Posts by ilikeJB

Quote from superyeah

They often leave out South Asians and sometimes Southeast Asians when it comes to discussions about Asians, which I find unfortunate. South Asians and Southeast Asians are very much part of it. Generally speaking, we all share similar values and traditions culturally. Even when we're in the West, there's parallelism in the ways we navigate life. We deal with similar issues. Whether or not we're Asian enough — just one example.

To answer your question, most westerners definitely still see him as an Asian person. Whenever I've seen western media talk about him, they've referred to his Asian identity. There are a few people who have edgy takes about this, but I think they might be projecting their own insecurities.

You mean insecurity to anything "white"? That's a bit depressing, I mean obviously I know there is a privilege in being of white race in the US, but the fact that one would let that be an enabler for them to blast anyone that even has a tinge of "whiteness", that's a bit sad.

Quote from mashimaroluff0

lmao if i didn't know he was half-white (which i only found out just now) i wouldn't think he was white or white-passing just looking at him and I already watched that movie 3 times.

it seem like this twitter person has a very wide range of what they consider as white or white-passing but a very limited range on what is considered "Asian". This is a very big continent yet most people think of East Asian features as the "Asian" features which is already an insult. This probably why people are mad.

Even local people here didn't know.

Quote from superyeah

Oh, by the way, I don't think this is a debate, at least not with us. I think all of us here are in agreement that he looks Asian and deserves to live his life being proud of his Asian identity. Good on him for proudly representing. I doubt anyone on this forum would say, "No, he doesn't look Asian."

Yeah maybe you're right. My question is how the west sees Asian since I find that most westerners thinks Asian as only East Asians.

Quote from superyeah

He definitely looks Asian to me and is "qualified" in that sense to represent. Most importantly, he also recognizes himself as such and makes it a point to state that it's a huge part of his identity. I don't think anyone should try to take that away from him.

He could definitely pass as someone who is fully Southeast Asian or East Asian. In the West, he's definitely perceived as an Asian person.

Since your PP is Bambam, it reminds me of when people knew Bambam's heritage is technically Chinese (there is a lot of Han Chinese in Thailand) many western fans started saying "Then he's not Thai!" Which really grinds my gears because being Chinese does not mean you cancel out the country or the region you are born in.

Quote from zuzuhhaa

i did, my point still stands. half or full, he's asian, end of discussion. people who say you're not enough of this or that annoy the fuck out of me

Just so you know I am not the one stating that Henry Golding is not Asian enough.

Quote from superyeah

I have to correct you on this. Simu didn't audition for the Nick Young, main male lead, role. He auditioned for multiple supporting roles, such as the best friend of Goulding's character and the husband of Gemma Chan's character. He didn't get any of those roles.

Simu's recent comments definitely opened up an interesting discussion about the casting decisions for that film, though.

The person who plays Gemma Chan's husband is Pierre Png, an actual Singaporean. So its actually better to cast a Singaporean than a Canadian for a Singaporean role.

Golding's best friend was Chris Pang who is Chinese Australian, but again, that just means Jon M Chu prefers Chris rather than Simu Liu. Similar to Brenda Song whining that Jon didn't ask her to audition as if it was a race problem in the casting (it was an open casting call) and its not like she lost the role to another race. But like acting wise, any director would have chosen Constance Wu.

Quote from alexS

As somebody who had no idea who he is, he does look asian to me.

I guess he takes after his mom?

Probably, he's like really "local vibe" until he speaks in his English Accent. Which is not far from truth since many local parents here send their kids to the UK and gets a British version of them when they came back. Golding is from an indegenious tribe in Malaysia. And he also basically left the UK when he's of age and went around a year in Sarawak Malaysia going through the rite of way of his tribe. He even was awarded tribal tattoos, cementing his ground as an Asian more than anything. Its another reason why Malaysian and Singaporeans defended his "Asianess", its because Golding is more than proud of his own race.

