Anyone else tired of people trying to hold us accountable for toxicity on stan twitter?

    Do you agree with YamaChan's closing remarks? 18

    1. Yes (11) 61%
    2. No (7) 39%

    I'm thinking of penning an essay titled "The Toxic Tribalism of Terminally Online K-Pop Stans", because I've lost count of all the times people have tried to berate and denigrate me or my fandom(s) over "issues" that are only getting engagement on twitter/x


    Even in my most toxic era (I'm wholesome Yama now), I made it a point to distinguish when I was disgusted specifically with ARMY on twitter, ARMY on Reddit and ARMY here, and then detailed with pre-crisis YamaChan despised them so much.


    But can we all agree that every fandom has its shitheads and the largest collection of shitheads is on twitter, whom we should stop being held accountable for?


    ..albeit, reddit the past year has arguably been worse.


    Who's with me? Vote ;-)

    Then disown the fandom.


    If a toxic person calls themselves X and you also call yourself X, after a certain threshold of toxicity, you can't avoid being smeared by it.


    If you try to defend the X label, you will be seen as defending the toxicity. And held accountable.


    So disown.


    It is difficult to disown when it comes to things like Religion and Nationality.

    But Kpop fandom, that's easy.


    Yet I find these days that fans have gone from defending the idol to defending the company to defending the fandom itself.


    Stan, company-stan, fandom-stan.


    Reject that.


    Like BTS, reject the ARMY,

    Like NJZ, disown Tokkies,

    Like IU, reject being an Uaena,

    Etc ,


    This will also cause introspection on whether you are on it for the music/entertainment, or for the fandom cult wagon.


    Then if someone accuses the fandom of the artist you like of toxicity, you can just "meh" and move on.

    Quote from monalisalove

    Yeah, you and your nonsenses "blinks like you are so toxic, you guys hate everyone on tt" and then that's me who isn't even active on tt: :pepe-just-smile:

    Great that you know this thread is for you :exit-pepe::exit-pepe::exit-pepe::exit-pepe:

    Actually, my point was that it's funny reading this from Yama, because you can blame Twitter Land for many things, but don't act as if some fans including Yama, and even you sometimes are not doing the same thing here on AKP.


    Okay, maybe you're not as bad, you only call me a hater for breathing, it's like a toxic marriage or something, so I'll give a free pass, but not for Yama.

    Quote from David33

    Actually, my point was that it's funny reading this from Yama, because you can blame Twitter Land for many things, but don't act as if some fans including Yama, and even you sometimes are not doing the same thing here on AKP.


    Okay, maybe you're not as bad, you only call me a hater for breathing, it's like a toxic marriage or something, so I'll give a free pass, but not for Yama.

    I give my opinion in matters where I think it is interesting, but you'll never see me camping in threads of groups I obviously dislike their music direction just to be negative like tt people.

    And I'm not innocent, but my responses are based in the users behaviors here and based in naming my faves most of the times.

    :meme-bugs-no:

    Quote from monalisalove

    I give my opinion in matters where I think it is interesting, but you'll never see me camping in threads of groups I obviously dislike their music direction just to be negative like tt people.

    And I'm not innocent, but my responses are based in the users behaviors here and based in naming my faves most of the times.

    David doesn't realize that the difference between him and pre-reformation Yama is that he ruins perfectly healthy threads and turns them toxic, while pre-reformation Yama just made his own toxic threads when he wanted mess.

    Quote from monalisalove

    Toxic carat :blehr:

    im not in that era yet ;(

    Quote from Yama-Chan

    We can learn from the past, my friend, but we can't live in it.


    You should never get desensitized to toxicity and negative hive mind behavior.

    I know but at this point, I don't bother anymore. People are just becoming too comfortable on the internet.


    Not even sure why it took me this long to realize it, especially cuz I was fighting tooth and nail during the summer for LSF but I can't influence the behaviors of others. Surely, I can TRY but at the end of the day, all that is going to happen is useless discourse in which even I lose myself and start to display toxic behavior, also.


