Posts by Tr12345

Quote from Yinye

Since April 2024 MHJ’s first press con - is not 2 months lol.

It is so annoying to see that just because I am an ARMY - some of you jump to auto = HYBE stan. How many times must I say it - I stan BTS not HYBE.

I am not against NJZ. I am a fan and their songs and have always wanted what was best for them - the members- and even for them to their own lawyers to protect their interest and themselves from both MHJ and HYBE. They are talent and do not deserve to have their career ended over this mess.

If they want to go independent and leave HYBE/Ador - it is fine to do so. They have the right and there were ways more efficient and better ways to go about it. Their actions clearly demonstrates they do not have their own lawyers and now they don’t even have proper PR firm. They are all in with MHJ. I do not even blame the members but I do blame their parents for not prioritizing their children above MHJ.

Tampering accusations and leaving per MHJ’s potentially illegal plan and other issues dragging other groups into this mess and employee B - I put that on MHJ. Criminal and court proceeding will decide these. Why are fans ignoring all the informations about MHJ’s misconducts? Also, MHJ and NJZ accuses HYBE of misconducts and it’s assumed as facts. I think MHJ is suing HYBE and subsidiaries too - so we shall see the results.

NJ want out of their contract, they could have at any time - do what is necessary by going to court and negotiating with ADOR/HYBE or if their mistreatment claims are valid, show the evidence in court as other idols who won their cases in the past to leave their contracts. But why don’t they do it? We know it is because they follow MHJ. Does she really have the girls best interest?? How in this entire mess she used them as a shield and fans fail to see this.

Fans like to attack calling people HYBE stans when we just are pointing out how dangerous their actions have been to themselves - especially should MHJ be convicted or if they did not find investors to buy out their contracts. And if they had investors it goes back to HYBE/Ador’a whole reason for doing the audit in the first place - because MHJ had this plan to tamper etc.

If HYBE did illegal and misconducts as claimed, I hope NJZ and MHJ will bring it to the court and legal process and win and be free as they wish. I do not recall the girls filing for anything and it is only MHJ.

But base on all the data I have read from the start, I do believe that MHJ did do tampering and she has been caught lying multiple times re investors meetings - so we shall see what the court and police say.

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Let me summarize the comment in four words: Yup, a HYBE stan.

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Quote from SooYoung

Is there any psychologist on AKP who can explain the mecanism behind this ????

So, as I'm not a physiologist, I handed your question to Chatgpt and here's the answers:

Yes, psychology can explain this kind of behavior through several cognitive and social mechanisms:

1. Cognitive Dissonance – ARMY may experience discomfort when confronted with information that contradicts their deeply held belief that HYBE (and by extension, BTS) is a force for positive change. Instead of reconsidering their stance, they resolve the discomfort by rejecting the source of the contradiction (NewJeans).

2. Group Identity and Loyalty – Many ARMY members have a strong emotional connection to BTS and, by extension, HYBE. When NewJeans' situation challenges the integrity of the company, ARMY might feel the need to defend HYBE to protect their identity as devoted fans.

3. Parasocial Relationships – Fans often feel a personal bond with their idols. Since BTS members have generally stayed neutral or even supportive of HYBE, ARMY might unconsciously align with them rather than an "opposing" group like NewJeans.

4. Moral Licensing – People who believe they support a just cause (e.g., "BTS changed the industry") may unconsciously dismiss new injustices because they assume they are already on the morally right side.

5. Ingroup vs. Outgroup Bias – Even within K-pop, fans can develop strong tribalism. ARMY may see BTS as the standard-bearers of industry change, so when another group (NewJeans) challenges HYBE, they view them as an "outgroup" rather than allies in a shared cause.

Basically, many ARMY members likely don't realize they're contradicting themselves. Their attachment to BTS and HYBE influences how they process new information, making them more likely to defend the company rather than support NewJeans.

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You..believe this ?

