Okay, Blinks. Let's talk BLACKPINK's numbers this comeback. Nothing but the truth now

    Not bad. Not bad.


    But not mind blowing either.


    I don't really need a lot of words to articulate this.


    Blinks have been using all kinds of superlatives to crown BLACKPINK as an unstoppable force of nature compared to their peers, but then I ask you this:


    Why can't they break through the Top 3 in Korea? Why aren't they Top 1? Jump came out nearly 2 weeks ago. The grace period is over.


    But then I look to the West, and while a debut at 28 on the Hot 100 is great, it's not a jaw dropping phenomenal accomplishments, especially when HUNTR/X are breaking records at the same time.


    You all really act like BLACKPINK are the BTS of girl groups, except BTS has MULTIPLE #1 hits on the Hot 100 and pretty much all those songs dominated in Korea too.


    So tl;dr: BLACKPINK got a base hit, but Jump isn't a home run


    If it falls on the Hot 100 next week, etch it in stone.

    BTS have a far stronger fandom behind them than BP that’s no secret. That’s in Korea and rest of the world as well.


    And certainly what it cemented was BP is the single biggest GG in kpop of all times and they have no competition or no one who was ever close to taking over their throne when they were able to do this with a “non release” song dropped on tour almost 10 years into their career.

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    BTS have a far stronger fandom behind them than BP that’s no secret. That’s in Korea and rest of the world as well.


    And certainly what it cemented was BP is the single biggest GG in kpop of all times and they have no competition or no one who was ever close to taking over their throne when they were able to do this with a “non release” song dropped on tour almost 10 years into their career.

    That has nothing to do with anything I said.


    I gave everyone an opportunity to set the benchmark for what BLACKPINK could do this comeback to solidify themselves as a transcendent act.


    Nobody could come up with anything, so I said a Perfect All Kill in Korea and a top 5 song on the Hot 100.


    Who would've guessed it would be HUNTR/X that ended up doing both?


    :meme-trying-not-to-laugh:

    They are number 2 on youtube music and still in the top 5 on melon. Those are all impressive. Plus their sportify streams are great and they have great numbers regarding monthly streams. Not mentioning other charts. For a rushed comeback after 3 years it is amazing.

    because there's zero promo for this pre-release. And you can't compare to BGs because we (fans and labels) all know BG fangirls are the most loyal and most willing to open up their wallets.

    Quote from Teudungi21

    They are number 2 on youtube music and still in the top 5 on melon. Those are all impressive. Plus their sportify streams are great and they have great numbers regarding monthly streams. Not mentioning other charts. For a rushed comeback after 3 years it is amazing.

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    because there's zero promo for this pre-release. And you can't compare to BGs because we (fans and labels) all know BG fangirls are the most loyal and most willing to open up their wallets.

    Leave the excuses at the door.


    If BP were the iconic, legendary and unstoppable group people claimed, none of that shit would matter. People would tune in and lock in regardless of promo.


    Want an example of that? Look at what happened when the King of K-Pop, GD, returned. Absolute domination. DEBUTED at #1 and ate up all the competition.


    So I maintain that BP obviously are doing well, but not to the level of the praise and glaze people here give them.

    It has everything to do with what you said because it’s proved without a shadow of doubt NO GG IN KPOP ever came close to BP and that’s always been the sorest subject for you


    These results are amazing. With or without huntrix.

  • AllKill VIP

    Blackpink is known as global group and they debut number one in both global charts. Not even western artist have done that this year.


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    So this is what's like on the other side of your trolling lol. This is a low effort on your part, Im not even a blink either. I'll play along for fun.


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    We can all cherry pick stats quick search in Korea it just won 1st Place on this week Show Champion and M Countdown too. The tweet above Worldwide it got 1 Billboard Global 200, 1 on Spotify Global Weekly Chart. 1 Spotify Global Daily Chart for 6 days, 1 Worldwide iTunes Chart and 1 on Music YouTube. Forget the Netflix kpop group Justin just returned and Jump is outperforming Daises. These stats blow away even any kpop artist and even GD on a global scale. They got all that with 0 promo proves are popular they are.

    because they're organic. that's it.


    hybe and bang are FRAUDS. that's a fact. and i don't think their fraudulence doesn't extent to the music realm. i just don't think comparing bp's achievement with a groups from such a fraudulent company is even fair.


