[enter-talk] DO YOU GUYS CONSIDER THIS KPOP?

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The comment about XG copying Kpop is a bit weird when you know that Kpop and the whole idols system come from Japan.

the idol systems in Japan and Korea are vastly different. SM invented the idol system in Korea and based it off Western music especially old Hollywood and top boy groups at the time. I have no idea about the Japanese idol system but from this article I found, it seems to have come from France. Pretty unexpected I must say.

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the idol systems in Japan and Korea are vastly different. SM invented the idol system in Korea and based it off Western music especially old Hollywood and top boy groups at the time. I have no idea about the Japanese idol system but from this article I found, it seems to have come from France. Pretty unexpected I must say.

It’s interesting to read that as a French person who likes Jpop and Kpop. Thank. The inspiration from Jpop to Kpop is still there but Koreans adapted it to their culture. Even the Kpop choreographies as Jpop for blueprint with the importance of the center.

I'd say they're a Kpop-inspired Jpop group.

But that doesn't matter. They are super talented and have great music. That's what everyone should be focusing on.

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I feel like a lot of people who hold this opinion don't know the history between japan and korea, and why korea might feel a little weird that a only-japanese group, from a japanese company that have said they want to "take over" kpop, might be doing this.

Also big difference between a kpop group promoting occasionally in japan as a kpop group and an "International girl group" promoting only in korea with only japanese members.

I’m actually aware of the history between Japan and Korea when I wrote it tho. Like their bad blood due to politics and war.

Tbh the avex ceo is distasteful and that outrage is understandable.

But it doesn’t change my mind that they are hypocrites. From what I uds, Japan e.g. avex helped their 2nd gen or 1st? gen k-pop groups like boa, tvxq and snsd to succeed in Japan and make waves there. That’s before they decided to succeed internationally. Japan welcomed them and allowed them to promote. So why can’t Korea do the same?

I get that u are trying to set the distinction of the differences thus the outrage, but I don’t see how language shd matter. Language or not, K-pop groups are given chances to promote their songs in Korean or English in Japan and even the Kōhaku Uta Gassen. I bet u if there’s any Japanese group promoting in Korea as j-pop group temp they would rage.

We don’t know if they are going to promote in Korea for the rest of their career except it’s a starting ground as what I uds.

Tbf, I think Japan shd ban all Korean media or groups since they banned Japanese media or rewrote them.

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Max Matsuura seems to allways have been this way. Even one of the most successfull artists the company ever debuted, Ayumi Hamasaki, mentioned him a lot allover her biography (not only cause he scouted and produced her but also cause he is a former boyfriend of her) and when I watched the drama they made out of her biography Max looked and came off like a pretty selfish and egoistic person back in the 90s if everything Ayumi wrote into her biography was true that they showed in the drama.

For some background informations for those who havn't read the book or watched the drama: Ayumi came to Tokyo when she was a teen cause she wanted to help her poor family as an actress. Oneday a friend asked her to sneak into a club by pretending to be older. In the club Max was scouting people for his company and he constantly was making down girls for being horrible and sometimes even apparently used swearwords against the girls. As he scouted a group of girls and one of them was Ayumi she was sick of him as she heard how he was rude to the girls and so she openly said how she was feeling about his behavier, wich however made him think about it and so he scouted her and since he had a big oponent in the company that tried to debut a girlgroup and the goal was that whoever succeeds gets a 1 million $ check for promotion-purpose of the winner artist he begun to push her to become the best to debut. And somehow this made her fall in love with him, even tho she was underaged and he is 14 years older than her so he was over 30 back than.

Avex menaged to debut a lot famous JPop-artists over the years like for example Koda Kumi, Namie Amuro, Wagakki Band, Da-iCE, DA PUMP, AAA, Daichi Miura, ... and many more, but however the company stoped promoting their artists and didn't even done much for the artists that they had co-signed from other companies (wich you can clearly see by how much LDH's group EXILE once used to sell and how much they sell now. EXILE once sold mover 1 million on a release and now barly makes it to 100K).

The company also set their goals totaly wrong. The company has deals with a lot foreign artists so that these people can sell their CDs in Japan (example Carly Rae Japson and Katy Perry) and also works with SM and YG (and even made a company together with YG thats named YGEX). Avex also works with different Japanese companies to produce them (even tho people mostly only reffer to the agencies of these artists rather than Avex like BE:FIRST is seen as a group of BMSG which is their agency, but the producing company is Avex). And most of the once popular artists do not even make enough money for the company anymore.

As Avex almost went bankrupt in 2020 they announced that they wanted to sell their 7 floor large building aswell as the 3 floor big artist academy (the artist academy was a building full of over 100 trainees. At the height of it Avex once had around 150 trainees where a lot of them left over the years and got replaced by other trainees. Some of the former trainees later on debuted under other companies or just became trainees somewhere else as for example this one new SM-trainee called Shohei who was under Avex before). At that time Avex didn't only wanted to sell their building but also had planed to do other things to save money as like kicking all trainees who arn't debuting and terminating contracts to artists who do not make enough money. However they didn't kicked any trainee and did not cancle contracts to any artists as of now except a co-ed duo who left on their own reasons in 2021.

