NewJeans vs Aespa for #1 spot, IVE vs Le Sserafim for #2 in 4thgen GG hierachy

Aespa is nowhere capable of challenging newjeans' for that #1 position

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You sure? Aespas individual member popularity seems to be way stronger than NJs. Everyone in SK is apparently simping for either Winter or Karina and NingNing is trending everywhere as the Versace hot girl.

Only karina has big individual popularity in aespa, mhj is still bigger it girl than her

NJ is still the biggest 4th gen GG, some of y’all are just biased

Gidle suddenly appeared with their gangnam style

The Ive downplay when they are the best selling 4th gen gg and #2 overall, had way more hits than Aespa and Wonyoung is the it girl of this gen...

Let's just wait a little more, it's not like ggs nowadays can sustain their #1 spot that much anyways.

I think Idle also enters this top positions with their hits, and great album sales.

Recent bias won't make difference when in one year we have no idea who will be topping the charts.

With no order the top ggs of this gen are Aespa, Ive, NJ, Idle, LSF.

Stop forcing the aespa narratives. It'll just bring them hate. This is not a competition. Their first big hit in 3 years and suddenly you're comparing them to Twice and BP, while putting them on NJ's level? Yeah, stop.

Ive being more appealing to asian fans when they sold out all of their concerts in us, latam and europe ijbol

Nj vs aespa??? Im not even sure theres an argument for aespa vs IVE. They released one hit song in like 3 years and they are only popular because of Karina. You could replace Giselle or Ningning with a backup dancer and no one would notice

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it just seems like ppl arent talking abt them as much, they dont rlly seem to have a big international fanbase and ever since Love Dive/After Like their songs didn't go viral or trend

Ppl used to talk about loona all the time and at the end they were never even considered a top gg lol

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Their members have been popular all the time, just the songs missed.

Yea, the BP and Twice comparison was lame

But still, no matter what you say, you're never right. Call NJ only #1: delusional. Call NJ not only #1: delusional

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It's just not a valid comparison. The overall metrics aren't remotely close. And for the last two years, NewJeans was light years ahead of them.

They have more career Spotify streams than aespa and IVE combined, and today they're still the most streamed girl group on the platform even after the drama.

It's no different in Korea either.

One big hit song after 3 years doesn't suddenly move aespa into NJ territory.

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Honestly not too sure abt Le Sserafim, they really gotta have a successful next comeback or SK is abandoning them I fear

They'll do fine, Hybe has enough money to spend on Spotify to make them get NJ debut year numbers and international fans don't care about the scandal, Korean gp too. They just don't need to sing live and they'll do fine.

And LSF also had ww hits if you want to count NL by Aespa as one tbh. In the World Cup LSF song went viral viral ww and they had another bside too that went viral.

Overall NJ are still #1 bc of their past numbers, next year we'll see a more clear situation with the groups cbs, touring, album sales etc.

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Well Spicy is doing pretty well for a non hit song

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I wonder what will be your face in 50 days when spicy and I AM will surpass OMG as the longest 2023 Songs

Considering that you keep saying that OMG is a hit and not spicy

It will be fun to see a hit get out lasted by a non hit in the charts

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Stop it. I feel no sense of competitiveness towards aespa, because the numbers show they're clearly out classed. I know they're your life but don't be so predictable.

They'll survive just fine as the third or fourth most popular girl group of their era, because I'm not putting them ahead of IVE either.

Spicy is nowhere close to the biggest hit songs from NJ or IVE, and I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

aespa has two genuinely huge hit songs--Next Level and Supernova.

I'd really like to understand the narrative tha LE SSERAFIM is fighting for the #2 spot.

They are away behind NewJeans, IVE, (G)I-DLE, aespa in terms of domestic charting

They've sold 4.5M, so they are away behind IVE (8.8M), NewJeans (7.5M), aespa (7M) in terms of physical sales. Behind (G)I-DLE too to a less extent, but the gap might become bigger since the later is selling more per album so far.

Their last "world tour" was focused on Asia and only small venues, so their stats are away behind IVE and aespa from the groups that started touring so far.

The only thing they have to put up a fight is their Spotify streams.

In my opinion, so far, they are a comfortable #5, unless they have a big era and things become more spicy in the future.

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*2 hit songs. Supernova and Drama

What annoys me is that ADOR didn't really find a way to promote NJ members individually. All that long time from Get Up to How Sweet should've been used for that. Now we know it could've been bc of HYBE, but MHJ seems to make a lot of mistakes in promotions. Sure, she also does a lot of things right. But look at the wasted potential of Right now. The songs structure is very similar to Super Shy, and they could've turned it into Super Shy 2.0 with the right choreo and promotion. It should've been Right Now + How Sweet and Bubble Gum + Supernatural. Bubble Gums aesthetic fits a Japanese debut way more.

Also, ADOR isn't using Hyeins potential at all. She looks like a goddamn MODEL. The only GG member that can compete with Wonyoung as 4th gens best model-like-idol. Why is she not being promoted????

Aespa seems to step up on the individual member promotion game way better.

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Relax. ADOR doesn't want a Karina or Wonyoung/Yujin situation where one or two members are vastly more popular than the others and it becomes a "______ and friends" situation. The NewJeans brand itself is huge, bigger than any individual or group amongst their peers, and the girls themselves trend all the time. Both Hanni and Minji got two JAPANESE songs they covered at their fanmeeting to enter the KOREAN real time charts. That's how impactful they are.

Exhale. NewJeans are still in a class of their own.

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So stay cute and silent

That was you after Aespa couldn't had another massive hit like NL, you stayed cute and silent then Supernova happened and you are loud again

In the end overall Ive has better numbers than Aespa for now. Let Ive underperform a little like you let Aespa do and still act like suddenly every song after NL was a hit while NL was a huge hit...

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I mean, Spicy feels like a hit song compared to Girls

That's because that song is awful and Illusion was way, way better.

But fr I don't feel like posting numbers. We all know how much I've looked at them.

This really isn't close.