Yeah, because it's a pretty common and cheap tactic used by businesses—honestly, a pretty stupid one to apply in the entertainment industry. Like the article itself even mentioned NJZ's dispute with their company, even though it's not related to the topic at all. And why is that? Kinda surprised you think so highly of these companies that you find it hard to believe they capable to do that.

This is exactly why Tokki are so fed up. People said fans were overreacting, but this is really too much. Some Hybe stans are suddenly token stan this group just to drag NJ. So no wonder the fandom is upset. And now here, their company is even using NJZ’s tough situation as media play. Like, how do you take inspiration from them and then trash them at the same time?

What makes it worse is that Starship isn’t even trying to hide it. If you check NJ’s Naver search ranking, this new group is ranking higher than NJ in their own fucking search. How is that even possible?

They really need to realize that negative viral marketing can backfire, even if it gets people talking. And if people remember well, SS did this to Wy before when Ive still rookie and girl survive because she's THE Wonyoung.

I'm not sure if this is the girls or not, but the application was filed on February 10 this year, just a few days after the new name was announced. It was under the name Park Sung Man (companies often apply using someone else’s name first). What makes me think this might be them is because the classification codes, since they include ones typically used for idol groups, specifically the most important service classes: 35 (business) and 41 (entertainment)

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Anyway, it's actually nothing since there's basically no info there. I just wanted to share my 3 a.m. discovery with yall since I can't sleep.

At this point, give Hanni a gun, so she can...

This is seriously impressive af! Last year, Lsf made history as the first girl group in 20 years to hit over 2 billion in sales in a single year since 2003. Their total sales were 2.1 billion, the same as Nj this year. Just to add, in 2023, LSF dropped two Japanese albums, and both sold over 200k copies each.

Here’s a breakdown of that figure for Lsf:

49% came from streaming platforms, 31% from singles, 18% from albums, and 2% from digital downloads.

As for NJ’s Japanese release, it’s a bit tricky to pinpoint how much of their sales came from Japan, since their album wasn’t exclusively released there like most Kpop acts’ Japanese albums. Estimates suggest it’s over 100k, so I’m curious about their specific revenue breakdown. Are you telling me they thrive that much just from streaming because that's again impressive. Unfortunately, this specific breakdown was released by Hybe, so I don’t think we’ll ever know the exact numbers for NJ.

Quote from jojo7

I knew you were going to bring up the ads, that's my bad and also NJ has the advantage of having more videos on there (BM=369, NJ=684).

So let's compare their content views only. Idk I don't think they use that much ads on their content so I think it's fair to compare their original variety shows:

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BAEMON TV + NEWS 7 - 6 videos, started Mar 6, 2024

3.7M + 1.9M + 2.6M + 759K + 1.5M + 499K = 11M

JEANS ZINE CAFE + BAKERY - 7 videos, started Aug 7, 2022

535K + 1.3M + 398K + 1.7M + 309K + 994K + 184K = 5.4M

JEANS ZINE SCHOOL + MBTI - 7 videos, started Sep 10, 2022

214K + 1.4M + 175K + 555K + 1.7M + 890K + 348K = 5.3M

JEANS ZINE YEAR END PARTY + SEOLLAL PARK + VDAY - 6 videos, started Dec 22, 2022

521K + 471K + 1.4M + 849K + 732K + 489K = 4.5M

JEANS ZINE GAME DAY + DANCE - 6 videos, started Feb 16, 2023

949K + 907K + 667K + 612K + 584K + 1M = 4.7M

JEANS ZINE GRANNIE'S FARM + OFFICE + GYM - 6 videos, started Mar 23, 2023

1.5M + 988K + 801K + 619K + 1.3M + 842K = 6M

JEANS ZINE DEBATE + ROOM + OUTDOOR - 7 videos, started May 11, 2023

1.6M + 855K + 1.4M + 768K + 1.7M + 1.1M + 950K = 8.4M

JEANS ZINE GINGERBREAD HOUSE + GAME - 6 videos, started Jan 18, 2024

649K + 468K + 943K + 948K + 586K + 569K = 4.2M

JEANS ZINE DEBATE + OUTDOOR + NIKE - 7 videos, started Apr 25, 2024

1M + 571K + 631K + 505K + 689K + 880K + 718K = 5M

Even with NJ's contents having the advantage of being released way earlier, BM still has way more views. But I don't think I'll convince you since you still insist on BM using ads for their contents too. I tried so let's just agree to disagree. I still think BM has more fans watching their contents cuz of their hardcore SEA fans.

