Posts by Yama-Chan

Quote from selfmate

but why? why is impact more than just charting and sales? what is your basis for claiming that sales and charting don't matter when it comes to impact?

Because I personally find that to be an unnecessarily restrictive, binary definition of impact. Did you or did you not sell a lot of albums?

I'm not trying to send a stray at Stray Kids (no pun intended), but their Spotify and sales numbers are superb yet nobody would even think of them in a discussion on most impactful group of their era.

It can be part of the conversation but not be the entire conversation.

Quote from selfmate

para 3 - good that's a start but isn't that a subjective measure? one person might say BP influenced them or an idol might say they got into kpop because of BP is that impact? how many idols need to "reference" BP in order to be impactful?

what of fans? Like obviously I'm one person in a million who got into kpop because of BP's D4 and I'm sure lots of others as well - is that impact? vice versa I'm pretty sure lots of people got into kpop because of snsd. I hesitate to make this claim (since kpop has grown massively since snsd's time) but what if I make the argument that more people have gotten into kpop because of BP than snsd - is that impact?

some in the public perceive BP as the biggest kpop GG in the world - there have been comments like Global Girl Group - is that impact? vice versa - snsd were the first??? group considered Nation's GG - is that an example of impact?

furthermore BP is still currently active which means they are still leaving their legacy and building their impact no? SNSD has been around a lot longer than BP has so obviously their impact potential is higher than BPs since they had more time to be impactful (if that makes sense)

Good points. Honestly? There is no real infallible method for answering most of your questions. We would need to run multiple polls and analyze so much data to even come up with a theoretical answer, and even then it wouldn't be conclusive.

That's if you look at how many people became new fans because of a specific group.

Of course, one could easily argue that the newer groups were able to have the opportunity to bring new fans in BECAUSE of the impact of a group like SNSD, who were at the forefront of the Hallyu Wave alongside their peers. There is some give and take there though, for sure.

You can't attribute all of BP's success to their predecessors, but you also have to acknowledge the doors opened by said predecessors. It's a nuanced conversation.

This basically covered your part 4 too.

I personally became a K-Pop fan because of 2NE1 and Big Bang. I have no allegiance to SNSD, andy roots are clearly with YG acts. Yet and still, I feel like SNSD are the most impactful girl group in my time following this industry, and I'd just like to see SOME type of argument to the contrary.

You raised good points though. Thank you for actually engaging the purpose of the thread and not lashing out defensively.

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SNSD will forever remain as the most impactful kpop girl group. Blackpink will never be even half as impactful as SNSD. Their songs aren’t iconic per se, they don’t have stellar discography either. They are more like Instagram influencers.

You do not hold back on this topic. I co-sign and back your initial statement at least.

It would be nice if a Blink could make a cogent argument for why they think otherwise, and stop acting like radicalized fanatics attempting to silence and attack me personally.

Quote from monalisalove

You apologized bc you talked shit to others that even mods had to interfere, bfr, different situations!

I advice you to wait my apology while laying down on bed

Another false statement. No moderator could ever make me apologize for anything. And they were completely uninvolved in the situation I'm referring to. But that's beside the point, which you're really adept at avoiding.

The topic of discussion shouldn't be the barometer for how you behave and represent yourself in said discussion.

I don't care if we're debating McDonald's Happy Meals, quit it with the baseless accusations and presumptuous conjecture.

Quote from monalisalove

What case? I'm just laughing at you acting like 2ne1 is a BB case when clearly they aren't.

Your take is delusional and you will refuse to see anything bc it doesn't help your narrative! Good life!

You don't have to participate in the thread of the premise triggers you so badly. Take care.

Quote from selfmate

the question as always isn't what group is more or less impactful than another but what does impact mean

Unless one defines impact to include some objective measure then all it is is people having subjective opinions as to what is impact

I agree. Defining impact would be the most important step to complete prior to establishing who had the biggest impact.

I've already implied I think it's more than just placement on a music chart or sales.

I think it's now you changed the industry itself, how you influenced the way the public perceives and consumes said industry, how many doors you opened for the generations that followed, and how much of a metaphorical footprint you left in the end.

SNSD was so impactful that YG was openly desperate to have his own YG version of them. And JYP DID make his own version in Twice.

Quote from monalisalove

Being the first means nothing much when it's your junior who is remembered the most with the gc concept and BP revived gc concept when everybody was doing cute.

And DaisyTheGenuine what did YGE said again? I always forget the quote, but I'm sure it's more about yge formula than 2ne1 itself bc both marketing was totally different. But go live in your delusional world!!

Not being the first to do something is actually huge in a conversation about impact.

There have been plenty of generational pop stars over the decades, but Michael Jackson was the first and remains the most iconic artist perhaps of all time, even though he doesn't own all the records that a Taylor Swift may now hold.

So, I consider this a milquetoast argument at best.

More ad hominem is not helping your case.

Quote from icyruios

So even you think they are disbanding ok ......

I didn't say it and you can run through all my posts and you will find nothing. You however explicitly said and thinks they are disbanding

You should have more faith in your faves

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Whatever you say Petty Betty.

