It's kinda problematic how people wanna gatekeep kpop idols by the shape of their eyes or color of their skin

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I don't really get why having a Thai idol debuting is so accepted, but an Indian or Jordanian idol debuting would get confused looks. They are BOTH asian, they are BOTH not native korean speakers, so why is the reaction different to both of them? Because they don't "look" like what a stereotypical asian looks like? Say that outloud and you will understand how problematic that sounds, you are literally gatekeeping people by their eye-shape and color of their skin.

Now I'm not talking about knetz reactions because we know how homegenous they are, but I'm talking about Inetz. A lot of them are insisting that kpop be for east asians only and I find that problematic as hell. They think by "limiting" as East Asian they are not being overtly racist, because it's just semantics. Hell nah, can you imagine if Victoria Secret never added asian models because "Well, Victoria Secret is for white models only. That's how it started out as so we will keep it that way. Non white models are free to make their own industry ." That's messed up.

This is how racism lives, by hiding it between semantics and wordplay, and arbritary rules and naming. You guys know what you are doing.

Anyway this is me ranting cos it's frustrating as a "non eastern asian" having so much love and respect for the kpop communnity and realising slowly that a lot of the members in that community hide inconspicous racisms towards you. I'm not saying that my opinion is absolutely correct, I could be wrong. Just wanted to get it out so this is more of a rant and not a debate and I'm not going to respond. But anyone who disagrees is free to comment why. A reminder to stan Eunchae the smiling potato. Literally sat on the hull of a car so her unnies could sit comfortably in their seats. A pure goddess she is.

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P.S btw the REVERSE goes for the same. Any asian should be able to debute in bollywood or likewise, provided they know the language. Nobody should be gatekeeped based on how they look. . The reason I'm using the reverse example is because of how much more global kpop is than bollywood, I expect people to be better when something is more global and not more likely to stick to narrowminded ideals.

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I mentioned this many times before and that's the 🤡🤡🤡 clown world of it all is as my foul mouth country men say iroaches. Trying to dictate what we Koreans want in our kpop keep that in mind that's MY culture not theirs what we want included in kpop nobody else has any say in this but us. Kpop idols of different ethnicities are openly welcomed and encouraged. You see for the majority of the world outside of the USA we all enjoy and practice cultural sharing, this means the overwhelming majority of people will openly welcome you to partake in participate and even adopt our culture and traditions. Cultural appropriation is an alien term to us, so this gatekeeping thing on kpop idols is clown 🤡 shit because you will never see it from us

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ALSO NCT SAUDI LMAO

I really want to see a bunch of Arabic men here in Korea speak Korean and end up culture shocked into the absolute crazy chaos and fun of NCT and Taeyong gaining more than 22 children. Then they give up being "normal" as chenle or renjun introduces them to skinship and are forever changed 🤣🤣🤡

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I'm not saying they won't stick out like a sore thumb, they will. But they should be allowed to stick out like a sore thumb if the company wants them to and if they want to, they shouldn't be told they are not allowed worst of all by inetz. For example I wasn't a big fan of z-girls at all and I'm not saying you have to be a fan of them, but saying "they can't debut" or "they don't belong" is much worse than just not being a fan of them. That's mostly what I am addressing.

I understand. The problem is people don't seem to be able to settle with not buying, not watching, not listening. They're entitled to not buying into an international kpop group or whatever. No one can force them to become a fan, obviously. But when they don't want to buy, watch or listen, lots of people feel the urge to share it with the entire world. "I'm not stanning this group because this or that", "I'm opposed to this or that". That's what it comes down to. And that's what we see all the time on twitter, on forums... on AKP.

There are people who seem more interested in talking at lengths about what they don't like (and make sure everyone knows) rather than what they like. That's what toxicity stems from.

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I have no issue with them debuting elsewhere. They have no business trying to exploit arab women though, especially when they enjoy rights that their fans do not. And no, I will not be "protecting" anyone. The men that stand up for oppression are doing the bare minimum in a society that was built with their needs in mind. I only support arab WOMEN 🤷‍♀️

And fighting oppression of Arab women happens when someone living in a western country dictates, behind their screen, what Arab women should and shouldn't do? Control their entertainment? Make decisions on their behalf? Deprive them of small pleasures? Because they're not smart enough to fight for their own rights and decide what to consume as entertainment? Because they can't operate without a western saviour?

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And fighting oppression of Arab women happens when someone living in a western country dictates, behind their screen, what Arab women should and shouldn't do? Control their entertainment? Make decisions on their behalf? Deprive them of small pleasures? Because they're not smart enough to fight for their own rights and decide what to consume as entertainment? Because they can't operate without a western saviour?

Louder please 😎😎

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I mean this asked for my opinion, did it not? They can operate their own lives however way they want (even though they actually can't, especially Saudi women). Why would I think it's a good idea to make a bg in Saudi, a country that legit has 0 consideration for women? It is obvious this is a ploy to just make money and not to give these women "small pleasures". I'm also Arab and know Arab women living in the middle east in places where they are treated like they're nothing. I think giving them a boy group means jack shit. And their entertainment is already controlled, everything is controlled by men, so give them more men! Right?

Ok sense men are the problem to help you we Koreans will pinky promise to only make girl groups, men bad right 🤡

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I don't care if Koreans debut bgs 😂 but yes men are the problem

Ok sense we are bad we shall all commit suicide and feel bad because we are bad for being born men. God made a big mistake

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I mean this asked for my opinion, did it not? They can operate their own lives however way they want (even though they actually can't, especially Saudi women). Why would I think it's a good idea to make a bg in Saudi, a country that legit has 0 consideration for women? It is obvious this is a ploy to just make money and not to give these women "small pleasures". I'm also Arab and know Arab women living in the middle east in places where they are treated like they're nothing. I think giving them a boy group means jack shit. And their entertainment is already controlled, everything is controlled by men, so give them more men! Right?

You complain about their entertainment and life being controlled and yet here you are trying to control it further.

You're giving these women very little credit, just because the government is controlling doesn't mean these women aren't smart enough to have their own opinions and the freedom to make certain decisions no matter big or small. A woman making a bad decision will always be freer than a woman not given a choice at all, so please let's at first stop talking about Saudi women as if they were abstract objects. Let's stop talking over them and on their behalf.

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Ok sense we are bad we shall all commit suicide and feel bad because we are bad for being born men. God made a big mistake

I completely get what Chounim is saying and the point they are making, but I think you are missing the point entirely.

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Im not talking over anyone. My words mean nothing in the grand scheme of things anyway. If a Saudi woman can talk about this here that would be great and I would listen, but they are not here, their voices are not heard because they are silenced by the men there. 🤷‍♀️ I'm not going to change my opinion about this so there's no point

That's such a weird thing to say, probably you personally have never talked to a Saudi woman before but they're out there in the Internet and on social media and they have spoken up more than once when people tried to stop artists and events from going to KSA in the name of supporting these women.

Anyway, personally I can't understand how people don't recognise that an extremely Conservative country like KSA opening up to the world culture and art wise, embracing diverse and inclusive entertainment genres and artists that represent lifestyles, fashions and heck even sexualities that are frowned upon there, how do people not recognise that these are positive hopeful signs that should be encouraged and celebrated instead of fought against in the name of protecting someone you have never even seen or spoken to.

This is the last I'm going to say about this, for some reason this same discourse has been happening a lot in the past couple of days in twitter and I'm so tired of it. Peace.