I think it's necessary to point out that when 2ne1 or other 2nd gen groups achieved the kind of records NJs is doing now the charts were way different. Before the chart reform artists with some hype could reach #1 easily. This meant it was easier for these artists to get many songs charting high, but they didn't have good longevity because other artists would do the same. Most of these records were achieved already but those songs flooding the top3, 5, 10... couldn't last there more than a couple of weeks.
Also before the price change (2013) the digital market was focused on downloads so this happened even in a more obvious way.
I don't want to underrate these artists achievements (in fact the 2nd gen is my favourite by far) but for NJs to achieve this in an era where songs have this longevity and it's way harder to chart high is really different. The record might be the same because the Melon chart is still the Melon chart but context is really important, the situation is completely different.
Edit: Btw it's going to be funny to see OMG blocking Ditto's PAK, it looks like Vibe won't do it so Ditto could have a shoot to become the song with the most PAKs ever but OMG is probably going to reach #1 in Youtube this next update.
As an ex mod I found the argument some pages back so annoying lol, I'd askyou guys to stop the discussions once they become personal because, believe me, from a 3rd person point of view you're never going to look good even if you don't have bad intentions.
Anyway regarding the argument, I'd just say that to say anything bad about NJs and Ive is simply ridiculous. Like I said NJs probably had the best debut ever and Ive is literally pulling out a Twice level first year, I guess the arguments comparing them will be impossible to avoid eventually since it looks like they're going to be the top2 groups but I'll just appreciate how great they both are performing.
Also, PAKs are irrelevant, Ditto's performance so far is really good but PAKs shouldn't be used to measure the song success. It's just a really good beginning and the long run will tell where it stands.
I think the overall performance is the key about NJs, to talk about Ditto is normal since it's the #1 song right now but that is just like when Tomboy, Love dive, After like or Next level were there. The difference is not the song, it's how dominant they're everywhere, they're doing great internationally, in japan they're rising too, their physical sales are better than any other group just counting the debut and 1st comeback, obviously a crazy digital performance in korea (literally Bigbang level right now, their debut album is probably the biggest gg album in korea since 2ne1's in 2011)...
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Back then this would have been huge but I guess it will go under the radar now. Also since the chart reform this kind of artists have struggled way more to chart like they used to, anyway it's always nice to see one of the biggest names of the Korean industry (in terms of national impact) back.
First time I've ever agreed with you, but yes, I agree.
I said as much 2 weeks ago and everyone went sideways because of the example of HYLT/Lovesick girls.
I really don't get why companies do pre-release. I see no benefit to it. Ditto's timing and charting are one thing, but that's more to do with timing and their current popular status then anything to do with it being a pre-release per se.
nj droppin a single after a debut mini is already weird to me, isnt normally the opposite
maybe bc its was xmas they said: whatver let just do this 2 and go
new songs they release may not perform as ditto as its a single but they already release mini so why do other single??
I'm a bit confused, don't you see any advantage in having 2 hits instead of 1? Ditto is performing as good as if it was released alone as a single, or maybe better thanks to the boost it got when OMG was released, and OMG got hype enough to chart high anyway. It might not have a huge peak but if people like the song it's still going to be a big hit.
Also for NJs as a group, they have the charts flooded with their songs, anyone who plays the top songs (which is really common in Korea) are going to be listening to NJs all the time. The difference between that and having just 1 huge hit is really big for the casual listeners, NJs as a brand is growing like crazyright now.
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I've been reading the rest of the forum (probably not the best thing I've done, I know) and I have the feeling people don't realize how insane everything NJs is achieving really is, there has never been a beginning of a group as succesful and, in my opinion, as perfectly handled by the company as this.
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But why are people comparing Twice post TT with NJs? They debuted literally 5 months ago. If you really want to compare them you should do it with Twice in March 2016, or if you want to take the comeback as reference, with Twice in CU era just a couple of weeks after it was released when it hadn't broken any record yet and their physical sales hadn't blown up. People here are mentioning BP's debut for some arguments when it was 10 months after Twice's.
Also I'm not sure why people are talking about the competition they had, I don't think it's related that much to their popularity, but looking at how barely anyone is mentioning IOI or MMM I really doubt most people were into Kpop back then, sorry.