Hmmm Forbes, how did they come up with that? Isn't Forbes the same one who said Kylie Jenner is a billionaire but took their word back and said she isn't actually one? I mean it was pretty obvious you thought I was an army with that lil 7 comment.

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So, this is your comeback? It's honestly laughable. Are you really so obsessed that you count everything one by one? Baemon using ads in their content isn't even a secret. Just look at the early discussions about them and how people talked about YG overusing it, people noticed. Obviously, I disagree because this isn't even close to being accurate. I present real data, and here you are, embarrassingly counting things one by one. Seriously, it's creepy too. And obviously Nj had more videos is an advantage to them, that didn't prove them doing bad there.

And just because Forbes made that mistake, does that mean all the data is wrong? Like, did they even taken back their statement this time. So, what's the problem. Also, Forbes Korea has its own team, separate from the US one. I'd rather trust this source compared to the one you presented.

At the end of the day, you're wrong. In every angle, Nj is not bad in Yt. How it's hard to accept?

And now you put words in my mouth? You have the number in your username hence why I call you that. Now you blaming me lil 7?

Quote from superyeah

jojo7 is very bright! They just missed something or didn't consider something. Don't be mean!

Hence why I said sorry in advance 🥲. I didn't want to be rude too, but oh boy...

Quote from jojo7

I'm talking about CONTENT VIEWS on their channel and I'm not talking about Korea only or how much money they generated on YT or Youtube MUSIC

https://charts.youtube.com/artist/

Total views

Global · Dec 1, 2023 - Dec 1, 2024

BabyMonster: 2.37B

NewJeans: 1.99B

BabyMonster is a younger group than NewJeans and they got better views. Just saying overall with their popularity, not many people are tuning in to watch their contents because they are boring variety wise. I'm no lil 7 lol bfr!

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I believe you're not that bright, to be honest. Sorry to be harsh, but seriously, didn't you check first at least? You’re talking about content views, but I bet you didn’t realize BM released their MV on their OWN YouTube channel, not on YG’s. So, how those mv views get separated here? And not to mention, the views include ads, which we all know Baemon uses even for their content. If not you actually only just proving my point that Nj really doing well there.

Also, the Forbes literally list powerful YouTube channels among celebrities in Korea, like how you think they earn those money if not from their views? Like think a bit? Hybe groups like Nj only use their channel to release personal content, not Mvs. Yet, they’re still up there with groups that release Mvs on their channels. And you want to tell me they have low views on their content? How it works? And you have that number 7 on you name, it's not an insult to call you that. Never said you're part of any fandom.

Quote from jojo7

Why not? For their so-called high popularity and success, their youtube views for their contents are bad

Show me the data proving they're doing that poorly and the views for their contents are bad. Like give me the numbers. And you're acting like Nj isn’t still such a young group, with their main company trying to bury them even before they celebrate their 2nd debut anniversary. That’s the only thing holding them back this year. Yet, here’s my data showing how they’re performing in line with their popularity on Youtube even as a very young group. So, Lil 7, show me your proof that they’re doing badly compared to their peers.

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Quote from jojo7

I've noticed they do not have many fans watching their youtube videos and their engagement is low. Are they boring to watch like NJ?

Why is Nj catching strays here? Their Yt engagement is solid, and their personal content always trends in Korea. Their mv are just long, have multiple versions, and don’t use ads like other groups.

It’s not cringe! This song is the SOTY in my house. It’s so catchy, and the vocals are chef’s kiss. People are sleeping on them!

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Isn't this person the Tokkis' lawyer? Is this case imploding? I'm confused!