Avex is also suffering a bit by not making enough money trought their own artists since as said most don't make enough money anmore but also cause those who still could bring in a lot disbanded or are on hiatus. The co-ed group AAA for example who is one of Japan's most famous groups brought in a crap ton of money, however the 2019 scandal of the group's former leader and their decission to go on hiatus in 2020 is a big los for the company since the solo-projects of everyone outside of 2 members called Nissy and SKY-HI isn't bringing in much money. Also as of 2020 SKY-HI left Avex as his agency and opend up his own company BMSG so only the production-cost is payed towards Avex now but all other money he is making goes straight towards himself (and thats a lot, SKY-HI said in autumn of 2022 that he made over 7 million $ with his own company in less than 2 years and now see how a big company like Avex is missing those numbers since SKY-HI's part towards Avex is a small number now cause he only pays Avex for producing his CDs now).

In 2020 Avex also announced they wanted to become more open towards foreign countries, but people found it funny that overseas ment "China" for them, because at that time Avex posted almost all their MVs, live performances and other stuff to the Chinese video-website Billibilli which is like the Chinese Youtube and later on sended 5 of their idols to the chinese survival show Chuang2021 (Producer Camp) in 2021. 3 of the 5 dudes later on won a place in the winner group of the show called INTO1 and especially one of the dudes called Rikimaru seems to have gotten quit popular but it is not benefiting the company since the money that INTO1 makes is going to the Chinese production company and agency aswell as to the idols themselfs. The fact that Avex menaged to get 3 dudes into the group (Rikimaru, Santa and Mika) doesn't even helps Avex any bit, especially not since people seem to not care for where the boys come from. I mean Mika was part of the "American" boygroup INTERSECTION, wich was the try of Avex to debut their first fully English singing group in 2018 with 3 boys who are half US-American and 1 boy who is half Irish. However it seems to have floped and INTERSECTION disbanded in 2022 after William and Kazuma decided to not renew their contract when it ran out. Rikimaru and Santa are both from the group WARPs UP, which debuted in 2019 and was Avex's first try to promote the company in China by hiring 2 former CPop-idols called Langyi and Mingjun who debuted in WARPs UP, where the group was suposed to make music in Japanese, Engish and Chinese together. (Funny enough Langyi and Mingjun only came to Japan because they apeared on Idol Producer, failed and than thought they had no chance to ever make it in China).

Later in 2022 Avex tried the same stuff again as they did with their boys by sending Hikaru to GP999 in Korea, but as like with their boys non of the money Hikaru makes will go to the company and people who like Hikaru don't give a damn about the company she comes from. And the " don't give a damn about the company" is something that you by the way see a lot when you look at the people who like Rikimaru since most people either only know him trought INTO1, know him cause he used to work as dance choreograph for SM Entertainment or know him cause he was the dance teacher of ENHYPEN's Niki before but almost nobody even knows that he had debuted in a boygroup in Japan before he debuted in China.

Avex could do so much more with the other artists they have, but they don't. GENIC for example has a lot potentional, especially since their member Maria is a supermodel and even participated in the "Miss World 2020" as "Miss World Japan" but Avex is doing nothing about it.

Many artists Avex is curently debuting or has debuted in the past besides a hand full of successfull acts is even quit outdated, boring or just not promoted well enough to hit it big and thats sad. And funny enough people rumored back when Avex announced to almost have gone bankrupt that they only did not fully go bankrupt since they had contracts with Japan's most famous company Johnny's & Associates (better known as Johnny's Entertainment) where they produced for some of their artists as like Kis-my-ft2, V6 and as of lat Snow Man (and people said the money Snow Man made would've been a big deal for Avex since the group sold a crap ton of albums, I mean who else can sell almost 12 million CDs in 3 years?)

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If this is true, I hope my xg girlies are out are more controlled by their South Korean counterparts.

Actually if hybe was managing them it will be totally great for their growth lol

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If this is true, I hope my xg girlies are out are more controlled by their South Korean counterparts.

Actually if hybe was managing them it will be totally great for their growth lol

Actually, just cause Max Matsuura seems to be a dumb CEO and the company isn't promoting their artists well enough dosn't mean the company was that bad, I mean if they would be a whole hell than SM and YG would've most likly allready stoped working with Avex and all the other agencies like the Japanese companies Johnny's and LDH for example too. Plus more artists and trainees had left them earlier on.

But sure, from what I noticed many (not all) artists under Avex, especially the more underrated people seem to work a 2nd or 3rd job in the entertainment industry to keep themself on money (as like Maria of Genic is a model and actress, Atsuki of Genic is an actor and stayplay actor, I think Genic's Maiki and Joe were both working as producer, Genic's Yurari is also a model,... and so on)

Honestly, i don't consider myself a K-Pop stan so I don't care if XG is K-Pop or not. But There are tons of K-Pop Idols who are not Korean so my personal opinion is: K-Pop is about the language