Like some people said the comparison should be with Ive, the hits they've released in their first year and how fast they've blown up (also with physical sales) is really similar. As a whole group Twice was probably a bit more popular but Ive has Wonyoungwho is more popular than any Twice member back then.
New jeans should not be compared yet, they debuted 5 months ago and they've broken records left and right, they already have like 3 big hits (maybe 4 if OMG's performance improves a bit) and other song with a good performance, 5 months into their debut Twice didn't even release Cheer up yet, Like ooh ahh was being succesful but not even close to NJ's debut, it was more similar to Eleven. Also Twice had Sixteen to build hype around them the months before and we all were aware that they were coming, they had the Jyp hype after all the previous super succesful Jyp ggs debuts, we already knew the members... NJ's debut came out of nowhere but it still smashed, New Jeans kind of popularity right after debut is probably something that has never happened before, the question is if they will continuelike this and keep growing or not but their roof is way above the rest.
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So random, there're some scary collabs in there (NJ & LYW would be crazy). I wonderfrom where did the account get the possible collabs but if they were all true and the show is a bit popular we'd get some big hits from there for sure.
Like we said OMG is doing a bit worse than Ditto so far, less anticipation and not being able to reach #1 because of Ditto itself. However the numbers are really impressive and they will start promoting the songs now. Looking at Ditto's performance I'm pretty sure its ULs didn't peak yet. I'm not sure about OMG since it's still soon and it might be people don't like the song that much, but it should rise with the promos anyway. Hype boy is just 20k ULs away fromYounha now, Attention is about to catch up After like and Cookie is also rising (Hurt too but not that relevant ig, but it still performed better than most other ggs b sides)
It's insane how dominant they are right now, if they have other comeback in the 2nd quarter of the year the yearly chart will probably be funny to look at.
There was a tweet around with the artists that reached the most weeks in the top 10 in a single year. IU 2021 had the record with almost 70 and Ive broke the record for a group last year with 61 if I'm not wrong. I'd say NJ can reach 100 this year if nothing weird happen.
Ditto would probably get so many PAKs if they weren't going to block themselves with the comeback. It doesn't look like there's anything else that could stop them in the next one or two weeks.
If Hype boy surpasses Event horizon NJ will probably have the top3 songs of the chart, I don't remember that happening in a weekly chart since BB with the MADE project in 2015, IU was close some times but that's it.
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It was a OST that was one of the biggest hits of 2014 (probably the most competitive year I remember btw), but it was just that, a big hit. It has always been in the top 1000, however a couple of years ago it started rising to the top 300 and top 200, really slowly but always rising. Finally a year ago it made it into the top 100 and it kept rising, it has been rising slowly all the year and it has peaked (excluding 2014) yesterday at #17 in the daily chart and it's #16 now in the 24h chart. Personally I've never seen a growth this slow and organic, I guess there was something like some performances or covers that helped the song get some boosts but it's still really impressive and the song might be a contender for one of the biggest songs in the platform eventually, it's at 6,6M ULs right now and we don't even know if it has peaked. The ULs are the same as a couple of months ago so I'm not sure if it's still rising or if it's just ''lucky'' that the ULs are right now low and it will start falling soon.
Does anyone know why the song is performing like this? Here I leave the Guyso link of the song.
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It will count normally, most awards shows tracking period start in November, I'd say NJ is the strongest contender for almost all the awards this year excluding the album awards based on physical sales.
Now I think the standards for a big hit is +15 weeks in the top 10. Most of the longest charting idols GG songs will be held by NJ, IVE and LSRF even fearless which didnt crack the top 10 will spend a year on melon.
It’s weird how Korean stream the same songs over and over while most of time when a song is turning a year people move on fast.
Like they mentioned in the discussion regarding the 24h charts, the fact that they were a country used to use realtime charts for so many years and the biggest streaming platform of the country decided to change suddenly to a 24h chart probably had a big impact on this. New songs don't get visibility enough and the public who has always used charts to listen to music just continue listening to the old songs.
I have to recognize until last year I thought noone was going to come close to BTS and BP numbers internationally and that they were going to be the peak of Kpop. Even though BTS is still probably going to be a wall after all their achievements and success, it's really nice to see the new groups performing like this, forget about the competition between them, it's really nice to see we can have a new wave of popular groups and that the overall performance is still improving.
