Posts by essentialm

Quote from stan12345

The Conservative leadership during that period is still one of the biggest stains the right has. The politicised aspect of the show (i.e. JTBC being right leaning, the elections in a few months etc) could and I think (hoping anyhow) is just a coincidence. But if your the right-wing in this situation, anything that legitimises some of the actions undertaken in that period is a small step.

By showing there were North Korean spies posing as students is one thing that provides credence to the arguments used by the ruling party to search, detain and oppress students. Whether the ML has taken part in the protests or not isn't relevant (and we currently haven't see him do that), he's still there with the pretense of writing a thesis. Scheming happens on both sides.

You'd want to influence younger minds as they are the future voting population and are also easier to influence in general, especially through a huge kdrama. I don't think you can swing either way on whether this is being pushed as propaganda or not yet. If the things about the writer and her husband are true (and she sort of has history with Bridal Mask), it would add more credence to the argument it is though.

In the most recent posts I was reading on the qoo, there were a couple of them about BP and koreans were legit calling them "Ilbe group" which were pretty shocking insults. Seems like Ilbe and right wingers are going all out on promoting this drama apparently which is another part this scandal is so huge.

Quote from SandyBee3

The Blue House can’t fine JTBC, they stated in their first response that they aren’t interfering in these things. It’s the KCSC that is responsible to investigate and deliberate rather a broadcast is violating any regulations. If there is, they give the broadcast the chance to edit or censor the problematic parts.

You're correct on the fines, it seems it was a one time incident where they did do so but not something they usually do but my point is that the blue house in theory is more a way to bring attention to a certain issue. They def won't cancel Snow Drop tho, that's on Disney+ and JTBC

I mean you can't really shut down a drama because you don't like what it shows or says that kind of goes against the whole freedom of speech rules and borderlines in censoring and dictatorship. The petition at the Blue house won't shut it down either, Blue house can actually fine JTBC for it but not shut it down. The petition is mostly used to bring attention to it. It's more that Snowdrop risks JTBC or Disney+ dropping it because they don't see any worth in continuing especially now with Navers recent article on Disney+ mentioning a 45% drop in korean users due to the Snowdrop boycott. I honestly don't know what will happen and what JTBC will do but they should adress the situation.

https://news.naver.com/main/ranking/read.naver?mode=LSD&mid=shm&sid1=001&oid=016&aid=0001927004&rankingType=RANKING

Quote from SternRitter

All this talk, but still nothing straight to the point. I've watched all 2 episodes and failed to see the"offensive" part in it. In fact, pro-democratic movement is actually portrayed very positively. Well, Idk if some small things are historically accurate enough, but it's not a documentary, it can acceptable in certain degree.

Besides, the drama's scriptwriter witnessed and took part in all those events herself. She has a right for her own point of view, right? And how can knetz ask for drama's cancellation if the didn't see the whole story with all the twists etc?

Let me guess, the whole fuzz comes from a relatively small but very loud and sensitive group of ultra nationalists who force their opinion on others and don't allow any discussion on past events? + bp antis came along.

Yeah, I may sound very bold and ignorant, but look, I came from a country where the historical "truth" was always strictly controlled by authorities and by these so-called ultra patriots who used force to silence any "anti-patriotic" opinion. And only recently our society started to open up for discussion, even on very sacred and sensitive topics. And the main point that there's never only black or only white in anything.

Of course, it's up to korean audiance to decide whether they like this show or not. But that would be outright stupid to cancel the drama because of the bunch of triggered knetz, who doesn't represent the whole society.

Sorry for my english.

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I think international fans are making the mistake of thinking the Gwanju uprising ended in 20th century. The issue didn't end there, it is still going on. Right now, in Korea just like you have in multiple countries there is an issue of liberal vs conservative going in the country. Korean conservatives to this day very much claim the NK spy conspiracy is real and go out of their way to harass the victims of the event. A good example of this is the extreme right community Ilbe (basically koreans version of Q anon, horribly anti feminist, racist, anti LGBT and incels, also responsible for the incel attacks this year including An San) who go out of their way multiple times to harass victims and families of the event. They would change statuses of victims of the protests from "student" to "NK spy" in online documents, they would send pictures of the students corpses to their families, go protest and throw slurs at women in front of the Ewha Women's university (original name of the drama, one of the universities involved with the protests), discriminating against people of Gwangju etc. This is very much an ongoing issue, so for koreans to see a drama put in an actual NK spy is just enraging after the years of harrassment from right wingers that their beloved who died or got tortured was actually an NK spy. Especially now that these same communities that harassed them such as Ilbe are using the drama to further their own anti democratic narrative.