    Whenever someone tries to project the actions of the other part of my fandom onto me, all I can do is reiterate the fact that I am not one of them. I've started to see it as a small price to pay for being part of the fandom.


    That is a major reason why I stay as far away from both twitter and reddit as I can. Those two platforms contain the most vile and unhinged kpop stans and I'm not really surprised at the minimal level of moderation present there.

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    I don't like how a lot of people are making a blanket statement about Tokkis, calling them hypocrites. That may be true for some Tokkis, I'm sure, but unless you have the receipts of specific Tokkis saying one thing but behaving in the opposite direction, then it's just broad, meaningless generalization.


    Tokki A is going to care more about plagiarism while Tokki B just doesn't care. You can't just mix the two up and generalize as if they were the same person. They had different opinions all along.


    I'd rather find a vile, toxic member of a fandom, go through their post history, find conflicting statements, and put them on blast for it. That way, I'm not targeting the whole fandom, but holding that individual accountable. I wouldn't even say much, but just show them two of their own contradictory statements.


    Their fandom can't help but denounce them and their behavior, ostracizing them from the fandom. That's going to send a stronger message than lazily generalizing all of them.


    These K-pop stans are lucky I don't engage in fanwars. Otherwise I'd catch them slipping all the time. Unlike others who just generalize, I'm going to remember them individually and make them face their hypocrisy. They can't even deny it.

    I agree. Part of the reason (besides work) that i took a hiatus is because i didnt want to pollute the board with TW level toxicity.


    Aside from obvious trolls like Tati, badguy and a few others, this forum has very chill and fun members (assuming they're all human beings and not alt accounts of selfmade lol).


    MYs, Blinks and Dives on TW are horrendous, the worst of all Kpop fandoms tbh. But here, their fans are good even hilarious at times. Esp the Aespa stans, so chill compared to the TW monstrosities.


    Only a few of the Tokkis here (namely the aforementioned names) approach the toxicity of TW.


    AKP Onces, Blinks, Dives, Mys, Army, Reveluvs, Nevies, etc are just fine.

    Quote from superyeah

    I don't like how a lot of people are making a blanket statement about Tokkis, calling them hypocrites.

    I feel called out :meme-life-support:


    But yeah, I get what you're saying. It's illogical to make unnecessary generalizations.


    Hence why, my crusade against Tokkies is officially suspended until one of them pisses me off again.


  • AllKill VIP

    Also, the reason why holding an entire fandom accountable just isn't going to work is that a lot of the cowardly toxic ones hide behind the name of the fandom to bash and send hate.


    They'll represent their fandom, so naturally, even the good ones will see this and side with them. They make themselves look like the defenders even when they're the aggressors.


    So when you try to hold all of them accountable, the actual toxic ones don't see that they're the ones at fault. They hide behind the fandom and feel validated by their sense of belonging in the fandom.


    To truly hold a person accountable, you have to single them out, get rid of their sense of belonging in their fandom, and make them understand their own toxicity. Not their fandom's toxicity, but their own hypocrisy and hate as a person.


    To a toxic stan, their fandom is their armor. They don't actually care what happens to that armor. They just use it as a shield. You need to catch them without it and make them face what they've done wrong.

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    Quote from superyeah

    I'd rather find a vile, toxic member of a fandom, go through their post history, find conflicting statements, and put them on blast for it. That way, I'm not targeting the whole fandom, but holding that individual accountable. I wouldn't even say much, but just show them two of their own contradictory statements.


    These K-pop stans are lucky I don't engage in fanwars. Otherwise I'd catch them slipping all the time. Unlike others who just generalize, I'm going to remember them individually and make them face their hypocrisy. They can't even deny it.

    We must harness superyeahs powers for evil ;judgingpepe:

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    Welcome back to the fold. We need you around to boost our numbers.


    When you're inactive, the average age of the AKP Forum goers drops by 100 years


    :meme-trying-not-to-laugh:

    Yes I think it’s silly when I see people attack a fandom based off a fandom on another platform :?: people it’s not the same users!