    BP are probably and very likely the best performing kpop group in the global scale/gp atp. jump is still rising on the charts around the world and had an outstanding debut on BB 200 which is extremly impressive. more impressive even than the hot 100.


    btw, it seems that the whole industry digimons are droping full*ass albums right when jump was released. mmmm... VERY suspicious. and they're clearly being sabotaged on spotify, and yes the spotify ceo is friends with f*cking scooter. they would have debuted much higher otherwise.


    and they achieved that with just one release. no remixes or multiples versions. because if you look at the latest bts solo drops in comparaison, the majority of them start free falling very fast, until 230439448 remix are released and they miraculously enter spotify globale top 10 if not even higher gaining +2/3 million streams! it's outregeous and utterly ridicoulus LOL.


    on top of that, jump has ZERO promo yet and barely if not any support from their company. no music performance, no snl or jimmy kammel or whatever, not even a dance practice! and the song was leaked a week before release. 10 years into their career after a 3 years hiatus.


    in this context, jump's performance on the charts is actually INSANE.


    mark my words, but i don't even think bts comback will even enter melon top 20 even less melon top 10. and that's without being blocked by a worldwide phenomon like kpdh or smth!

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    It has everything to do with what you said because it’s proved without a shadow of doubt NO GG IN KPOP ever came close to BP and that’s always been the sorest subject for you


    These results are amazing. With or without huntrix.

    The results are just okay. Stop capping and coping.


    The song wasn't even the highest debut by a girl group on MelOn. That was aespa.


    And it's been 12, going on 13, days and they still sit at, let's see, 4 on the Daily Charts.


    NewJeans got shaded by literally all of you for charting at TWO behind the most successful song of aespa's career.

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    They did better than SNSD with none of the promo :pepe-tea:

    Nah, BP got enough promo. We all knew this song was coming and they had been teasing and talking about it for weeks. That is sufficient for hype.

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    Blackpink is known as global group and they debut number one in both global charts. Not even western artist have done that this year.


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    That's enough to get them some kudos, but it's nothing mind blowing honestly.


    At the end of the day, if BLACKPINK were as HUGE as Blinks here pretend, they would be doing HUNTR/X numbers in the U.S. and Korea.


    Just ask yourself this:


    Why aren't BLACKPINK charting at #1 in Korea? Why did they only debut at 28 on the Hot 100 with all these Spotify streams pushing them? Hmmm?

    It's such a baaaaaaaaaaad excuse.


    It's BLACKPINK, not a nugu girl group. Rushed or planned fifteen months in advance, the audience is there waiting.

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    We can all cherry pick stats quick search in Korea it just won 1st Place on this week Show Champion and M Countdown too. The tweet above Worldwide it got 1 Billboard Global 200, 1 on Spotify Global Weekly Chart. 1 Spotify Global Daily Chart for 6 days, 1 Worldwide iTunes Chart and 1 on Music YouTube. Forget the Netflix kpop group Justin just returned and Jump is outperforming Daises. These stats blow away even any kpop artist and even GD on a global scale. They got all that with 0 promo proves are popular they are.

    I'm not going to acknowledge anyone from this point on who keeps trying to claim BP got zero promo.


    Stop. The. Cap.


    They announced their new single and they promoted and performed it DURING THEIR MASSIVE WORLD TOUR. Let it go.


    Zero promo is NewJeans dropping Attention and Hype Boy out of nowhere and dominating all the charts, not what BLACKPINK did.


    And I'm not trolling. This is my real opinion. Those numbers are great, in the context of Spotify, but when I look at the cumulative whole, their BB Hot 100 and Korean charting results are just okay.