Quote from SandyBee3

Where are you guys getting all this information? I was literally searching for this, but can’t find it.

Article: https://n.news.naver.com/article/023/0003660776

Comments from Ilbe about the drama circulating on TheQoo, with koreans not being surprised the forum is happy about it

Pannchoa also translated part of this post:

[naver] WHAT IS THE PLOT?... 'SNOWDROP' BROADCAST CANCELLATION PETITION REACHES 100K IN ONE DAY ft. OTHER KOREAN COMMUNITIES REACTIONS + PANNCHOA REACTIONS + PANN

[naver] WHAT IS THE PLOT?... 'SNOWDROP' CANCELLATION PETITION REACHES 100K IN ONE DAY

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Ilbe Storehouse - Wikipedia

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You can't directly enter Ilbe's community which is why you couldn't find it, majority of Ilbe's reaction to snowdrop gets circulated through other korean forums and media (this community is highly monitored for obvious reason, they were also the ones behind the incel attacks on multiple women this past year including Olympic winner An San)

Quote from SandyBee3

To claim that someone is using a Drama for right-wing propaganda and to manipulate the election and going as far as claiming that Blinks and BP members are in support of it is slander….

I don't know much about the election part and I very much doubt BP has anything to do with it but I don't think it's a stretch at all to find it suspicious that a known right-wing media outlet is putting out a highly controversial drama that is validating the death of the students during the uprising by the inclusion of a NK spy, a narrative Korea's right wing has been using for years now. The drama literally only celebrated in Korea's equivalent of Q anon spaces such a Ilbe or FMkorea (highly anti feminist, racist spaces that regularly make fun of the Gwangju uprising and Sehwol Ferry incident). Even right-wing journalist Kim So Jeon made an article saying that snow drop is a good representation of history because of the NK spy in the story (this guy openly says all of the people killed during the uprising are spies and not innocent students). If so many right - wing associated medias, people and communities are coming together to celebrate the drama, you must realize there is obviously something wrong here?

Quote from SandyBee3

Wow… you know that what you are doing right now is slander ? You can be sued for this.

It’s one thing to criticize JTBC, the writer or director for the plot etc… But going as far as to spread rumors about them being right-wing and the writer too and that this was a conspiracy to influence young people to join the right wing party.

Now Blinks and BP themself are part of the propaganda…. Ok rookie user I see your mission here….

I can't speak on the director or writer but the JTBC part is literally not slander tho lol, JTBC is literally owned by the Joogang Ilbo, which is one of the three most right wing newspapers in Korea (cho - jong - do - trio).

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Quote from SandyBee3

I think you are misunderstanding something here, nobody questioned that there were spies under protesters, just if there were spies in general cause there were articles about it.

Also the today’s episode mentioned several times that the nsa are always falsely accusing protesters to be spies while it’s not true, they were very clear about that.

The male lead is not a protester nor is he a student. And they are being clear about that too.

They made it clear that the NSA are bad and the others good. No right-Wing propaganda detected here.

No we do not believe there were spies under the protesters, no worries.

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In episode 2 of Snow Drop, there was a scene with an NSA soldier in a sauna with girls trying to question them. They didn't answer her, so the soldier left. You know what this is scene trying to replay? In the actual uprising, Kim Geun Tae, a student got dragged out of the sauna by the NSA and got tortured so extremely bad he ended up getting Parkison disease. This is what Koreans mean with Snowdrop trying to paint a wrong narrative about the NSA, they wouldn't just leave, these people had no pity or empathy.

Not just that, Idk if you all realize it but freaking ilbe is celebrating this drama and Jisoo is becoming a poster girl of this community. Ilbe is a far right community and is one of the communities still believing in the NK spy conspiracies. I think there is obviously something wrong if a notoriously far right movement is celebrating this drama. That's the equivalent of becoming the poster girl of the Q anon people.

I mean trying to be kind of neutral here but the fact that people in this thread are already questioning whether there were actual NK spies during the democratic uprising pretty much proves that the koreans concerns of the drama misrepresenting what happened during the event to foreigners are completely valid. This is pretty much the exact thing they were afraid of. In Korea there has been a continuous political fight between the right conservative party who to this day claims the Gwangju uprising had North Korean spies while the left democratic party are supporting the victims of the event who fought for democracy. The whole issue of the drama was that it basically works as right wing propaganda and looking at the answers in this thread it does seem to be going that way.

Those ratings are from Olleh TV, which is internet TV ranking (as in online platforms) not the actual Korean TV rating...