Quote from alexS

look Asian enough?

That's a dumb take on race.

And in life in general

Thus why I am curious on how the west actually viewed Asians.

Quote from superyeah

It's in the context of representation. It's a constant topic of discussion when a person of color, who may be biracial or looks racially ambiguous, takes on a representative role. Some have concerns that the person was only chosen because he or she is white-passing.

The locals in Singapore and Malaysia only knew Golding's dad is white when his dad made an appearance in his social media. We thought he was just an Asian Iban raised in the UK. So I dunno how he out of all people could be white passing when even the locals see him as just Asian.

Quote from dummi

Yes and what I'm saying is that this is not something that most people here think. This is the reverse of the one drop rule and its usually seen in Brazil. Im trying to say that the people saying that are the minority and most Americans wouldn't agree

Well what is sad is that the person who said Golding is not Asian enough is also a minority themselves.

Quote from zuzuhhaa

bruh this is so fucking stupid what do you mean "asian enough"

Read my Opening for context.

Quote from dummi

You should know something, here in the states if you are mixed, white with another ethnicity, you are automatically not considered white socially. This is also called the one drop rule (this rule was specifically made by racists back during slavery to say that one drop of black dna in a sea of white means you are black) and it extends to all ethnic backgrounds from what Ive seen. Americans on twitter really fail to convey an accurate rep of sociological tendencies here

But its the reverse for Golding's case. He's mixed, doesn't look white but because of his half white, he is considered white immediately.

Quote from dummi

who died and made us the judges of Asian-ness tho? the dude does not look white to me tbh. I don't think most Americans would view him as white, people on Twitter are crazy and eager to prove that they're hip and cool, and that they are social activists sticking it to the man ☠️☠️☠️

It did however brought most of the South East Asians to twitter to defend Golding. Like 1000 qrt bashing the US's limited view on what Asians are.

I saw Malaysians and Singaporeans basically lashed out against an American on Twitter for stating Golding is white passing since he's half white which is the reason why he even got the role. Thing is he doesn't actually look white, he looks exactly like your local South East Asian person and I am saying this as someone from the SEA. Then there is Simu Liu who stated that he lost the Nick Young role because he doesn't have the "It" factor which reminded me on Brenda Song who whined that they didn't even call her to audition. Seems like the director Jon M Chu, who is Asian American of Chinese heritage, didn't think Liu or Song is good for the role and that's about it.

But I am curious, especially those in the west, does Golding like not look Asian enough for you?

Quote from kazuyakamenashi

True but the fact is like i said Money is Money. Throwing out these big names in western and kpop is pointless, because all those different companies including newer ones will always need someone to work with, not everyone can afford to hire a list help some small time dude like jae eventually will get a shake at things in the future as whatever company takes him will see they can make x without spending X to get there. Where as getting x by getting a big name means spending XXXX money they don't have to try and turn a profit there's a reason everyone and every company out there doesn't hire top name celebs because they can't afford that celebs price.

Either way in these situations with companies time heals all wounds give it a few months or year and the company he worked with will have forgotten about this shit and throw him another bone. Give it a few weeks or a month and other companies that have never seen him before will give him a shot.

those big name celebs chooses represent, not the other way round. They choose it to raise funds for their foundations or campaigns. The celebs are not paid to endorse, they collab for a cause. Even Jae’s merch was for a foundation. Recently they get more love calls from bigger name celebs that wants to collab for many foundations. Compare these big names and Jae, who they gonna choose?

Jae manages the collab because one of his friend is a head exec there and that friend is also friends with the likes of Jamie, Mark Tuan, BM, Peniel, Amber etc. If that friend in represent is like Diane Kang from Dive Studio that sides with Jamie for this issue, there are chances that he lost represent.

He wasn’t a good colleague by the looks of how his manager celebrated his leave and unfollowed him. And now he shows he’s not that good of a friend. Its gonna be real hard for companies to take him because he has several red flags to him already (bad attitude, lack of camraderie, lost of core fanbase, a ticking bomb on any interviews).