I wish you were actually good at being shady, but you can't even pull that off any more than you can pull off not being triggered and big mad every time someone criticizes IVE or even questions them

LOL I GUESS IVE IN THEIR DISBANDMENT ERA

Be for real. You took the time to search and bump at least a dozen old threads criticizing IVE after you were sure they had a hit song.

You clearly care. A lot.

Quote from monalisalove

I can feel the intention

And I don't owe you an apology, this is kpop, a hobby, not your life decisions!!

It doesn't matter what we're discussing. There are rules and guidelines on this forum and any other space for a reason. That means you are held accountable for the things you say, and since your comments were completely out of pocket, I'll be waiting for that apology. I assume you have at least that much integrity. Even I've apologized before on this forum

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

Yama-chan, anytime you insert sports into any argument, I immediately skip over everything you said.

It's simple really.

Every modern day player will say the legend from the previous era was the player they grew up watching and idolized. More so than someone who retired 22 years ago, Michael Jordan.

Yet you don't even have to know a thing about sports to know Michael Jordan is arguably the most impactful athlete in human history.

Hence, I didn't like your choice of argument, using the fact current day idols look up to Jennie as proof that BP is MORE impactful than SNSD.

Quote from monalisalove

Bc you can't. Teddy is the mastermind behind yge formula with BB, 2ne1 and BP being his biggest success.

I love how blackjacks act like 2ne1 is some self made group like BB when in fact they aren't.

You're focusing on the process instead of the result. Classic logical fallacy.

It doesn't matter HOW 2NE1 was formed and marketed, so long as they were the FIRST to really popularize and platform girl crush concepts.

And this is a conversation about impact, particularly in comparison to SNSD, so don't waste time trying to bait a derailment into a 2NE1/BP argument, though the fact YG himself said he made zero effort to differentiate 2NE1 from BP is a bit of a red flag in this conversation.

Quote from monalisalove

Why bring up njz and others users to this? Unlike you, who is a bunny, I don't keep up with all njz threads, I wasn't even here when the whole hybe mess started so you won't act like I'm a neutral side to njz hate when I do defend them when I see idiots saying shit.

But the fact that you got upset bc I'm here, replying to you in your not shade thread, instead of finding months ago hate comments about njz bfr.

I brought it up because the hypocrisy is hilariously obvious. I've been completely benign for almost two months in every thread, yet I've seen multiple users, including the one you just gassed up, leaving ignorant hate comments about NJZ like this is kpop_uncensored

Yet these same people melt down when I talk charts, even in a thread like this where I didn't say anything remotely unfair or untrue.

You can search my entire thread history right tf now and you won't find a single negative LSF thread. Instead, you'll find several praise threads.

So you can let go of this narrative about why I made this thread. And if anything, you owe me an apology.

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

Damn near every 4th and 5th gen idol names Jennie as their idol

That's a weak argument. That's kind of how generations in any field work. Immediate predecessors influence the up and coming stars who follow them in the industry.

Michael Jordan was inspired by Dr. J. Kobe Bryant and LeBron James were inspired by Michael Jordan. Every modern day star was inspired by Kobe and LeBron.

That doesn't suddenly mean those two are considered more IMPACTFUL than Jordan. Hell, one could argue Steph Curry is more IMPACTFUL than either of them quite easily, and I'd bet all my assets that more current players would still name LeBron as their idol.

So I dislike this argument.

Can you try another?

Surely a group this impactful should be ready to give an even brief breakdown on exactly how impactful they are, right?

I asked a question straight up. Why can't you Blinks answer it instead of deflecting and resorting to personal attacks just because your tribalism was triggered by someone who dares to question the forced narratives about a group?

It's not like I accused them of reheating 2NE1's nachos

Quote from monalisalove

I know you used to be a hybe stan, but let's not act like you did this thread in good faith when you know that like njz, lsfrm is also going through their biggest hate train ever and obviously their charting would be affected by it, specially in sk.

But it's ok, they are already doing good!

It's not that deep. It's a chart discussion thread. I love how you're in here speculating about the nefarious intentions behind the thread, when you can just READ through it and see that I've attacked LSF a grand total of 0 times and have actually defended them multiple times.

I always discuss the charting of major releases from top girl groups. This isn't something brand new and it has no dastardly, devious agenda behind them.

It's. Just. Chart. Discussions.

But the way you people react to it, you're more upset about these kinds of posts than users like patrik-k or poteto making disgusting ass inappropriate and problematic sexual comments and "jokes" about NJZ

So miss me with the performative outrage over my threads.

That is all.

Quote from Cold_Wave

magnetic was a smash hit. cherish not doing so good doesnt change that. its not like cherish flopped thaaat bad. reached #36 on melon. if this was a mamamoo song you wouldve called it a top 40 hit.

It's 2025. Girl groups are held to a different standard today, with the bar being set so high but the new generations.

Compared to the top hits of the past 3 years, Cherish was a massive flop in every way.

Their digital and physical metrics, domestically and globally, fell off a cliff.

Stop being sensitive and just accept it. The numbers show this.

