I rlly don’t understand twice charting, they were #7 on Gallup with a bunch of heavy hitters on the charts. but can’t chart as well anymore.
Korea likes twice but not their songs?!? Smh icsm and the feels should have gotten paks
And nctzens, your fav is only charting high cuz of his fandom. Even then he’ll fall off the charts fast. Understand that already. Only place nct can even dream to outchart twice is kwangya
Most kpop groups get their streams from SEA and japan on spotify. Only bts, bp, twice, rv and txt have ever charted on usa spotify. I know some want to say yt is irrelevant because of ads but most of the time a popular kpop song will end up with higher yt views because of where kpop songs tend to be popular that is asia.
Wow not even Itzy or skz? Seems like txt is more popular here than I thought.
Only reason why Companies are trying to push more West is due to BTS blow up in past few years. I don't think any GG(not even blackpink?) is at that level in the West ( Blackpink I would say Asia is still their bigger market/fandom.) Itzy/Twice are getting pushed West due to Jyp new group debuting/Already have a Japanese group promoting in Niziu, less restrictions in Us with covid currently meaning JYP can setup concerts. You can tell Itzy is a lot more popular in the West just off this thread replies, But as far as I can tell it's alot harder to tell Globally.
Yes China banned Kpop groups from performing there, but that doesn't mean China fans can't buy albums and C-fans have massive buying power. I believe Lisa C-bar bought over 150k albums? So it's defiantly not a small market for Kpop even if it's banned. Japan is defiantly a big market for Kpop groups, not only buying power(Country population size>Korea) and accounts to someof these 4th gen Boygroups getting a ton of album sales. Dome concerts(obviously not happening due to covid recent years.) SEA countries delevoping of recent years that it's becoming a massive market for alot of Kpop groups. Overall yes Kpop is getting more known in West, but I wouldn't call it as the main focus for all 4th gen groups no matter what people say online. Asia is still the biggest market for alot of groups.
Yeah, bp isn’t near bts in western countries. In Asia they are more equality level but I think bts is still more popular, thanks to Japan.
Bp main market is Asia, they have the second biggest Spotify album debut there with the album in 2020. Only surpassed by Taylor this year. Idk why companies so obsessed with west when it’s hitting the jackpot in Asia that will help the group the most.
I don’t have much hope for stayc, they one of the gg most in risk of being overshadowed in the 4th gen race.
They will have to get constant hit in Korea, and beat out 4th gen gg like Itzy or kep1er so that int fans remember them. With the way stereotype performed even after the asap hype I’m not confident in that
Display MoreNone, i wouldn't consider any 4th gen GG can be consider as the overall winner internationally yet
Itzy seems to do great in western country, but in Asia they dont do better than other GG
in the other hand you have Aespa who seems to be the most popular 4th gen GG in Asia right now but didn't reach Itzy level in western country
and then You have the newly debuted GG IVE, who is currently beating a lot of achievement that previous GG did internationally, but it's still too soon to know if it's because the song is popular, or the group itself already gather a big fandom internationnally
none of 4th gen GG is in Blackpink position yet, where they are doing really great in western country and in asia country to be acclaim as the undisputable winner internationnally
Agree with this, ig Itzy is #1 but it’s by a small amount, people like to downplay aespa popularity internationally, Itzy isn’t leading the way aespa is leading them in Korea. With other gg debuts like hybe gg, nmixx, and maybe even ygngg I think it will be more equal. There will not be a bp situation in 4th gen for the time being.
Display MoreOk. Reading through the whole thread and thinking further upon some posts (with thanks to atropos, redcurtain and MassiveKpopFan among others), I got curious.
So I did a 'quick & dirty' scan for all the groups and their songs. Basically an 'How did the best performing songs of each of the groups fare?'
What can I say? It was a slow Sunday.
It did show me some surprising discoveries. What I found:
BTS: ON (peak: #1, wk 20: #30), Dynamite (#1, wk20: #3), Life Goes On (#3, wk20: #33), Butter (#1, wk20: #10), Permission to Dance (#2, wk20: #18)
Hardly any surprises here, BTS songs peaked high and had good to great longevity, and BTS even had 1 of the few super hits. What surpised me most, because I hadn't been paying close attention to them, was how active BTS have been the past 2 years. They had a LOT of releases, probably the most of all the groups listed here.
