Artists vs. Agencies

  • Hwang Sunyeop, a music critic says he was prevented from publishing in many media, for mentioning 2NE1 at Coachella, indicating how much agencies are controlling the media and then the culture where artists have little to no power over their own brand or future.

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    Idols Who Want To Promote But Can’t

    I gave up publishing this in the media and uploaded it to my blog. It’s not that I don’t know these kinds of magazines are intertwined with various agencies and interests. But then they should have provided an exact guideline in the first place. When I sent it to them, they asked me to change my thesis completely, not even a partial revision.

    The major Korean media outlets only praise K-pop’s continued achievements and one cannot hardly find any that mention criticism. It’s like the whole scene (media) is swayed (in a chokehold) by the major agencies. Asking me to delete the mention of 2NE1’s appearance in Coachella just made me laugh. If they object to these words then where should I find the reason for writing a column? Is reason for media’s existence a nothing more than just be an agency’s tabloid? It was not an earth shattering article, yet I thought a lot that night.

    At Coachella in April, K-pop fans around the world were surprised. 2NE1 showed up as a whole six years after the group disbanded. The impact of just one song, “I Am The Best,” a short performance, was simply enormous and incredible. Domestic and foreign media made headlines for their surprise appearance, and fans also welcomed the return of the team with fierce reactions. Personally, I was happy and refreshed because I felt I was seeing the group’s own opinions about the former agency.

    As it has been mentioned many times, their disbandment was contrary to their wishes. It‘s akin to one way notification by the agency, thereby forcing the breaking up. This case remains as a sad example of proving once again that the K-pop scene is centered on the agency, not the artist. After six years of circling, in 2022, they still haven’t been transferred trademark rights and performed a surprise stage in a way of “putting out the fire after” to avoid YG Entertainment‘s eyes. In other words, there was a reason to prepare in secret.



    The fate of an artist is at the mercy of the agency


    Although it is said the lifespan of idols is longer than before, only handful of teams continue their activities steadily. Most of them cannot overcome the turbulent flow of the K-pop scene and naturally disappear, or they leave the team and start a new journey for a new career. What is clear in the midst of this is that there are also people who want to maintain the team. Moreover, a dream many groups have in common is the desire to leave current agency and to continue their activities on their own. However, in reality, it is not that simple. This is because it is not easy to transfer their product/commercial value to another agency.


    Come to think of it, even H.O.T. couldn’t use their names at the reunion performance due to trademark issues and BEAST eventually renamed to Highlight. On the other hand, T-ara regained their rights after a long legal fight. Although idol scene has been around for nearly 30 years, the artists are not using much power in their relationship with their agency regardless of their growing influence. It would not be an exaggeration to-say that the artists’ rights have gone backward since Seo Taiji And Boys, who completely won hegemony battle over profit distribution 30 years ago. The irony of not being able to write/use their own names.


    In addition, high dependence on the system also hinders independence. The success in the K-pop scene is dependent on more than 80% of the established system and the agency’s name value. It is not easy to stand alone (to leave agency) because of heavy dependence on activities such as A&R and promotions, etc. A hasty transfer guarantees the risk that even the popularity that had been maintained can be blown away in an instant. It’s like a manager who has worked for a large corporation for 20 years doesn’t have much competitiveness when he leaves the company.


    GOT7, an inspiring new start


    It is fortunate that the number of precedents has been gradually increasing recently. In particular, the recent comeback of GOT7 is noteworthy. They were able to launch the second act of the group again with the goodwill of JYP Entertainment, which transferred the trademark without any compensation and had support of very large label, Warner Music Korea. Looking back, I think it is the first case since Shinhwa that the team’s trademark rights were transferred to another company. (In the case of 2AM and T-ara, there was no separate agency.) The high quality of the new album reflects the ability and experience of them leading the music work themselves. Personally, this is particularly encouraging because I have seen several cases where the quality of the work fall drastically as soon as members leave the familiar system.


    There is an increasing number of cases where some of the members are forced to continue their group activities even after they have moved to another agency. Not long ago, SNSD announced that they were preparing for a comeback to mark the 15th anniversary of their debut. As a complete group, this is the first activity since Sooyoung, Seohyun, and Tiffany left SM Entertainment five years ago. Most of the members still have contracts with the original agency and the progress is going smoothly. Looking back on the case of S.E.S., they made a comeback with full support for 20th anniversary. So it may be more flexible now than during the H.O.T. or Shinhwa era. If you look at the case of f(x), which was close to neglect at the end of their activities, I think it might be a case-by-case thing.


