Posts by Cashmere-Rose

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I'm just going to be real here.

For ILLIT, it's legitimately the exact same users I saw and still see shading NewJeans and Hype girl groups in general in every single thread about their accomplishments, when they don't make their own threads to hate them.

For Babymonster, yeah it's gotten stale to see so many threads about the same complaints. My latest thread was really just meant to acknowledge that Like That is great song and should've been their promoted title track or a double title track.

Honestly, it's not even just AKP. Take a break from here if you want, but I read even worse on reddit (god forbid twitter), and it's not even getting downvoted.

If I were a hardcore stan of either group, I'd just stick to discord at this point, because the negativity and hate is over the top, and no matter how strong your mentality is, it is draining to deal with on a daily, constant basis when you just want to enjoy a group and its music.

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This is what I mean, im not really active here, i am on reddit & twitter but it was too much AND here, its the same. To make a thread criticising is normal. But for them to go every single thread for MORE than 10 days ruining the joy for everybody is not and its no longer criticism its hate

Quote from Antifragile

yea people are really annoying

people have every right to criticize and have an opinion but some of this is toxic. People don't need to spam their negativity in every single positive thread about them.

BuT It'S My OpINiOn yOu SnOwFlaKe

Yes and it's an opinion that you don't need to obsessively spam

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I mean right, you expressed that opinion thank you, move on. Let the fans enjoy now

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There are so many threads about both lmao

Kpop seemed to quiet down just slightly after all the crazy 3rd gen fanwars, but now the fanwars are going nuts again

Fanwars can be handled, its the full out hate that i cannot. Like ILLIT and BM are receiving that from literally every fandom available its not centered to one! 😭

Quote from YamaChwan

So this is just my read on everything I've read and watched regarding Baemon's debut and now subsequent comeback:

YG had the perfect opportunity to zag, when everyone expected them to zig, but they wasted it by deciding to zig as expected.

Basically, when there was still immense interest and excitement over what the next YG girl group, Babymonster, would bring to the K-Pop soundscape, a lot of people were expecting YG to give them essentially a BP song but hoping it would be something different and outside their expectations.

But that's exactly what he did, and a lot of people, myself included, were disappointed. And these were sentiments I saw expressed by Korean netizens in translated articles, and their charting there reflects that.

Babymonster ARE talented, and Ahyeon in particular blew me away. To me, songs like Like That suit them so much better than forcing girl crush down our throats for another generation, and it's so different from what BP put out as well.

I'm just a consumer with an opinion at the end of the day, not a company executive, but I can't help but feel it was such a misstep.

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I do agree that they need that extra special thing to really shine, YG did miss to add that.

its tiring. Leave them alone

If a group does really well like ILLIT, they cry payola, not real, fabricated, hybe evil.

If they do lower than expectations like BM, they cry fake streams, bots, fandom mass streaming, YG paying ads.

And funnily enough same excuses for both .

Like leave both alone. Its seriously tiring. Not ONE single thread that is positive for both groups on ALL platforms!

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You know that most listeners listen to Spotify because of the playlists that the company makes. And imagine, people play sports, drive a car, work, or do something else, they don’t always switch tracks, thanks to this illit has such high rates, they just shove them into every playlist and it can work not for a week, but for months, just listening to this track in the background without attaching any meaning to it. So this is complete nonsense what you write.

Play list reach for them at debut days were the same as BM. But they moved up and BM moved down. It depends on the song.

I am not saying hybe is not promoting, they absolutely are, but if its a not liked song it will not rise to this level.

Quote from doesitneedsaying

Easy is better

I really like both, lesserafim has that touch on me

Easy/smart/swan song are alternating for my fav song of the album

actually this is such a Smart/Easy situation.

Everybody liked Smart more, but it is not Lesserafim concept, Easy is. So what Source did is the best, week later nad they started to promote Smart. While keeping their image!

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I couldn't disagree more. The target image was poorly conceived, and the ramifications of that poor choice is that Korea isn't interested in listening to their music at all, because it's a dish they've been served before, and they're ready to sample something else from the menu. But YG insists on serving them the same platter over and over.

That's the issue here. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever that would distinguish Sheesh from any other song in BlackPink's catalogue, and that was absolutely not the case when BP debuted. Whistle and Boombayah did not sound like a song I'd expect from 2NE1's discography.

Like That should've at least been pushed as a double title track and heavily promoted, to show off Babymonster's talents in a way that isn't immediately overshadowed by and compared to their predecessors. That's just how I feel at least.

Look, as a fan of the girls, I do want an image for them that is more vocal focused since 7/7 can really sing.