Blackpink: How You Like That (#1, wk20: #19), Lovesick Girls (peak #2, wk20: #8)
In contrast, BP haven't been that active and didn't even have a comeback in 2021. But the few releases they did have in 2020 did great, with high peaks and very good longevity.
Aespa: Black Mamba (#49, wk20: #147), Next Level (peak #2, wk20: #4), Savage (#2, wk 18: #20)
Aespa started slow, but with Next Level they really hit it off. Even more: NL did phenomenally and NL and Savage seemed to perform as good as Blackpink's title releases.
Oh My Girl: Nonstop (peak #2, wk20: #20), Dolphin (#9, wk20: #10), Dun Dun Dance (#1, wk20: #23)
There's no doubt about it that Dolphin has proven to be a sleeper hit. That said, all OMG's songs of the past 2 years show good longevity which makes OMG 1 of the most consistent top groups.
Brave Girls: Rollin' (peak #1, wk20: #13 *), We Ride (#4, wk20: #24 *), Chi Mat Ba Ram (#3, wk20: #80)
For Rollin' and We Ride I used the moment of resurfacing as their 'first' week on Gaon to determine where they ranked 20 weeks after that. Where Rollin' and We Ride did great, CMBR had only ok longevity which seemed to suggest that the hype around BG seemed to lessen.
Red Velvet: Psycho (peak #2, wk20: #29), Queendom (#5, wk20: #69)
RV had the disadvantage of being incapacitated for a long time. Of their 2 latest releases, Psycho did impressively with a high peak and good longevity, while Queendom had a good peak and so far an ok longevity.
TWICE: More & More (peak: #4, wk20: #86), I Can't Stop Me (#8, wk20: #70), Alcohol-Free (#6, wk20: #63), Scientist (#32, wk 14: #143)
TWICE songs showed the same consistent pattern, of good peaks and ok longevity. Except their latest release, Scientist, that seemed to have been a bust. Somewhat of a surprise, I wasn't aware that Scientist did that badly.
STAYC: So Bad (peak: #159, wk20: -), ASAP (#9, wk20: #26), Stereotype (#27, wk20: #148)
STAYC is another slow starter. But then they hit it off with ASAP that turns out to be a little sleeper hit, to my surprise. They couldn't maintain it with Stereotype though, it didn't do that great (for a rookie group still ok I guess).
Mamamoo: Dingga (#7, wk20: #60), Aya (#37, wk20: -), Where Are We Now (#93, wk20: -), Mumumumuch (#102, wk20: -)
Mamamoo shook me the most, tbh. I knew that WAWN didn't chart well. But I wasn't aware that almost all their songs charted that badly that most of them didn't even make 20 weeks on Gaon's weekly chart. Only Dingga had ok longevity.
ITZY: Wannabe (peak: #6, wk20: #62), Mafia In The Morning (#10, wk20: #116), Loco (#26, wk20: #165)
ITZY's chart results seem to indicate a declining trend. Where Wannabe still had a good peak and ok longevity, their latest song Loco ended up doing a lot worse.
IVE: Eleven (peak: #3, wk 10: #5)
For fun's sake, I added IVE. So far Eleven performs very well on the charts. But yeah, probably still too early to draw any reliable conclusions.
Conclusions: what could be learnt from those results? When it comes to super hits, looks like there were a few. BTS' Dynamite and Aespa's Next Level turn out to be true super hits with phenomenal longevity, followed by BP's Lovesick Girls, sleeper hit Oh My Girl's Dolphin and BTS' Butter.
Aespa, surprisingly, performed as good as Blackpink's releases: Next Level has even better longevity than Lovesick Girls (in wk 38, the difference is even #16 for NL vs #29 for LSG), while Savage and HYLT have the same longevity so far. For Brave Girls, it remains to be seen if their next comeback will still benefit from their 2021 hype.
TWICE's chart performances aren't what they used to be. While most of their songs still had ok (but not good) longevity, their latest release Scientist really stumbled. STAYC, while being a rookie group, still had a good year in 2021. Their little sleeper hit ASAP had good longevity. Mamamoo as a contrast didn't chart well at all with most of their releases of the past 2 years.
Which made me think the following ranking's closer to the real situation as it stands:
1. BTS
2-3. Aespa / Blackpink
4. Oh My Girl
5. Brave Girls
6. Red Velvet
7. STAYC
8. TWICE
9. ITZY
(10. IVE?)
