Dayoung cried and posted about it. NMIXX cried and posted about it.

But certain individuals want to ban all discussion of charts and demonize people who enjoy not only discussing but debating them.

How many times do people need to see idols crying and dancing in celebration before they realize MelOn is still the most respected chart in Korea and rising up its ranks remains a pinnacle achievement in the eyes of almost every K-Pop idol?

It's really absurd that chart threads, good faith or not, get treated worse than threads dragging the idols themselves, be it their looks or talents or even personalities.

S.M.H.

That's all I have for today.

Congrats to NMIXX. Another congrats to Da young.

Quote from Varenka

Yes, charts matter to people whose livelihoods depend on making money from music, like the artists or company shareholders.

They literally don't matter to us who aren't shareholders, yes.

The artists whose livelihood depends on charts depends on the fans to make their dreams a reality.

This is a mind-bogglingly asinine comment to make. I guess sports fans are forbidden from comparing athletes and teams, and celebrating or debating their statistical achievements, unless they themselves are professional athletes?

Try again.

Sports have box scores. Movies have the box office. Music has charts.

Imagine being told you can't analyze and debate the numbers in a field where every professional team employs an analytics team (sports) and to just appreciate the beauty of the game and nothing else.

Imagine being told you can't discuss or debate the most impressive box office achievements of a film but instead should just appreciate the art form and acting.

You would get laughed at in both communities, I promise.

But because K-Pop fans are sensitive and insecure, certain individuals want to stigmatize chart discussions and arguments.

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I said this is another thread 5 mins ago but what people? is only a certain mod complaining about it non stop

There are some supporters of the ridiculous demonization of charts debates...which one could just simply NOT PARTICIPATE IN, if they are so vile.

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I mean the last couple weeks mods have been abusing their power closing the NJ vs HYBE thread, pinning threads no ones care about and trying to force their mentality on other people, i don't understand how no more people are annoyed by it or talking about it

Some people want this to be Reddit lite apparently.

If it's not breaking any reasonable rules, people should be allowed to discuss what they want to discuss the most.

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You can spend your time doing whatever you want, but yes that's slop talk too.

Glad you recognize it to the point of getting defensive enough to make a thread about it.

Congratulations. You just described the entire online experience. You'll receive your star and cookie in the mail within 2 to 3 business days.

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It sounds like you engage in poor online discussions. Move away from chart slop and you may have an improved experience.

I've never complained about the discussion in the first place but will staunchly oppose any attempt to impose draconian regulations seemingly predicated on an individual's personal preferences. That has never, in human history, made any community better, online or offline.

Quote from Varenka

Charts are low-quality, but they shouldn't be banned obviously.

So are GOAT debates but no sports community is stupid enough to ban Jordan/LeBron debates even though the topic and horse has been beaten into dust, and player comparisons receive the most engagement of any topic. An entire industry of sports debate television spawned around it even

Chart debates aren't much different.

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I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with celebrating, discussing, and debating charts but you do purposely try to antagonize users and fandoms you know will get upset easily, let's not pretend otherwise. I personally do not mind cus I don't take stuff like that seriously enough and kinda just laugh it off. And I think this is how people should respond but not everyone is the same. Like there's no need for charting discussions to elevate to personal insults and dragging groups but yours often do.

And I say this as one of few users who has no issue with you, just call it how I see it. Like I've seen you make chart threads that got undeserved backlash imo, but I've also seen ones where you are clearly just trying to agitate.

In short, the problem is you, not charts lol.

That's a personal problem not my problem.

There are people who make vile racist, sexist, xenophobic comments who get less heat and scrutiny than I do for "baiting" and I have never, not once, attacked a group or idol directly. Not once.

If people can't handle someone saying "those numbers aren't as good as these numbers", they can find their problem by grabbing and looking into the nearest mirror.

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Chart performance is important because it can determine the stability of the group you're following. Also, people don't want to admit it but they're more likely to check a group/soloist music if their song is charting. It's why chart performance is important because one of the most important thing in kpop is visibility and chart performance provides that.