However, GC sound if done right is good, and would be expected (and very much liked) only from YG. I DO agree that they need to distinguish more from BP, like instead of empty choruses focus on vocal choruses, but not to abandon Girl Crush, as the girls really suit it.

And girl crush does not need to be rap focused like BPs. Shooting Star type of concept or Shut Down type would be best, Girl Crush with focus on vocal.

I do agree on the double title, thats what I said that I wish YG would adopt fromBP as they did double titles or if not a second title a heavily pushed b side from Day 1 (forever young, pretty savage, etc)

Like That is soooooo good, but would be away froma GC concept, thats why its better as a 2nd title/pushed b side.

This is what a fan (like me) would want, as opposed to a casual listener like you would want from the girls.

NO company ever can push a song to reach 4 million streams. At best they can push it with Payola with extra 600k, and mind you, they are still not in TTH.

Yes, they started with a privilege as literally everyone one and their mother checked them at debut since HYBE promoted them alot, and HYBE promoted on spotify, but they are playing the fair game but because the song is GOOD and catchy, they managed to increase.

If people did not like the song it would have fallen after 2/3 days but its now day 10? And they are still growing their streams.

Its not Payola now.

Think.

This is not YGs target image for them, Sheesh was a better title track for them as it is their concept, it was the right choice.

However, they need to push Like That as a second song. YG had a tradition with BP that I wish he would continue with BM is that they push a second song from the album simultaneously with the title, not after weeks.

And I mean in performances, she always has alot of lines I do not mean that

She is a killer performer, I actually put her at no. 3 in the performance ranking.

The problem is Baby Monster has many key members, all of them deserve to shine so I really hope she is not neglicted

In Batter Up, she was given two killing parts in the chorus and dance break but in Sheesh she was more just a vocal member I barely saw her in the performance video so I hope this does not become the trend

Also Rora needs more attention girlie is a killer visual, vocal and performer and surprisingly, she suits Sheesh the most imo!!

I actually think it is good, but that last part after Ahyeon high note is absolutely unnecessary.

Their vocals are gold though YG really should kot waste them

IVE as a brand name in Korea is still more popular, lesserafim still needs to promote to have their songs rise or trend

IVEs members on average are more popular in Korea.

Internationally, lesserafim are trendy. All of their comebacks trended and each one had more hype and stability than the before one, so I would say they are not a trend anymore and have solidified their name. IVE did not keep the trend, although both have a big fanbase.

So, in general I would say IVE is still ahead as Korea has more weight + album wise IVE is ahead

idk about Japan

BOPPP

OMG its everything. Easy, Smart, and Swan Song have been on repeat. I need them to promote them too like teb previous comebck with Eve

The ones complaining its not energetic, how?

I literally shake everything when its on, a song does need a loud base to be energetic!

IT GIRLs were never about talent in the first place.

Ahyeon was being named as an IT GIRL ironically for her visuals that resemble Jennie too

Stray Kids LALALALA, because I did not like their previous releases. Then a real wit the piano sound came and I was like INTRESTING

NMIXX were never meant to be the group that will hit the public. It was obvious, they are marketed as a boy group and their songs are always performances focused. And I think JYP is okay with that.

For ITZY, their reason is not bad songs. Their songs are still with their sound. Their issue is that they are competing with groups that have more popular girls. ITZY when Aespa debuted were still beating them internationally for a year, LOCO was getting 1m+ streams and the girls were trending, not viral but trending. but JYP did nothing. At that time SM pushed Karina and Winter more when they stareted trending. And now, with all the groups debuting, the solos are going for them. And lets face it, GGs fandoms are built on akgaes/solos. They stay long term, not the whole group fans, because they, more often that not are multies, so they are not as invested.

TWICE had the same issue as ITZY, but for them the girls actually stayed getting viral with no help from JYP. And JYP depended on that, so when TWICE focused the activities on the west, they stopped having viral moments in S.K, they started declining and then the whole wave of new GGs came.

#just my two cents

Well you said it -- you "feel", you haven't been in the right space then

When they had their comeback there were talk about them, critic & praise & all.

I for an example barely see any updates on aespa recently, or TWICE, or even IVE aside from the recent battle between IVE fans & NJ fans... it just that I'm not in the spaces to feel their presence, since I barely follow them & rely on AKP which is practically dead aside from each group respective comeback

New jeans are young, they won't show sex appeal at this age, and frankly it would be wrong if they do...

Their concept would grow with them, they won't stay 15 year olds forever, and they will not stay with this concept forever, I feel NJ startegy is to grow with their audiences...