President Yoon called out for having his shaman tell him he needs to stay located in Yongsan, causing the police force to guard him daily instead of controlling huge crowds

TL;DR there have been events with over 100k people in Itaewon in previous years and they hadn't had crowd crushes with fatalities happen because the events were oversaw by the police force that's now protecting Yoon who is using a shaman and relying on his advice. He stayed situated in Yongsan, where Itaewon is, instead of moving to the Blue House because the shaman told him to. Over 700 police officers guard him daily. Dozens were doing crowd control in Itaewon yesterday, and previous years the number was in the hundreds. Yoon is being rightfully called out for his part in causing the unsafe situation to even happen. Nobody is saying he's to blame for the situation or the only one responsible, but they're saying him and the mayor of Seoul made many bad decisions regarding the safety of partygoers. Politicans should be called out for their actions if they in any way have catastropic consequences.

Now 153 young people are dead, 2/3 of it being young women, 19 foreigners and so many people are lost or in hospitals in serious condition.

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that's very controversial take on whole situation

I saw CNN interview with one of young Korean men who were there, taken photos from up, he was with friend but decided to leave the spot because it was overcrowded, his friend said he wants to party more and stayed there

so there were people who saw that alley is started to being packed and decided to go to different place/take different road

Explain what's controversial about it when it's backed up with evidence that in previous years 100s of police officers who are now guarding Yoon were doing crowd control on the Halloween parties in Itaewon? And they had times when there were over 100k people there like yesterday and nobody died?

What does what you said have to do with Yoon using a shaman for advice and burdening the local police force?

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I don’t see why it’s fully his responsibility. The Halloween party is not planed by the government, people just came out and ended up into the mess. It’s bit by bit.

It's not fully his responsibility. A lot of mistakes were made.

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I'm pretty sure that friday celebrations have similar number of cops around, and some of those streets were packed as well,

we also have one dumbo politician here in Poland who uses police force for his own protection in crazy numbers

mistakes were probably made due to not closing one or two roads for cars, and not making people walk freely through big streets, also they have big military there, it shouldn't be countrys president idea to deploy them there, rather than that people working miles under president should suggest this or that, for example the city mayor's office.

but yeah overall both presidents - the one of country, and the one of Seoul won't be picked for second term.

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He's not fully responsible and I don't think anyone is claiming that but he should be held responsible, same with the mayor, for their part in making the streets less safe than previous years and wrongly allocating security forces. This complaint comes directly from my friends in Korea as well, they're all angry and hurt that this happened.

It's an unfortunate accident but crowd control could've saved so many lives.

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the shot on part of the alley, you can see from here how narrow it is

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Absolute insanity that they only left dozens of police officers at Itaewon on crowd control, when usually hundreds were dispatched to the area. People in charge sign off on this decisions.

This is such a tragedy for everyone involved, it breaks my heart for the deceased and their close ones.

Also, I'm fearing another Park Geunyhe-Choi Soonsil situation with Yoon and his shaman.

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He's already unpopular and this will increase the calls for him to be removed from office.

The moment he put his shaman above what everyone else thinks including supporters, people knew that wouldn't bode well for his popularity, but he doesn't care. Park Geunhye literally got impeached for a similar situation. People are still sensitive about it.

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As they clearly should be. The deja vu of it all...

I wholeheartedly agree!

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Wait, I've got a strong sense of déjà-vu from this. Wasn't a former SK president jailed because of their ties with a shaman?

Yes, Park Geunhye!

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That's fucked up..politicians will never care about the people, power hungry fools

It's gonna be telling how him and the mayor handle this

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No he's not fully responsible, but he's partly so along with the ones handling security and staff. There have been as large crowds before but it hasn't ended up as a tragedy like that. For now, it's time to mourn, bur something like that shouldn't be ignored.

Yes, 100 % this!

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By making excuses? Because unfortunately its what they usually do..

That's what politicians do, isn't it?

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It sounds like a conspiracy theory, but why do people just for a simple rumor generate a human stampede out of nowhere? I also think that it is deja vu with the case of the president, this president gives me bad vibes. If this guy clings to power, Korea is going to have black days.

What sounds like a conspiracy theory? Crowd crushes happened many times in the past, they had mass casualties and are very dangerous.

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While Yoon's excessive use of Police personnel for his personal detail is well documented...

I have seen no reports or documents stating that his move to her personal residence has any connection to a Shaman, this just looks like conspiracy nonsense.

You wanna put it on the President for vastly straining Government facilities on his personal whim? Go ahead.

But please don't just post any random twitter thread from some nobody.

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Okay, why does he even have a shaman though?

updated information: 137 police officers on the streets of Itaewon instead of a much higher number usually, not all were assigned to crowd control. Only 58 were in uniform. The others were plain clothed and were not on crowd control.

Initially it was reported that there were 200 of them on the streets, which was incorrect.

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58 trying to control 100,000...

I'm shocked at how anyone thought that would work.