Quote from Millano

I didn’t know Dive so I looked them up. Looks really interesting:-).

They are talking about him on twitter?

Jae has a show with them

Diane Kang is the lead producer for Dive Studios (eric nam’s podcast, bm peniel ashley’s podcast). She was actually shading someone else in her previous tweets and fans went to her basically either asking her to not jump into conclusion or praising her. Yet when she saw Jamie replied, she got the gist of everything and stated she stood by what she said, which is basically very much disagreeing with Jae’s actions.

Quote from kazuyakamenashi

Yes but it will die out. These companies are looking for profit over time they will work with him again especially if what's being offered has huge profits coming. They work with him long as he stays problem free. Companies unlike people don't hold a grudge forever, eventually they will work with him again.

the old saying "Money is Money" applies here

Money is money. However, Represent is rostering Friend’s cast, Leonardo Dicaprio, Jamie Fox, kpop idols with much more presence like Exo, Got7 etc. They don’t actually need Jae when they are already working with people that can give them more profit than he could.

Quote from Millano

But they could just be unfollowing rn and then refollow later idk

But he’s a loose canon so they might want to be safe

They could but represent is as it is called, they represent. And they take it seriously on which celebrity they work with and what they represent. Jae is not even a high seller in represent. Literally they have Friend’s cast, Leonardo Dicaprio and Jamie Foxx in the represent roster, they don’t need Jae.

For Dive, most of their producers are women and most also worked with Jamie. One of them, Diane is also particularly upset about it. They work hard to represent Foreign Koreans in South Korea. This could lead to something more personal to them.

Quote from onwards

.....so I was on twitter just relaxing (trying to calm my anger) and someone reposted something, and its the full ass video and its so much worse than the snippet we saw.

I actually didn't think it could get worse, but watch all 4 videos. In the 4th one he goes does this imitation of her asking why he called her that and he the says 'due to your posting of these kinds of pictures with these kinds of poses it makes me believe that you are perfectly described under that description'.

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There is even one part (video part 2 I think) where his stans use it as a shield, where he compliments Jamie’s monster vocals yet they choose to ignore that he also ended that sentence with “her image tho… I dunno”.

It gets worst and worst. And these two more videos just… ughhhh!!!! I still remember Jamie specifically talking about her struggles with her body image and people being misogynistic to her and he, her supposed friend is basically doing everything on one stream to hurt her.

Quote from kazuyakamenashi

True but this isn't a very serious issue. This "cancelling" will die out in about two weeks and be forgotten about. The bandwagon will move on to bigger fish to fry. Then he will come back maybe with some fire af song or some touchingly meaningful song that resonates with alot of people's feelings or cause and completely forget about his "past"

Its not a serious issue but its serious enough to affect his professional relationship with others. Dive producers who he actually have had good relationship with before is also taking offense and siding with Jamie. Even the merch brand he worked with, represent, they had already unfollowed him on IG. While the main mass audience may forget, its already recorded in many professional companies and production that this guy is problematic and can bring harm to their brand.

Quote from centen

Really throws out the theory that "Jamie would have found it soooooooo funny, lol."

And that's something I kind of hate about these kind of "jokes." It wasn't even a joke. There was no setup, no punchline. Just calling a woman a thot and then backpedaling into calling it a "joke" once he got criticized.

Like I said earlier, I'm not particularly riled up about it because I've already come to the conclusion that he really is as big of an idiot as he says he is, but I'm sad for Jamie that this was something sensitive for her and she feels hurt by her friend.

Even before Jamie said anything about it, she kind of already said a lot in the past that such misogynist slurs hurts her, so as her so called friend he should have known first hand that its never a "funny joke". All the people who have followed her for years knows before Jamie state anything that she wouldn't at all find it funny.