Literally the only one being emotional here is you
U could just talk to me normally instead of throwing shades? i am arguing like everyone else and youre the one being weird throwing a tantrum like get out of my thread bc i disagree
If you read your own thread you would know which misinfo im talking about, bc i already pointed it
You seem incapable of what I asked of you. I don't actually care that you are being immature and hostile, but I have zero interest in engaging in that.
If you can't take a deep breathe and relax (because this is just pop music at the end of the day), then I'm not going to waste my time.
I think the point Ive fans are making is that you cant use the excuse about getting blocked by your own songs. Since Ive proved that they can chart both their prerelease and title at #1 consecutively, which is a boss move that i dont remember ever seeing before.
I think Made was the last time multiple songs topped Melon Weekly from the same album. But my memory is bad, so if anyone can offer another example of multiple #1 songs from a single album topping Melon Weekly, i'm all ears.
Also, are we sure it was only Attention that blocked Hybe Boy last year? My admittedly shaky memory is telling me that Pink Venom owned the #2spot for a decent amount of time back in Aug last year, not Hybe Boy.
Is that really an excuse? I think it's a flex. To date, the only group that has prevented NewJeans songs from topping the charts is other NewJeans songs.
How can you make that a negative? The best you can argue is that Korea liked Ditto a little more than OMG. That's...not a sign of weakness on the charts.
And on the Billboard Hot 100, OMG outcharted Ditto, so it paid the favor back.
To me, NewJeans has the impressive peak performance and the arguably even more impressive longevity. And not just "hey we're still on the Melon" type longevity but "we're going to chill on the top 10 until our 1-year anniversary" type longevity, which is literally unheard of.
I dont understand, you wanted a debate or a confirmation that nj is the most popular 4th gen gg?
If you want to hear it i can say that nj is the most popular 4th gen gg despite disagreeing.
Just dont spread misinformation about other groups and it's fine
Stop being so emotional, and please quote me only when you have something of substance to say.
This is a forum, a place for discussion. If this topic ruffles your feathers that badly, don't participate. If you can't discuss the topic without making it personal, don't participate.
How is listing NewJeans's achievements spreading misinformation? It's literal factual data.
Presenting the facts to support the premise of your argument is literally part of what a debate is.
I...don't understand why people are making this so complicated, and why one person in particular is acting like we're insulting their religion or personal identity by discussing the popularity of girl groups.
You know whoyou are. Please leave the thread if the discussion triggers you that badly. Anyway.
People. Let's stop counting comebacks and debating semantics.
The only reason NewJeans doesn't have more #1 songs is because NewJeans was busy getting blocked by NewJeans.
Attention blocked Hype Boy. Hype Boy blocked Cookie.
They're literally suffering from success. And I don't care what kind of house it is, being #1, #2 and #3 on every Korean chart for an entire quarter year is insanity we haven't seen since Big Bang at their peak, and I don't think even they did it for 3 entire months.
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I think the gap between them and the field, especially if you factor in global popularity, is already very wide.
NJ has two of the biggest songs in recent memory for sure, Hybe Boy and Dorito broke all of Dynamite's most impressive records (that i thought would last a decade at least ngl i was beyond shocked).
However, they technically only have 2 number one songs (Attendant and Dorito). Hybe Boy never got #1 for all its longevity (a lot like Spring Day tbh). And you could argue that Dorito succeeded because of the Winter Empty House syndrome where Jan/Feb are generally barren in terms of heavy competition.
Ive has FOUR number one songs out of 5, the highest UL peaks, and is just more consistent overall.
Ive is Twice and NJ is BP, simple as that. Twice dominated from 2016-2018 just like Ive is doing now, with BP making a huge splash the way NJ is doing now. In a year or two, we might see NJ take control like BP eventually did.
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Lol. They only have their debut and one comeback. Of course they won't have as many #1s as IVE, but it's the total dominance in the short amount of time that makes them standout. They broke the Korean charts in ways we've never seen, and are still breaking them as we speak.
Does nobody realize how insane it is that Hype Boy is still in the Melon top 10?
And people keep saying an empty house aided NJ, but who realistically would've competed with them other than IU and BTS? Two artists IVE would struggle to chart over as well.
NJ's biggest competition has literally been NJ, when OMG blocked Ditto from PAKs.
They are on the same level group popularity wise. But Wonyoung seems to be a household name in Korea at this point, that's why they get more points
I don't think they're in the same level group popularity wise.
Ditto has the most PAK hours of all time. Hype Boy will spend almost a year in the Melon Top 10. NewJeans already has the most cumulative weeks at Melon #1 weekly in girl group history.
They debuted and had one comeback and already achieved those milestones. Not to mention they've already charted on the Billboard Hot 100 with two songs.
Individual popularity? Yeah, that's clearly Wonyoung, but I don't know about equating that to group popularity. See Nayeon and Twice's charting for an example of why individual success doesn't always translate to group success.
From my perspective, the scale of their accomplishments before they're even a year old is so absurd and unprecedented that there really shouldn't be a debate.
Could any other girl group right now touch the Melon top 10 with a coke zero song?
I think they're a comeback away from being in their own tier among the current generation girl groups, but as I've lurked recently, it just seems like this isn't a consensus opinion at least on AKP.
Ditto's massive list of records aside, NJ occupying #1 #2 and #3 on every chart in Korea for 3 months may be the most impressive Korean charting feat I've ever seen.
We're a little more than 2 months away from Hype Boy turning 1 year old.
