So, it's time for SOMI to leave TBL?

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Yes, at the end of the day, TBL does have better resources and more influence in the industry. Which means they have better access to high level producers and if she wants to be an influencer, better connections for brand deals.

If the metric you are deciding on is how often you want her to release music, then yeah, being at a smaller agency probably is better. But, even though her music isn't charting as well now, she still stands a better chance of keeping relevance and being able to chart in the future if she stays at TBL.

So, yeah, if she wants to go the music+influencer route, then I think she should stay at TBL if she can. I think the schedule works for her in that case. If she wants to release music more consistently, then yeah, it would probably be better for her to go the Jennie, Lisa, and Jisoo route and just form her own label.

I can't imagine any other label that would fit her brand and be able to match her image other than maybe P-Nation. But, they have lost as many soloists as they have gained, so doesn't seem like they are much better than TBL when it comes to management.

Her contract is set to renew soon, so maybe once she makes her decision, her fans will embrace whatever she decides is best for her.

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I'm not so sure about the "high level producers" part, but that's more like a personal taste, many people love the TBL/YG type of music, for me, it's boring after 20 years.

I don't think TBL music showcases Somi's talent or suit her.

I don't mind if a singer doesn't release an album every year. A LOT of my faves don't do that. It's a matter of quality, BUT in Kpop if you don't have a comeback frequently people will move on fast. That's why I think signing with a big company with better resources doesn't mean much if TBL only give her 7 songs in 2 years.

Having your own label is not always a good thing, you can lose a LOT of money if you can't make your agency profitable, and Somi is not even close to being as popular as BP members. That's why I said, Rose did it best, she just wants to make music and don't want to waste money in her own label. Their fame will fade away eventually. Look at other Idols who have their own labels. I don't think I can mention a lot of them whom are still profitable.

Ravi is in the mud for multiple reasons, Jay Park has 2 labels now and neither is on the top.

I think Zico and PSY are the only ones whom are still doing a good job, but Zico got a lot of help from HYBE.

Yes, we'll see soon what's gonna happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if she signs another deal with TBL again. It's kinda like Taeyeon vs SME.💀

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Somi can leave, but does she want that? put yourself in somi pov, like

starting over all over again in the new company? P Nation ? Jaypark company? tike TBL has better reach

be independent and creating solo company? she will need tons tons resources

and put yourself in TBL company POV, like

they know rose won't be back for 2 years, taeyang is on autopilot but he is a homie and bigbang member. those 2 names alone is enough for them.

they have meovv and ADP, in 2 years they will doing much much better.

and they just finish KPDH which is huge success, who knows they already done deal for season 2 knowing netflix.

why would they care if somi leaving?

she should make a better deals then, coz now it's not the same little TBL anymore

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PN would be a good choice, they do a pretty good job with Hwasa and Baby DONT Cry and I also think Chungha under More Vision have much more freedom. She said it herself.

A lot of Idols start over multiple times, it's just the matter of what she wants.

If Teddy doesn't care about Somi leaving, that's just another reason she should leave.

BTW, popularity come and goes, it's not something can keep for long. Especially in Kpop. Just because Netflix wants to make another KPDH movie, doesn't mean it's gonna successful like the 1st one, and it doesn't mean TBL can be part of it again. A lot of sequels failed, especially on Netflix.

Demon Hunters is a hit mostly because it's something you didn't see yet in animation, but if you keep repeating the same thing, people will get bored.

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even if we take out the success of Demon Hunters, they still have 2 big artist and 2 upcoming group.

rose will comeback in 2 years after BP tour, taeyang can comeback anytime he wants. they just gonna cook meovv and ADP now, they have better ceiling than somi in 2 years.

somi actually don't have any good bargain chip anymore for new contract. it's just up to TBL wether they want to keep her in the company or not.

I didn't say TBL is gonna go bankrupt. I said, Somi have to leave, because they moved on from her. That's obvious to me.

It's not Somi's fault that TBL don't know how to manage Idols whom are not overhyped like Blackpink and its members, or ADP. Not to mention Taeyang. Like I said, Teddy has ZERO credit in Bigbang, BP and ADP being famous. BB made themselves famous, BP and ADP were popular even before debut. And even MEOVV were popular because one of the members had a relationship with BP. Taeyang also didn't have a TOP50 songs since he signed with TBL. Except that Jimin collab, but that doesn't count for obv reasons.

Ergo, Teddy can't make non-mainstream Idols popular. That was the YG way for a long time. They pick popular kids, put them in a group, and they don't have to do much.

