

If a person is following a group of minors in a non sexual way, they genuinely like the idols personality, music whatever then I don't see a problem. Listen to music, buy merch , attend concerts you do you. You're a real fan (as if there's such a things a "real" fan in the first place). Unfortunately people are going to jump to conclusions if you're an adult into minors but who cares about others, they probably have their own issues to elsewhere.

However if a person is more interested for different reasons or being afraid they can't stand a minor for reasons in thir head then they probably need their hard drive checked by the police first.

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Calling me a PEDOPHILE for not stanning a group with minors is weird, to say the least. Stating I won't be a REAL FAN of a group with minors is NOT!

You can be ignorant if you want, I won't be.

Well I never said this, and aren't you a REAL FAN of Young Posse? At least you seemed to be.

Anyways, I do get what you are saying. I can understand that you don't want to stan groups with minors in it due to the way they are treated and exploited in the industry, and stanning them only encourages that to happen more.

But it does get annoying with people constantly bringing this up in any thread about groups with minors in it. "BuT tHeY hAvE MinOrs" in a chill thread discussing a new group is unnecessary. Like if people are making threads discussing visuals of these groups, sure pop off, but I just feel like people say it all the time when it's unnecessary.

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Well I never said this, and aren't you a REAL FAN of Young Posse? At least you seemed to be.

Anyways, I do get what you are saying. I can understand that you don't want to stan groups with minors in it due to the way they are treated and exploited in the industry, and stanning them only encourages that to happen more.

But it does get annoying with people constantly bringing this up in any thread about groups with minors in it. "BuT tHeY hAvE MinOrs" in a chill thread discussing a new group is unnecessary. Like if people are making threads discussing visuals of these groups, sure pop off, but I just feel like people say it all the time when it's unnecessary.

Tbh this is one case where I don’t find anything wrong with bringing it up constantly.

You can’t say “I get that they maybe ill-treated” and also at the same time argue that “we should be able to stan them in peace” these things are contradictory.

This is something that’s fundamentally wrong with kpop. And people should be able to bring it up whenever.

Now David is problematic and weird in his own right but in the principle of it his point is not wrong.

This isn't rocket science.

If a group of people are discussing a group's music, and some random guy inserts himself into the conversation and says, "Yeah, but how old are they?? Are there any minors in the group? You know I can't possibly stan a group with minors in them!", yes, that person will be treated like a damn creep, because that is creepy behavior no matter how much they attempt to present it as genuine concern for young artists.

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Tbh this is one case where I don’t find anything wrong with bringing it up constantly.

You can’t say “I get that they maybe ill-treated” and also at the same time argue that “we should be able to stan them in peace” these things are contradictory.

This is something that’s fundamentally wrong with kpop. And people should be able to bring it up whenever.

Now David is problematic and weird in his own right but in the principle of it his point is not wrong.

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So you are saying it's perfectly fine to derail any discussion about groups with minors simply because they have minors? The fundamental problem is not with minors debuting, it's with how they can be treated and exploited. I don't think it's inherently wrong to debut minors.

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So you are saying it's perfectly fine to derail any discussion about groups with minors simply because they have minors? The fundamental problem is not with minors debuting, it's with how they can be treated and exploited. I don't think it's inherently wrong to debut minors.

they should be allowed to do it, yeah.

You can’t have it both ways.

I’m team people should be uncomfortable talking about groups with minors in kpop. And if you’re truly not bothered then ignore those comments but you can’t argue for the comments not existing.

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This isn't rocket science.

If a group of people are discussing a group's music, and some random guy inserts himself into the conversation and says, "Yeah, but how old are they?? Are there any minors in the group? You know I can't possibly stan a group with minors in them!", yes, that person will be treated like a damn creep, because that is creepy behavior no matter how much they attempt to present it as genuine concern for young artists.

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The call is still coming from inside the house. It is a you problem that you can't stan an artist without obsessing over their age due to your uncontrollable creepy tendencies.

Hard disagree. Look, I know you don't like David and that is 100% valid and it's your right to feel that way. But at the same time, it is a relevant question. Especially, for example - and I'm not trying to start a whole debacle - when people were concerned over NewJeans' Cookie release. If I knew nothing about NewJeans and people were casually discussing it, I think it's fair to be like "How old are these girls?". I know that wasn't the topic of the thread in question, but even if it isn't something like Cookie, people at the end of the day (such as myself and a few other members in this thread) are NOT interested in groups with minors unless it is to casually listen to their music (or not listen to them at all). That does not make any of us creepy, it's just a personal preference of who we want to spend our time engaging with.

Assuming the worst in people who have a different perspective/opinion than your own is extremely harsh - especially when you are accusing them of being creeps who can't control themselves. This is not a black and white issue, it is very nuanced. Some of us may have childhood-related trauma (which is extreme but possible), cultural differences, or just the usual different upbringing/life experiences/perspectives. People are always going to be sympathetic and sensitive to how children are treated/engaged with - by the masses or otherwise - so people will tend to have very opinionated and differing views. And that's all of our rights. It doesn't make us creeps.

And whenever David is here, you make at least one (though oftentimes multiple) posts about him. So long as he isn't banned, he has the right to post here. If you have an issue with that, take it up with the mods. If they decide not to ban him, then oh well. I don't see the point in you posting on multiple threads that he shouldn't be here. There are not enough newcomers on this forum to essentially spam about David's poor reputation. You have the ability to block him, or you have the ability to ignore him. But you haven't done either of those things and instead choose to complain over and over again. Which, granted, is your right as you are also not banned from this forum. So I guess I am being hypocritical, as I can ignore you not ignoring him. With that, this will be the only time I mention this.