Ive surely been quite severely overworked by Starship

It's seriously too much.

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Starship should work them less

Because people are now using their hardwork as excuses as to why they have "records" as they have more releases more albums more songs more activity and all these achievements are simply because they work hard and release more content

Imaging being the top 4th gen seller but it's because you are just releasing more albums and working harder

So yeah they should rest

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Wasn't this the exact same words that 3rd gen stans used to use against Twice when they were on top ?

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I don't understand that narrative tbh. Ive sales for example, is on par with Aespa and Newjeans for one album now. Their latest album selling almost 2 million too. And them coming from non big 4 and debuted with even lower sales than Kep1er make their achievements today even more impressive.

eleven only have 2 version

to be fair they debuted before some groups you mentioned I think aespa is the only groups that debuted in 2020 well if you don't include G idle and Itzy that debuted a lot earlier and new jeans technically has 4 if I'm not wrong. ( unless you don't include single albums) and Ive has like 3 single albums only one studio album and a mini album I don't think is too much personally.

It’s comical to see so many people stating that IVE is overworked.

Do you honestly think the members have zero say in their schedule? I can assure you that Wonyoung and Yujin do. They are Starship - you don’t keep them happy the group is going to suffer.

What so many of you don’t get is that idols want to be challenged. It’s in their nature to work extremely hard and be the best. Just like an athlete does. And they want to make significant $$$.

Why do you think idols go through such vigorous training for years? Companies are preparing them for what they are doing now. It’s survival of the fittest.

Only in the K-pop world do I hear fans cry about this. I assume it’s because so many of you are young and don’t have full time jobs where you have to sometimes work 60 hours per week (I’m in senior management and it’s the norm for wanting to be great at what I do and being successful).

not really...still nothing compared to JYP's comeback schedule for Twice during their early years.

You gotta strike while the iron is hot. It's natural to keep working when you're still in demand because eventually it's gonna peak and the next hot trendy thing will come and take its place.

I remember reading somewhere before where Twice fans were saying they were overworked meanwhile Nayeon said on bbl or somewhere that they had no schedules and were just sitting around at home. And Karina also said on Lee Youngji's show that idols who say they have no time to date are full of shit.

People always complain about everything but these people are busy to provide content for their fans. Without them being busy, you wouldn't see them in front of you 24/7 like other groups that are in long hiatuses or kept in the dungeon.

To be honest, these groups are only busy for the first 3-4 years, and slowly it will stabilise. They will slowly break into sub-units or solo schedules and into other things. These first years are often crucial and of course it will be the busiest times of their careers, but it's like an investment into building their brand names. Once their position is secured, it will be easy sailing for their careers.

I mean it is normal that the first few years are the years these kpop groups go crazy with their schedules, they have to build up a fanbase while they're still fresh after all. 2 korean plus a japanese cb per year is the usual output for most groups

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Wasn't this the exact same words that 3rd gen stans used to use against Twice when they were on top ?

Idk about IVE sales but Twice still had the most sales for even one album in these years, so having less releases wouldn't have changed that. Situation shifted in 2020 with The Album

Itzy, Lesserafim and NewJeans are also overworked.

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Itzy, Lesserafim and NewJeans are also overworked.

I'm not familiar with other groups, but for NJ, based on what?