    •To promote the rights of artists, for a K-pop scene where everyone is happy


    Although the artist’s ability is an absolute must in K-pop scene, the players who come to the forefront are relatively few. Those who sweated and endured through fierce competition to gain one’s competency and presence are great but on the other hand, they are also suffering from the anxiety they can be replaced at any time except for some. However, the music industry is also a realm of ‘human standards’. It is my personal wish that the industry be more ‘artist-centered’ than the present time where humans are considered as consumer goods. In every area from trainees to global stars.


    Including the groups who once had immense popularity, there are lot of groups that are wasting their time without receiving any plans bc they reach a certain age limit at some point and agency focuses on new groups. Who will compensate for the lives of those who want to be on stage but are not given any role bc they have no plans from their agencies and the burning thirst of the fandom that awaits them? In a situation where the agency’s power is still absolute, I hope that little by little the artist will take the initiative in a just way and write a new chapter outside of the original agency. I want to see a K-pop scene where everyone is happy together, not just some

  • Unfortunately even the internet as a whole is slowly becoming a space only for brands and big corporations (see: YT making it impossible to talk about anything negative and/or controversial, insta being a space for brainrot ads and nothing else, tiktok being... tiktok), they control everything. Its dystopian. I'm not surprised that big companies in the music scene have a hold on what journalists put out.

    True.

    SM platforms are no less profit/agenda driven.


    That is one aspect.


    The other, is how little "agency" artists have within their "agencies".

    If 2NE1, T-ARA, HOT, Beast etc.. All major revenue makers for their agencies, had challenges how to own their brand and chart the future - would it be any different with say BTS, Twice or Black pink?

    And it would be even worse for the less successful groups, wouldn't it?

  • Unfortunately even the internet as a whole is slowly becoming a space only for brands and big corporations (see: YT making it impossible to talk about anything negative and/or controversial, insta being a space for brainrot ads and nothing else, tiktok being... tiktok), they control everything. Its dystopian. I'm not surprised that big companies in the music scene have a hold on what journalists put out.


    I've heard it being called access media on YT. Tons of "journalists" and "fan" websites and channels are literally just defacto shills for the giant media corporations, whether we're talking about UMG, Sony, Disney, Netflix or Warner. They are not objective in the least. And it happens in every industry, i like to watch random tech reviews on YT and you can clearly tell when a tech YTer is shilling for a specific company.


    Music is a business, it's cutthroat, with billions of dollars at stake, people and companies will do literally anything and everything to get a piece.

  • Music is a business, it's cutthroat, with billions of dollars at stake, people and companies will do literally anything and everything to get a piece.

    Its not just about music


    the whole narrative of media about any subject, political, social, environmental its all written by corporation and its scary

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  • I think this is also one of the reasons why its important for fans to criticize their own faves rather than essentially becoming consumer puppets

    I would say criticizing the companies is more important than the artists

    They do most of the damage

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  • Disney sellouts creep me out so much, that entire company is deeply disturbing to me with how they fucking pump the smell of fresh baked products into the air in their parks to attract people and hire actors to pretend to be park-goers and say hi to you as you walk by. Gross <X<X

    Everytime I read your comment I learn more. First about the homophobic countries looking for the most gay porn and now this.

    Desbundar

  • I always thought that artistic freedom in these bigger agencies involved the contracts that artists had to sign. There's no doubt in my mind that companies want full control over their image and will put roadblocks to ensure that artists remain true to their public image (even through music that they put out). I think that the bigger the group = the more control the company will want to have over their image and what they put out. It might be why nugu artists tend to have more artistic freedom (weeekly, dkb, indie artists) in comparison to big agency groups. Outliers might be bts, idle, skz but groups like twice and txt have very light input from what I've seen

    Yes, there is inflection point, if a group is not successful and neither is losing money, they might have more freedom.

    But if they are losing money or in case they are making the bank, contracts and control will be far heavier.


    Are there any events to suggest BTS and SKZ have greater degree of freedom?

    IDLE could have been earlier, but things have changed since.


    Anyway the true test is if they depart the agency and still can retain the branding.

  • Are there any groups you think have that freedom and could retain their branding after departure?

    None, contractually no agency would yield the brand.


    But with legal victory of T-ARA and JYPE being sensibly gracious with GOT7, maybe things were changing.


    IU seems to have control over her stage name now, since recently she said she is ok with either IU/Lee Jieun being used to her acting career, whereas previously she wanted to keep them apart. Since this comes close to ownership changes at EDAM, it is possible she won that at a cost from Kakao.


    Besides it is far easier for soloists than for groups to take control.

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  • I'm not Dummi, but I will answer your curiousity related to Stray Kids :pepe-sad:


    This Reddit post is very insightful and they have even links of the members, JYP and JYPE Staff talking about the control of the members in Stray Kids. I also did a thread [Here] recently about the series where the members explain a bit more in details the ideas/creative process behind the songs and concepts of all their albums.


    Bang Chan works in many things in the albums to an impressive extent to me for an idol...