    Like when bunnies were having a go at H2H and KiiiKiii for copying allegations it had nothing to do with AKP bunnies as most are supportive and others don’t care lol


    I think AKP has somewhat become very peaceful at least compared to other sites! Mostly everyone gets on or ignore those they dislike at the very least :oops:

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    I'm always giving you guys subtle hints on how to use your pettiness for good. You guys just don't listen. X/ But if you all did, a lot of these toxic people would be humbled and they have no choice but to accept it.


    I can't stop pettiness and fanwars, but at least I can convince people to use that petty energy for good.

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    Quote from superyeah

    I'm always giving you guys subtle hints on how to use your pettiness for good. You guys just don't listen. X/ But if you all did, a lot of these toxic people would be humbled and they have no choice but to accept it.


    I can't stop pettiness and fanwars, but at least I can convince people to use that petty energy for good.

    Sometimes I do get the sense you're being shady but then Id think I was reading too much into it :meme-conspiracy:

    Well played :Reddit-Halleluiah:

    stanning kiiikiii will ease all toxicity in your physical and mental being. since i started on this pilgrimage, i have seen numerous changes in my daily life. to start, i cooked a proper breakfast two days in a row instead of eating crackers & cheese and cheap instant coffee. i also feel at peace mentally and physically when i am spreading kiiikiii's teachings to do yourself and do yourself right. furthermore, i ventured outside and touched some grass today. it was quite a surreal experience, and deepened my connection with kiiikiii's teachings. come join me in my expedition to find the true meaning of life with the help of the kiiikiii church and its leaders.

    A major issues about holding fan bases accountable is that some of the fans causing noise aren't a fan of the group. There are many people that join in on the toxicity because they don't like an opposing group or fan base.

    At least as far as Twitter is concerned, because I use that for not just Kpop updates, but a few other interests I follow and SOME political stuff, I've very much learnt to just keep my feed perma locked on "Following".


    Post "Deadbeat Father Nazimans" takeover of X, I never venture onto "For You" and therefore don't get exposed nearly as much to toxic shitfuckery, kpop or otherwise.


    I curate who I follow, mainly official accounts, clip/picture accounts or update accounts that aren't centered around toxicity.


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    Quote from bagelbaguette

    stanning kiiikiii will ease all toxicity in your physical and mental being. since i started on this pilgrimage, i have seen numerous changes in my daily life. to start, i cooked a proper breakfast two days in a row instead of eating crackers & cheese and cheap instant coffee. i also feel at peace mentally and physically when i am spreading kiiikiii's teachings to do yourself and do yourself right. furthermore, i ventured outside and touched some grass today. it was quite a surreal experience, and deepened my connection with kiiikiii's teachings. come join me in my expedition to find the true meaning of life with the help of the kiiikiii church and its leaders.

    I'm sorry but I can overlook a lot of things including Starships bs marketing but I can't stan a group with that spelling.

    It hurts.

    It HURTS

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    Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

    Sometimes I do get the sense you're being shady but then Id think I was reading too much into it :meme-conspiracy:

    Well played :Reddit-Halleluiah:

    Shady? Never towards you. I think you're actually really kind. I like to tease you about some things at times, but that's only because I respect you and think you're funny. You somehow have this quality of being likable even when you clown on people's favorites or criticize their fandoms.


    There's really only one "active" person I take issue with, but most people don't know about them. They're not a big name. They rarely even post, but I know they're lurking. I could easily call out their hypocrisy and xenophobic, racist, and hateful mindset, but I don't want to draw too much attention to that at this time. If the day ever comes where I have to or they give me reason to, the overwhelming majority of AKP will be onboard with why I feel the way I do. I don't mess around when it comes to matters like that. For now, they can keep being miserable, though.

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    Quote from ISaidISaid

    You don’t really do a good job of it.

    You're free to think that.


    I'm not going to just force people to act how I want them to act. That's pointless and unrealistic. The choice is up to them. All I can do is offer them a different perspective.


    You guys keep seeing each other as enemies, but this is the tamest version of AKP I've ever seen. I don't feel the need to get involved the way I used to. All of the admins and mods can attest to this.


    There are people out there who have a vendetta against you and mentioned you by name, but I still protect and defend you even if you don't like me.

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