but don't be surprised if they become the biggest GG ever in K-pop.
I expect this to be the case, and I don't even think it's a hot take either, based on their trajectory and long list of historic accomplishments as a group in just one year.
Been in the K-Pop rabbit hole since the tail end of the 2nd generation, and I've never seen a group debut and speedrun K-Pop the way NewJeans has.
Because Mamamoo are near an inactive group for the last 2 years, received basically 0 promotion outside of Korea in their entire career and sell like 100k .
It's not disrespectful to but Mamamoo in the bracket they belong. They are an aging group with a comparatively small fandom based on all metrics and they just sold like 70k tickets in the US....yet brand new, shiny GGs that have albums over 1m in sales in a week, or even a day, and they can't tour anywhere like that? Even globally some of these groups can't get 70k never mind in just the US alone....but MMM can? A near 10 yr old group who've, as said, basically never been pushed or promoted outside of Korea at all?
As I said in my later post, using album sales to quantify fandom size isn't always reliable, and it is the least reliable metric to measure the demand for Mamamoo. Even when they first started the concert phase of their careers back in 2016, every venue sold out instantly, even when their album sales weren't anywhere near 100k per comeback back then. Plus you said "based on all metrics", but you've only mentioned album sales.
Also doing a flat comparison of sales across generational gaps is very questionable, as the landscape of the industry has changed dramatically, and as far as I know, nobody has a fool-proof formula to adjust for how much album sales have skyrocketed across the board for girl groups.
And just because Mamamoo never pushed outside Korea doesn't mean the demand wasn't always there. You're talking to someone who went to all of their US events but one, prior to their world tour. People have literally been waiting years to go see them in person outside of KCON.
That's why I think using them as the barometer to judge 4th gen girl groups by is very questionable.
Well Mamamoo just had a 70k arena tour in the US while their last EP sold like 100k...but 4 1m seller GGs have tours recently in the US and are playing theatres and bingo halls and still struggling with ticketing.
I've yet to see any 4th gen GG not have embarrassing touring, I mean Aespa played the Tokyo Dome I guess...
Album sales have never been an accurate representation of the size of Mamamoo's fandom, due mainly to the fact RBW never prioritized selling lots of albums in their marketing strategy for Mamamoo, regardless of demand, and MooMoos aren't a fandom that will bulk buy nearly enough (especially 9+ years in) to hit any major milestones like we see today.
Is there a point you're trying to make here, or maybe you can break down why it's a bad thing to not tour as well as one of the biggest girl groups of the third generation?
Mamamoo was the first 3rd gen group to have their own concert tour, and the first group where its members had solo tours.
Don't be disrespectful
I didnt accuse them of that lmao. I said the title was deliberately controversial.
Prove it with something objective and not something rooted entirely in conjecture.
Your agenda is clear and obvious
Happy Birthday to the maknae on top!!!
Monday morning in Korea is going to be some chart insanity
Um.....who's going to tell them?
Didn't expect 4th gen to get smoked this badly
newjeans have been slaying since debut. i don’t remember in my entire six years of kpop, anyone having such a massive debut and releasing hits after hits (not to jinx it or anything). baemon have a high chance considering them being blackpinks sister group and debuting a month after bps contract renewal which could go either way. currently, ive can challenge them in korea for sure but i doubt they’d ever have such a major international impact. the current gen in kpop is so oversaturated. heavily promoted groups are flopping (nmixx) and then random groups pop up with the biggest hit ever (fifty fifty). Kind of refreshing and extremely unpredictable. It could be years till we crown the one top of this gen. It was easier to do so with bts/blackpink because they out dominated across all metrics. right now it’s just so divided between so many groups. one has great sales (aespa), the other has great korean charting (ive), another with the western numbers (newjeans), completely different one with YouTube records (nmixx, gidle)… there’s just no clear winner
Nah. NewJeans is pretty blatantly the one top right now.
They have the ultimate combination of every factor you just listed--charting, sales, international, domestic, and no girl group is even in their stratosphere right now.
NewJeans has spent their entire career in the Melon top 10. Just think about that for a bit.
this, if its anyone rn its them. a month ago I would have said fifty fifty too
Even before the drama, I never considered Fifty Fifty a serious contender. People clearly obsessed over the song more than any of the group members--they needed to prove they could follow up one of the biggest hit songs in K-Pop history, and their company failed them.
NewJeans have been on the most historically dominant stretch to start a career in K-Pop ever, and it's not even remotely close.
They have set the bar so impossibly high honestly.
Babymonster is the only group with an outside chance at rivaling them
Actually, even earlier this year, ULs were pretty healthy starting with Ive in March. Kitsch peaked at almost 500k UL. Then I AM peaked at 580k UL. Unforgiven followed with a 440k peak, Spicy with 465k peak, and kwinka with 505k peak. We also saw a B side from LSRFM make a huge move all the way to 320k. With Super Shy starting at 270k, it's max peak imo is 540k but to get there it's gonna need another viral push.
Didn't people here establish that those songs benefited in some way from the 4-week chart that has since been discontinued? If my understanding of that chart's impact on Melon is accurate (and people can correct me if I'm wrong), then a flat comparison of ULs between songs released during and before/after that era might be erroneous.
Kitsch and I Am and Next Page are superior 