    I honestly think It's crazy how much JYPE trust them. When I watched Kingdom and I saw the Division 1 staff silent and listening to the members ideas for stages and accepting everything I was shocked.

  • Members participating in production saves money for the agency, as long the result is successful, there would be no objection.

    Freedom is tested not during successful conditions, but during stressful ones


    So while good for SKZ and other idols who are involved in creative process, it is not a reliable indicator that they can go against the company.

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  • Members participating in production saves money for the agency, as long the result is successful, there would be no objection.

    Freedom is tested not during successful conditions, but during stressful ones


    So will good for SKZ and other idols who are involved in creative process, it is not a reliable indicator that they can go against the company.

    Currently, I don't see them not renewing with the Company, they seem satisfied enough, from an outsider perspective. But honestly, we never know what may happen in the next 3 years.

  • imo shes had control of the IU name since long ago. She seemed to get everything she could ever have wanted years back when it came to the contracts and its pretty clear that the old loen/kakao gave agreed to whatever she wished for to keep her in the company. Another indicator of this being the case would be that all her credits on komca is to IU and not Lee Jieun.


    As for the IU/Lee jieun split between her music and acting career, she also said that it was the directors/producers that wanted to use hear real name instead of IU, and that she didnt really care either way.

  • imo shes had control of the IU name since long ago. She seemed to get everything she could ever have wanted years back when it came to the contracts and its pretty clear that the old loen/kakao gave agreed to whatever she wished for to keep her in the company. Another indicator of this being the case would be that all her credits on komca is to IU and not Lee Jieun.


    As for the IU/Lee jieun split between her music and acting career, she also said that it was the directors/producers that wanted to use hear real name instead of IU, and that she didnt really care either way.

    We maybe reading too much into it, but I thought she said initially she did want to keep the careers(by extension names) separate, but now does not..


    Anyway without knowing the contract, we can only speculate on this tidbits.


    But yes, of the lot, who themselves aren't agency owners like Kang Daniel etc., IU might have the most control of her career.

  • We maybe reading too much into it, but I thought she said initially she did want to keep the careers(by extension names) separate, but now does not..

    Yea ive read it but i cant recall seeing an actual interview where she actually said that? Ive might have missed it, but i think it might just be the fans/media speculating that it would be the case,..


    This is what she said recently:

    “Unexpectedly, people in the industry want Korean names to be included in credits. There were times when crediting my name as IU was helpful to the works. Since using my Korean name can make it look more formal, I just let them use whatever name of mine as they want. In fact, it’s a little unfamiliar for me to introduce my name as Lee Ji-eun. During my recent interviews, I just naturally greeted ‘Hello, I’m IU of ‘Broker’.”

  • I think this is also one of the reasons why its important for fans to criticize their own faves rather than essentially becoming consumer puppets

    Exactly. Kpop stans blind devotion to idols are a curse. They won't be able to grow musically and artistically if fans are just gonna forced themselves to like every songs they've released. In the end, the idols won't be able to succeed individually if they part ways with their agency because of this reason. Being honest and critical about music should be normalize. But alas, companies didn't market theses idols as musicians, but instead as a product to be sold to young consumers and hoping for a bigger return of investment. It's just sad. Everyone is trapped here. Agency not knowing if they will get their investments to these idols so they have to do everything to market their 'product'. The idols being trapped in the system called kpop. And then the fans being in the same position as idols and capitalism.

  • Exactly. Kpop stans blind devotion to idols are a curse. They won't be able to grow musically and artistically if fans are just gonna forced themselves to like every songs they've released. In the end, the idols won't be able to succeed individually if they part ways with their agency because of this reason. Being honest and critical about music should be normalize. But alas, companies didn't market theses idols as musicians, but instead as a product to be sold to young consumers and hoping for a bigger return of investment. It's just sad. Everyone is trapped here. Agency not knowing if they will get their investments to these idols so they have to do everything to market their 'product'. The idols being trapped in the system called kpop. And then the fans being in the same position as idols and capitalism.

    It is trap sure, but all entered willingly for the fame and fortune it brings.


    Fans want that shared tribal emotion of adulating an "image", that's why the term "idol" is apt.


    Music, artistry.. that's all just an excuse.


    The idols may like it or not, they know where the money comes from, so will suck it up.


    So no 'alas', it is intentional.


    Now after few years of that, if they feel dissatisfied, there is a certain hypocrisy, like Cameron Diaz declaring at 50, that she is done being sexualized by movies.

    Do you think she or idols who regret, will refuse the residuals/royalties that come from their regretted career.


    Instead they can use their idol fame to pivot and follow what they want, without being ungrateful to their idol life, that would be better.

    And that seems to be the case with idols. I haven't read any successful cases who regretv their choices. Only the failed or abused people are sorry.


    Not different from other high profile professions.

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