IU's celebrity landed at 700k first day on daily, during 24 hits era, in a dead month. You overstate the impact 24 hits has on initial charting.
She was coming from1.1M and 1.3M in 24h so I'd say the drop is still huge. Actually the fact that IU never reached again 1M ULs when even her random collabs without any promotion could reach it before the change is a good way to see how the ULs have fallen.
I don't think I overstate the 24h impact, from one month to another new songs started to get around the 60-70% of the ULs in the first days, that's huge. Imo they don't have comparable metrics if the situation was that different when the songs were released.
That remains unchanged. You could argue it not immediately landing at number 1 had some affect, I'll cop to that. But both have comparable metrics.
The change in the charts had a direct impact in the amount of ULs the new songs were getting because of the exposure they had. Before the change big debuts (like HYLT) went straight to #1 and after that the ULs could blow up, but after the change songs struggled way more to be high in the charts and the ULs they got after that started to decrease drastically. You can see it if you check how before the change and even in late 2019 and early 2020 many big releases could reach really high 24h ULs (700k-800k 24h ULs was pretty common, the biggest acts always reached 1M) and after that we have never seen again numbers like that.
It was not just the change itself but the impact it had on the numbers, HYLT was released in a moment when 24h ULs were higher, so the situation is not comparable.
HYLT was released before the Melon system change, LSG was one of the first big comebacks that had to suffer the 24h chart, definitely not a good comparison.
It's true that sometimes prereleases can reduce the title tracks hype and make them chart a bit worse the first days, but when it's a digital monster (what NJ is right now) it's not really that relevant. BP's comeback this year is a good example, Shut down performed a bit worse than PV but it was one of the best debuts of the year anyway, the problem of BP's songs this year was that the public didn't click with them, it can happen.
Ditto is going above 500k ULs next hour, it would surprise me if OMG doesn't reach at least 400k in the first 24h, more than enough. Also I'm not sure how they're going to promote them, if they're going to start with Ditto now or if they are going to wait until they release the single and promote both songs (better choice imo, Ditto's start is crazy enough to resist at the top everywhere for a couple of weeks), but at the end the bigger one will be the one people like more obviously, just like Hype boy and Attention. Promotions and timing are relevant but to an extent, when you have a really anticipated comeback like NJ right now the changes are not very big specially in the long run.
Ditto's debut is amazing and the 2nd hour looks to be pretty crazy checking the 5 mins chart (and a bit more subjective but I really like the song and i think the gp will like it too), I can't imagine a situation where this doesn't become a big hit tbh.
Love dive and That that are really tied if we just look at the rankings, I think LD should win but That that could have a huge first week score and win, since we don't have the numbers we just can wait.
I really don't like they're using the global chart, the song of the month was the only award purely based on data and probably the most fair one (not of gaon/circle but out of all the award shows) and now we'll change it to other chart that we don't even have the numbers lmao. They could have made this new award but keep the old one too, this just pretty much shows Circle's obsession with wanting Kpop becoming global, which is understandable but I'm not sure if it's the best timing.
Blackpink still top gg and 2 songs in gallup top 10, Shut Down is Blackpink's second highest song ranking after D4 at #3 in gallup. I cannot believe no rookie gg is above them this year
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I think I mentioned it a couple of years ago in the old forum but I don't really like Gallup that much. I know it's considered the best poll for the general public but to ask people that might not be into what is happening could lead to these things. I remember in 2016 when SNSD made it into the top 5 without any comeback and Gfriend didn't make it, I was fan of both groups and I couldn't understand anything.
A random comparison but if you ask here in Spain about the most important football players in Spain this year, so many people would say Messi and Ronaldo even though they're not playing here anymore just because of the great impact they had in the past and because they're the first names that people think about when you mention football. Something similar happen with BTS, IU, BP... in Korea regarding the music industry, and the same happen with the huge hits. I think this shows more how well entablished these acts are for the gp, and for songs like Dynamite or TTN how great their impact was, but not a real ''2022 popularity poll''
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If we don't count project groups, probably X1's debut.