I've bookmarked this thread, will be intriguing to see how things will change as the year progresses, and what unexpected surprises will occur
Savage is not on the level of hylt or lsg. Only 9 weeks top 10 to 16 and 22 in melon? Though I under your using gaon.
Channeling your inner Blackpinkhouse I see
OMG's new song is gonna be huge in terms of seeing how well they can hold up in the big leagues.
If the song does well, they could be the #1 gg in korea for a while depending on when YG decides to give Blackpink the comeback
Thats huge for them and the fact that they have been Blackpink's sole competitor for the past 2 years is insane
Yg really taking their time with bp comeback. All the other top gg coming out with bangers and bp is still in basement.
It surprises me bp we’re able to stay #1 last year with no comeback and multiple hits from other ggs. They can’t pull that this year though, everyone is fed up with this hiatus
Competition for #1 gg will be big this year, everyone is gunning for that #1 spot while bp sleeping 
Display MoreI think you're mostly right. The obvious choices currently are:
Brave Girls (at least until we see how their next single performs)
all those groups released singles that finished in the top 50 (and actually top 30) on the Gaon Year-End Chart. If you want to include Twice (Alcohol-Free finished #68) and Red Velvet (Queendom at #87 (and Joy's Hello at #72)), then I wouldn't argue. Both of those groups have really famous brands so I think they at least still have the chance of hits down the line.
The interesting one is Itzy. Itzy's MITM finished at #92 for the year, which I think is disappointing for them but for most 4th gen groups it'd be a huge success, so I think it's fair to at least consider Itzy a relevant group digitally, certainly moreso than any NCT unit.
That stayc sneak. I know y’all like them but they only have one hit with asap. Stereotype just did a bit better than loco. We have to wait to see how this comeback does
Bp, literally the only kpop gg that’s ever been #1 girl group
It shouldn’t even be contested but people still like to downplay bp ig
Well it’s harder for men or women to learn a hard jump in figure skating after 18. Tracy Wilson who works at tcc said that if a male skater doesn’t have a quad(s) by 18 it’s unlikely he’s ever gonna get one. Probably is the same for women.
You have to learn the jump sort of young-ish (not like at 11 lmao) then maintain it. Most adult skaters jumping 3a did it this way, like wakaba higuchi. While the quad jumpers are not old enough to see them keep it (and I think only Sasha, and some of those juniors will keep most of their jumps, quad technique in Russia seems to have improved as some skaters lack the peroration on them. Though those skaters are not Eteri but plushenkos)
Yes women do go through body changes witch makes it harder to rotate, but if taught the correct technique they can usually overcome it. as good technique let’s you jump with your legs and muscles. That’s why it’s so important to have a good base as a younger junior skater so that you can keep those jumps. Look at people like Yuna Kim, midori ito, and Carolina kostner. They had good technique ( yuna and kostner are some of the most textbook jumpers the sport has produced) and were able to keep their jumps even after going through a period of struggle (kostner)
While it’s well known that if a skater had bad technique on their jumps young they are probably gonna fall apart in the future. That why people are so up n arms about Eteri, besides the fact that her skater had an illegal substance in her system her skaters had improper technique that was going to make it hard for them to transition from teens to adults in the sport.
Boombayah is probably the most popular kpop debut internationally
Hopefully the failed drug test thing gets sorted out.
the decision will be out in about an hour. Unknown wether she’ll be pulled out of the individual event or not.
She tested positive for a drug that’s helpful for angina attacks… except she’s a highly competitive figure skater who wouldn’t need that. The drug would have helped her with stamina though, and allow her to train more hours.
Not really suprising, her coaching team in general has been under fire for years for a bunch of unhealthy practices. Things like overtraining and eating disorders.
it’s unfortunate but it’s apart of the sport. It’s just a risk every single skater takes. It’s happened to him on other occasions as well. This also happened to Mao asada at the 2010 Vancouver Olympics.
Hanyu is still a favorite for bronze, if he skates well he will medal. He’s been able to bounce back from stuff like this. 2017 worlds when he ended 5th in the short only to have the skate of his life (and what most agree to be the best mens free skate ever) to win his second worlds title.
In 2019 world championships, he popped the same jump a quad salchow to a double in the short program, but he ended up 2nd due to a good free skate
No, it’s just that she’s a fan of IU