Quote from aespa-von

Ohh, nice one going in there to actually bare it back, LMAO. Also afair, weren’t you guys the forerunners of saying aespa were creepy? Literal hybe stans back when aespa’s concept were announced 🤷🏽 Now stripping the earth to defend.

girl, i didn't say shit about Aespa. I don't particularly care about them, I don't hate or like them. I love how you deflect by trying to bring something up I wasn't even involved with and If I remember correctly literally everyone was shitting on LSM for that, mostly because people were making it weirder than it was.

Quote from aespa-von

Bruh ppl act here like the grass and the life goes on weren’t gate kept huh 🙌 Aespa being called out for plagiarism for train station, color palette, and literal having avatars. Meanwhile the new girls literally have the same premise

Kingdom/Kwangya peace was disrupted

Girlies will travel to other world for a quest

Girlies will find the island rose whatever aka Kosmo

Ermmm.. not to mention didnt PD-ni, literally said that their artists are gonna have avatars too? Like y’all are zigzagging so much. In any case, im ready to stan Crimson Heart as inspirations don’t do shit to me as a drag, but i’d like ppl to acknowledge wher eit is due LMAO,

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lmao u act as if "peace disturbed, go on quest and find treasure/goal" isn't the most basic and overused storylines in existence, I can literally point out like 10000+ stories like this, heck even kpop groups. Ateez even have something similar in lore. I shouldn't be surprised tho, Aespa stans were trying to accuse even TXT of plagiarism because they had a portal to another world in their MV.

Quote from nevermindmejin

So many crying SM stans

Feels like the good old days when they always accuse plagiarism about every single thing that BTS done. We just need petition to the Blue House and everything will be complete

Honestly tho, history repeats itself. This GG is set up for success if the plagiarism accusations from delusional SM stans are already coming in lol

Quote from dopiee

I saw a pen also I think, if that's all they are doing then it's still fine. I doubt they spent so much money only for this though. Something like this just doesn't sit right with me

Yeah I was worried too at first, since you can make so much misuse with that technology like I was side eyeing them but if it's really only for education purposes and nothing weird I don't' mind it too much so I really really hope it stays that way

Quote from dopiee

I'm not sure if they are still going through with it or not because this was some time ago I think.

They have been investing heavily into these technologies and talking about it in their briefings. People don't realize that all companies are moving towards this, it won't be just one company and it certainly didn't start now.

Anyway this is just one example:

https://www.digitalmusicnews.c…hit-supertone-investment/

They've been using that company for HYBE Education I saw, like for learning Korean with BTS

lmaoo that poster + A GG is probs for the best honestly, there aren't really a lot of GG's in the market in the US rtn other than Little Mix who is facing some issues and BP. Compared to BGs that have a lot more competition + they already have BTS who are dominating there.

The delusional part of SM stans really think SM owns everything? None of what they shown was even similar to Aespa, other than them mentioning storylines, entertainment and virtual reality which they have been mentioning for quite some time now before Aespa even debuted. Even the GG shown in the comics seem to more closely have a Winx/W.I.T.C.H concept than anything Aespa has. And no they aren't creating their own "SMCU", only some groups (Enhypen and &Team) are somewhat connected with each other storywise but not all of them and def not company wide.

Kpop has always been saturated, every year since like 2012 people make the same argument. We also can't forget we're at a point in time similar to 2015 - 2016 where a lot of groups active in gen 3 are gonna disband or be inactive and make room for newer groups, there are a lot of contract renewals happening 2022 - 2023. + quite a lot of those groups the Big 4 are planning to debut aren't only for the korean market but for markets such a Japan, US, China and a lot more.

I wasn't gonna check it out but that clips sounds good, I might check it out now

Quote from Lubby00

HYBE took in Jaeho from To Be World Klass to compete in I-land, I don’t think it’s far fetched to expect them to look into some GP999 girls

Also HYBE got 3 Korean girl groups & a Japanese girl group coming down the line, so why not grab some let alone the more popular ones

I personally would love if at least 1 of Yurina, Ruiqi, or Yaning got recruited

Correction, they didn't take him. For I-land and Belift, trainees always have to audition even a trainee under a HYBE label has to, pretty certain Jaeho auditioned. Not that I would be against them taking anyone from GP999 but they didn't take any trainees from PD48 either despite the show being more popular, they immediately went for two of the most popular idols in one of the most popular GG's in Japan and Korea so more likely they'll take someone from Kep1er in the coming years if the group is successful. I personally don't see them taking anyone for Izone's GG since I'm pretty sure the line up was fixed the moment Minju said the no and they are preparing for debut, the only place I can see them maybe taking someone would be for the future Japan GG