Going steadily build fandom after going viral, this is what ideal path for fifi to reach the optimal career. The hurdles are pretty much summarized on the OP title "they're not even talked yet by KPop community". They got a silence dead reception even after all of this.
Not being talked about in Korea doesn't mean they can't build a strong and loyal fandom. A whole Dreamcatcher exists, and they've enjoyed a stable career even though Korea continues to sleep on them.
I think it's way too early to project that Fifty Fifty will be a one-hit wonder.
Not like the rest of their songs aren't awesome, and I've heard Tell Me is already starting to trend on Tiktok just like Cupid did.
Rbw was poor, lol. Solar said herself howbad their dorm conditions during their early days. Their producer was well known but not that contributes to anything in kpop. Tons of well known producer has debuted their own group yet not successful. He has some connection but and that's it. The best thing Rbw do was they give a lot of effort to promoting mamamoo in their debut era. Being poor is not equal to being bad at marketing. Bighit is another example of poor company that doing great at their marketing strategy and. Which why I think it's perfect in 50/50 situation where the company is actually richer yet they don't really put in efforts to push the girls like what Rbw do to Mamamoo when their debut song doing well.
Anyway, it's crazy to say that Mamamoo never went viral among kpop community. They being the talk of the town after being invited and winning the immortal songs. I was in Korea back then when it was happening, people talk about them all the time bc of that. Since that, everything went really well for them and their popularity increase a lot.
You and I have very different definitions of going viral.
When I see the word "viral", I think of a single event or song that catches fire and catapults the group to fame--Hani's fancam, Momoland's Bboom Bboom, GFriend's infamous slippery moth stage. Mamamoo never went "viral" in that sense; they just went on shows, especially Immortal Song 2, and steadily gained incredible popularity for being so awesomely talented.
They debuted in 2014, got their first major hit in 2015 (Um Oh Ah Yeah) and then became an undisputed top group in 2016 when they scored a Perfect All-Kill (You're The Best). That was years of work and building towards something great.
We're debating semantics really, but there is a massive difference between how Momoland got popular and how Mamamoo got popular, and also a reason why Mamamoo has sustained for almost a decade while Momoland disbanded 4 years after their smash hit.
Also, Kim Do Hoon being a respected producer absolutely contributed to Mamamoo's success. Bumkey, Wheesung, Baek Ji young? Those were huge names at the time, and they featured on Mamamoo's pre-release songs due to their connection with Kim Do Hoon, which helped get a lot of eyes on them early. Let's not undersell his involvement in their early success.
You agree that Mamamoo was promoted well in their rookie era, right? Well what era do you think Fifty Fifty is in right now? For a small company girl group, maintaining popularity and growing a strong and loyal fandom like Mamamoo did should absolutely be a goal.
Can u read what I wrote back? I said Fifty Fifty's company actually in better position, more stable and comfortable than RBW before Mamamoo went popular. This is not about Mamamoo's condition or position right now but in the past when they were still a nugu. This thread is not even about a one hit wonder, Gfriend is not a one hit wonder too. That person I replied to said, being in a small company making people not interested in Fifty Fifty's members even after their song went viral which I simply disagree bc groups with more poor company like Mamamoo and Gfriend able to attract people attention without big company backing. That's all. Who said Mamamoo not doing great now, you just need to enhance your reading comprehension 🤭
Your comments still don't make sense. Mamamoo never went "viral" and things like TikTok obviously didn't exist back then.
Their producer was well-known for producing big hits, and early on into their careers, RBW promoted them brilliantly in ways that showcased their talents and personalities perfectly.
You can criticize a lot about how RBW has handled Mamamoo since wanting to distinguish themselves as "not the Mamamoo company", but they hit nothing but homeruns when Mamamoo were rookies.
Also, RBW wasn't even that poor. K-Pop was/is just one aspect of their operations.
Momoland is a much, much better comparison than Mamamoo, and yes, even GFriend.
I think they are in more stable and comfortable position than Gfriend, Mamamoo or Momoland before they went popular. Fifty Fifty's company already have some sort of relationship with Warner since the beginning. Even BG members get a lot of attention and offers after their song get popular. So, I don't think lack of backing from powerful and rich company actually play a big part on how people didn't pay attention to any of their members.
Why on Earth is Mamamoo being name-dropped in a thread about a viral girl group?
They weren't one-hit wonders and they steadily rose to becoming one of the top girl groups in Korea. What's unstable about having #1 hit songs for multiple years in a row?
Mamamoo is about to start an arena tour in the U.S. Nothing about their career arc is unstable or uncomfortable.
What they achieved, without going viral, is what Fifty Fifty should actually be aiming to accomplish. Because Mamamoo is absolutely the bar for what a small company girl group can accomplish when starting from basically nothing.
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All the comments on music quality are annoying. That's completely subjective and a lazy explanation. Mamamoo had songs chart well after HIP.
They're also in the middle of a successful world tour, so can we stop pretending like their fans moved on. We are all still here, I go to concerts with the same people and we are selling out arenas.
In Mamamoo's case, don't overcomplicate things and create false narratives. They essentially went on a year+ hiatus as a group right when the new generation hit their stride in 2021. By 2022, the girl group kingdom fully belonged to the next generation--all the top performing songs were 4th gen groups.
Mamamoo having dominant charting in their 9th year would be a great thing to see, but they don't need it. We buy their albums, merch and attend all their concerts. The members are enjoying all of the individual activities they've wanted to pursue.