And let's be for real, even my "worst" threads never go further than saying one group is more or less popular than another.

I don't say a group is trash if they don't chart well. I don't say a group is untalented if they don't chart well. I don't say the group needs to disband or has awful music if they don't chart well.

I just say the group is more popular than people think or less popular than people think, and sometimes I'll speak on why I think that is.

People make jokes about NewJeans disbanding or never releasing music again ALL THE TIME here, none of which they deserve or really should even be acceptable, but you don't see me freaking out or demanding such posts be banned

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discussing charts >>>>> looks, personalities and ships

Nah fam. A post like "lol aespa didn't get a #1 hit this year" is so much worse than a post like "That idol is a talentless plastic pick me who gets carried by her company and hordes of brainless simps"

And that's not even as bad as the things people here said about Lisa this year.

But I'm the bad guy

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Just saying idk how you can complain about people making jokes about NJs disbanding while simultaneously being the person responsible for baiting that response out of people. And trying to just write it off as "they too soft". Which I kinda agree with, but like also you reap what you sow.

Brah. Please link the post where I demand people be banned from making NewJeans disband jokes. It happened in my last closed thread. Where was the meltdown? It happens in pretty much every thread I debate in, even when I've said nothing out of pocket, and I generally say nothing.

I only put my foot down when people make explicit, disgusting sexual comments about them or their environment.

That doesn't make me a hypocrite, just a person who won't sacrifice their emotional intelligence and morals for K-Pop.

You made claims about personal attacks that are demonstrably not accurate.

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Did they weaponize charts to bring people down, though? Nope. That’s the difference between them and you.

You’re not like them.

This is K-POP. EVERYTHING GETS "weaponized" by your arbitrary standards.

And charts being "weaponized" is relatively harmless compared to the threads and posts I've never seen you type up a comically dramatic soliloquy over.

The people who don't give a shit about charts will not engage chart threads. The people who do, and try to pretend otherwise, will.

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Not my point, you said people make much worse comments, like the NJs disbanding comments. And what I am saying is that you are personally responsible for some of the users who make those comments. I think stuff like that is why making bait threads like you do can be bad. Should people respond that way over charting? probably not, but they do. Like I didn't mind that baemon thread you made the other day at all.

People make those comments, not because my threads are "toxic", but because they are immature and incapable of debating me, and their last ditch effort to claim some kind of pyrrhic victory is to resort to attacking my favorite groups. Even if I was as respectful as humanly possible, this would still happen.

And I did test out being "nice" for an entire month, and people were arguably even more disrespectful than when I'm my usual chaotic self.

In short, I don't feel sorry for them, and every thread is honestly a bait thread in some way. Nobody post threads in the hopes of getting zero engagement. I'm just uncommonly gifted at it. That's why I ran a YT channel for several years.

Quote from Tru-Multistan

Actually I notice most of the time people start attacking you personally first, but you respond with the same energy. though can't blame you for that.

I was going to mention this, but decided against it, since it doesn't actually bother me, but this is factual. I am rarely the aggressor when personal attacks start getting thrown out.

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People are only calling out the way you or some people weaponize charts I think Yama

Like there’s nothing wrong in Aespa or IVE being top 10 instead of top 1 and then making a long ass post about how they’re worse than new jeans or something like that. Which is what you do 👀

There is literally NOTHING wrong with saying aespa is not as popular as peak NewJeans because they fell short in every key metrics and failed to appear on charts that would objectively prove otherwise. I'm not afraid to call a spade and spade and that is what triggers people.

Even if I humor this stupid narrative about my chart threads in particular, what is the worst possible outcome in them and the worst thing being said? ...that I don't think Group A is as popular as Group B.

Yet those threads are treated like the cancer that is killing K-Pop, while some idiot in another thread was condemning Islam and condoning mass genocide with very minimal opposition.

Like huh.