What makes it even worse is that it happened on their very first comeback, which is when girl groups typically make their big jump as of late, including even their peer, BABYMONSTER.

So, they have to prove themselves again.

And I find it funny so many of you go aggro over these FACTS and keep whining to me, when the poll results show that majority of the people here even agree with me and haven't even chosen ILLIT as the most likely to get the next big hit, and that's solely because Cherish flopped that badly.

Oh, as an aside, stop mentioning Mamamoo. It doesn't bother me. It never has. It just makes you look ignorant and immature.

If Mamamoo had a top 40 song, I'd applaud them for having much better results than their last comeback. That's all. I certainly wouldn't call it a smash hit. Context matters.

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Holy. Bunnies do not **** around. Watch this get zero media coverage

But I'm open to reading and reviewing any arguments to the contrary.

I know Blinks overrate their impact in the West (BTS, they are not), but now you've all become bold enough to say they're more impactful than THE SNSD?

Has this forum become as cooked as K-Pop Reddit except we replaced the rampant brigading from toxic ARMY from x/twitter with Blinks?

I would LOVE for one of you to explain in detail what makes BP more impactful than SNSD, and the argument better not center on Billboard charting, because that's just simply success NOT charting.

Quote from monalisalove

Yama when creating this thread: wow, maybe they fell hard..

*HOT start doing good and going top20 in all kcharts*

Yama: ok, so they need top10 and a top5 for this cb to be considered a success by my measures

Don't be stupid and use that grey matter in your skull. I'm a Fearnot, genius. A year ago people were accusing me of being a HYBE stan and now suddenly I have an agenda against LSF, even though I was the one making all the promo threads about them leading up to their Easy promotions.

I've never said a negative word about the girls, but you sensitive ass salty and spiteful girl group stans want to get in your laughable feelings over chart discussions.

Get over it.

Quote from icyruios

They have no new content from their faves, so they are obsessed over other groups charting.

They are going to talk about how their faves are getting so much digital points without any comeback while all those points and streams and sales are going to Ador's pocket to fund their lawsuit and lawyer fees against their own faves

After this post they will talk about IVE and Aespa because they have nothing new to talk about since there's no new music

Let them cope

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Oh yeah, that makes sense. Because the record shows that I never made any threads about charting when NewJeans was extremely active and at the top of the industry.

Oh wait! You mean a quick review of my thread history and the timing of said threads would reveal that you're full of shit and trying way too hard to hide how triggered you are about people discussing how IVE has fallen far from their 2023 peak?

Who's the one coping, you projecting maestro of cringe

Since we're going full mask off, you are the last person that should be in any thread bitching about charting, since your entire personality has devolved into denigrating NJZ and mocking them for risking their careers. And you have the audacity to cry like an oversized baby any time anyone criticizes IVE purely based on stats and achievements?

Please.

I make a thread or two about charting every now and then, while you're being a toxic loser celebrating the disbandment and bullying of idols

Good look.

We tried being nice, and clearly you're all not happy with it. Congratulations. Let's return back to our old dynamic.

SNSD had more impact on K-Pop than BLACKPINK, so yes.

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I have a legit question, i am sorry if it comes across like i am trying to start shit or something i just want to understand, why do Tokkis love to blind themselves about the situation NewJeans is in, don't get me wrong i understand wanting to be positive and wanting to be hopeful but sometimes it feels Tokkis are trying to delulu themselves into thinking everything is ok, like let's be honest here both sides are trying to push the narrative, NewJeans isn't as hated as haters claim but i am also sure their support from the general public is starting to change, i don't understand why fans want to act like NewJeans popularity won't be damaged in the slightliest or that every comment that doesn't align with themselves is a bot or paid by hybe or a troll

My Karen in Twice, NJZ and Tokkis have been on the receiving end of an unrelenting, hateful crusade led by the most toxic, spiteful and deranged netizens in both the international and Korean fan spaces for literally an entire year. Please don't ask us why we prefer to stay positive.

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The hate train NJZ have received strictly from international K-Pop netizens is the worst ever

Yeah, I said it. I thought about phrasing the title as "the worst I've ever seen", but honestly? That qualifier isn't needed. It is objectively the worst hate train ever conducted by international K-Pop fans.

It's time to have a honest dialogue about it, outside of Megathreads, and I'm not looking to turn this into the Suffering Olympics, so I'll talk strictly about NJZ.

It has been almost a full year since HYBE announced their audit of MHJ, followed by MHJ's press conference.

When I say there has…

Yama-Chan

Mar 17th 2025

Read through this OP and you'll see that no sane Tokki is oblivious to the hate. But if you think we're going to throw up our hands and eschew being defiant in the face of rampant bullying in favor of being as depressed and miserable as the people engaging in the bullying, it's just not going to happen.

It's always the same users joking about other groups having their careers jeopardized and being the target of the most degenerate, disgusting hate comments that suddenly want to play the morality police and get offended over chart discussions.

Typical.

I've been calling them a legacy act since I made that thread, and I'm not moving off that opinion no matter how many Blinks cry about it and make temper tantrum reaction threads.