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High level in that they work with a lot of big artists. If you are speaking about what kind of songs you do and don't like, that is subjective. But the quality of production and whether a producer has worked with who many would consider big name artists is not subjective, so that is the metric I am using when I say high level.

I'm not going to comment on anything else because that's all just your opinion and personal preference. Like I said, Somi is going to do what she feels is best for her. It is up to her fans whether they accept that or not.

I mean, yeah, quality is subjective, and yes, with your metric those producers are high level, but working with the biggest stars doesn't mean their music is good.

I don't think quality is 100% subjective, btw. I mean, everyone have a different taste, but it's easy to tell, especially if you know anything about music, which song was produced better.

All these big name producers making Tiktok songs, while the small agency producers actually trying to create something different, not just following or more like running towards new trends.

I can appreciate a well-made song even if I don't like it, but I can't do the same with a 2 minute long Tiktok song that anyone can make in 10 minute, you just need to download some cool beats, add the vocals and that's all. I was exaggerating a bit, obviously, but they're making trendy music this way, it's just a bit more complex.

A LOT of popular songs barely has any personality or doesn't have any at all.

I love NMIXX, but their new collab song "MEXE" is the prime example of that. That wasn't a well-made song. Their other song "High Horse" at first wasn't my fave, but it's a better produced song overall. Both kinda similar in terms of using the same beat, but the latter is a much longer and most importantly it had multiple changes throughout the song. It wasn't bland.

This is what I mean when I say quality is not always subjective.

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These are all your opinions though.

When I say high quality, I do mean well produced. I am speaking about the objective metrics. You are speaking about your own personal preferences. I have nothing to say about that. I am only talking the facts and what objectively qualifies i.e. producers working with big names and making well produced songs. The other stuff is irrelevant for me.

That's not what I said. My comment wasn't about what I like, it was 100% about producing a song, and that's not subjective.

It's like comparing two "art". Easy to tell which one is better.

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As I said, just because a producer working with the biggest stars, doesn't mean they're the best producers, it means they can make trendy songs that most people will eat up even if it's shite.

Another example: Jennie's "Like Jennie" - absolute MESS and bang average at best, and a typical earworm song. Meanwhile, her other songs "Start a War" or "Twin" are above average. Again, production wise, not because I like those more, because those aren't even close to being my faves.

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I'm just gonna say it even if it makes me the bad guy: Sejeong has the talent, passion, drive and vision to put out the quality work that she does even if it's not commercially successful. Somi has none of that.

Put Somi wherever you want and give her the same freedoms, she's probably going to have the same work—maybe more of it— and it's more than likely going to be the same stuff at varying levels of qualities

As much as I love Somi, I have to agree on the first part. Sejeong is a different level entirely.

Maybe you're right about the last part too, but we can only see that if she leaves TBL, but as I said above, I feel like Somi have the same relationship with TBL like Taeyeon has with SME. We'll see soon, because her contract expires soon, I think.

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You're overestimating the impact of Ella's relationship with BP. As a MEOVV fan, most of the focus is on the star quality of Gawon, Narin, and Sooin. Maybe Anna as a visual. From what I've seen, Ella is the least talked about.

I really don't think any of us can say they moved on from her. Somi comes off as someone who loves being herself in front of the camera and doesn't mind having limited comebacks because she can keep her work-life balance. She's still making a ton of money and living a comfortable lifestyle. Not a lot of idols have the same privilege.

Maybe, but I don't follow them close enough, but what I know is that most people only mentioned her before and not long after their debut. Based on your comment, it changed later on.

I'm not sure about the lat part, tho, because we heard what she said. She literally made fun of Teddy and TBL last year, I think when she said, they needed a whole year to make "Ice Cream". I don't think that means she was satisfied or doesn't mind limited comebacks.

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Somi is a very sarcastic person with a sarcastic sense of humor. She's extremely close with Teddy. There was no way she said that as a complaint.

People run with this idea that Somi hates TBL, but I'm just not seeing it. At the end of the day, she chose to leave JYP Entertainment for TBL. She knew what she was getting into.

Well, we're never gonna learn if she was sarcastic or not, unless she leaves TBL. If not, she's like Taeyeon with SME as I said above.

Also, I don't think anyone would joke about something like that. It's not even funny saying something like: TBL needed a year to make 1 song. Usually when someone is sarcastic, there's a truth to it too.

TBH, JYP would fit her better, because she's fluent in English, and JYP focuses more on the West anyway.