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Tokki Lawyer? That guy spreads so much fake, ridiculous, and disgusting 'news' about the whole hybe vs Mhj feud on Twitter. He’s even claimed that the Nj girls are 'selling' themselves to old men for support, that’s how disgusting and unreliable his tweets are. He’s also a Fearnot, but Armys on Twitter back him because they hate Nj so much that they treat everything he says as fact, even though he never provides valid sources. He’s also a sexist and racist who hates other girl groups that are a threat to Lsf.

Apparently, he comes from the infamous GP999 DC Gallery—an incels hub that's also a big fanbase of Lsf. It’s a place where bunch of incel men create fake rumors to ruin other female idols and girl groups' reputation (even before the feud between Mhj and hybe, there was already talk about how Lsf's Korean fandom was the most hated in the Korean kpop community because of this behavior). Even Belift and Dispatch supposedly use that place as a 'source,' which shows just how ridiculous and baseless their so-called evidence is.

Quote from Tatiana1820

me loving her and not hating her is based on facts. (talent, courage, good treatment of njs) or the abscence of these reasons/facts you seem unable to find.

in contrary, i can give you so many facts about why hybe/bang are utter evil.

that's the difference.

Tati, use your shaman power and predict what will happen next

Quote from patrik-k

It's really funny how one sided the rabbits are....... it's kind of entertaining to watch.

It's more entertaining to see how you're not even a fan of them or any hybe groups, but you're still so deep into this. Obsessed isn't even the right word, because even those hardcore hybe stans here gave up on this feud ages ago. Like I get why that Killingsomething user is so crazy since she is a hybe stan, but you don’t. And as someone who only watch from the sidelines, you weirdly always projecting the worst for the girls. You’re not even neutral anymore for it to just be some normal unbiased opinions or justify your obsessive actions on Nj and this whole feud

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

① Let me start with the conclusion.

"Adore has neither the will nor the ability to protect New Jeans."

To fly freely like a bird. (But the bird is not bound by a contract to a tree branch.)

New Jeans plans to follow Min Hee-jin. A representative who has the will and ability to protect them.

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Here we go, hybe ’s media play is starting to pressure the girls. They are now bringing out the big gun as their big weapon. It’s crazy how Dispatch are more invested in this issue while ignoring all the hybe controversies this year, including how Bang is currently accused of a huge fraud that will become bigger news than a group of idols terminating their contract. They paycheck must be that fat.

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So if they terminated their contract with Ador, how would Hanni be allowed to stay in SK?

Most foreigners working in Korea have their Visa sponsored by the company they are contracted with, and ending the contract risks the visa.

Wouldn't Hanni, who is likely on an E-6 entertainment visa and requires sponsorship by a contracting employer, in particular have to find a new contract and visa sponsor toot-sweet?

Would Hybe be evil enough to make her visa eligibility an issue?

I can imagine at her level there could possibly be some kind of exemption made, but it's something to consider

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I'm not sure if they go through the typical E-6 visa process, but if they do, Hanni and Danielle would have 30 days to find a new company to sponsor their visa. That’s why what Nj did is the best for them with this kind of contract termination, they can work right away, and Hybe can’t use that as leverage against them.

I’m wondering if hybe’s decision to suddenly make the old Pledis vp, who Svt was close to, the new Pledis ceo while still being the head of Hybe Label Japan means something. It’d be interesting if Svt left too, especially since Bsh and his gaming bros are trying really hard to cut down on their dependence on Bts end up running in circles. That would be funny.

Anyway, I hope the best for Svt and that they’re at least treated fairly and according to their worth. I don’t think they haven’t noticed by now the gap in treatment and favoritism between the hybe groups that were debuted by Bsh and his gang, and those that weren’t. Gfriend, Nuest, and Fromis end up with disbandment (not sure about Fromis, but still), and NJ is being pushed to the edge.

Honestly, they're weaker and more plain. No one's really standing out like Karina, Wonyoung, or Yuna individually. The discography’s not doing much for me either compared to the early 4th-gen groups. Dare I say, it’s the weakest start we ever see for a girl group generation...