    I'm simply not impressed.


    To shut down any doubters, I needed to see a chart topping SMASH hit. Especially after THREE YEARS.


    Good thing HUNTR/X arrived to show us what that actually looks like with Golden.

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    in this context, jump's performance on the charts is actually INSANE.

    It isn't actually. They did great on Spotify and some other global charts.


    They're just doing all right on the biggest charts, particularly in the context of Blinks glazing them as the biggest girl group ever.

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    mark my words, but i don't even think bts comback will even enter melon top 20 even less melon top 10. and that's without being blocked by a worldwide phenomon like kpdh or smt

    Bold prediction.


    We'll see if HYBE in its current iteration even exists at that point.

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    This comeback has cemented their status as THE TOP GIRL GROUP. There's no point arguing.


    Anyway, I've been enjoying their concert performances. Just wished they'd release an album too.

    How? In Korea, they can't even overcome rookies and KPDH.


    In the U.S., they just barely charted inside the Top 30, and I wouldn't be shocked to see them freefall starting next week. Maybe they'll prove me wrong, but I doubt it.


    If they don't spend at least 6 weeks in the Hot 100, my assessment will be further validated


    But don't let any of this be reason to NOT enjoy their comeback. I'm not here to kill Blinks' joy; we're just talking numbers and why I'm not personally blown away

    Kinda agree that they are not untouchable because NewJeans have showed that they can reach that level if they are active but they are the only other gg which is at that level yet.


    But honestly after this comeback they should have the ard the same number of hits as Twice(10-11) in Korea and easily #1 kpop gg internationally so its still probably a positive for their overall career.


    Also the song will probably be one of their biggest hits on Spotify and it is already top 3 biggest idol group hits in Korea this year together with Famous and Rebel Heart so I'd say its not bad at all

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    Kinda agree that they are not untouchable because NewJeans have showed that they can reach that level if they are active but they are the only other gg which is at that level yet.


    But honestly after this comeback they should have the ard the same number of hits as Twice(10-11) in Korea and easily #1 kpop gg internationally so its still probably a positive for their overall career.


    Also the song will probably be one of their biggest hits on Spotify and it is already top 3 biggest idol group hits in Korea this year together with Famous and Rebel Heart so I'd say its not bad at all

    But here's the issue I have


    I've not been super shy about voicing how much of a disappointing, boring year 2025 has been for K-Pop.


    There have been actually zero instant hit classic songs from any groups. And with the power vacuum left behind in the absence of the top girl group, due to legal issues, the conditions for complete domination were perfect.


    Yet BLACKPINK can't even debut higher than aespa and can't get into the top 3 after 12 days of charting? Reminder that GD debuted at NUMBER ONE. NewJeans debuted at #2 with OMG back on 2023. Those are the kind of numbers I want to see from a group supposedly still at the top of the game in every market.


    And the Billboard Hot 100 entry is good but nothing historic or legendary. So even in the market they're most dominant, they're taking a backseat to a fictional girl group.


    I just think these numbers fell within my expectations.

  • AllKill VIP

    I dont disagree with Blackpink kchart debut performance being disappointing but I think I'm even more disappointed with Aespa's performance lol.


    It shouldve been an easy #1 for them as well and they were basically coming off their biggest hits Supernova and Whiplash with huge momentum. If even they cant reach #1 on debut with their current momentum I think we are past the times where the top girlgroups can reach #1 immediately based on hype from GP


    At least Jump has some kind of longetivity and has a chance to reach the highest ULs for GG/idol groups this year. Dirty Work has nothing much else to back it up

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    I think the biggest chart is the global 200. It's more impressive to chart so high in so many countries AND chart well on the hot 100, than the opposite.

    that fictional gg is carried by netflix and a hit movie. jump or bp aren't. i don't think comparing them is fair .

    Because no other gg is doing better than them at the moment?

    They're doing great in kcharts too. Getting a PAK/RAK is more about luck.

    #3 in Korea is still good. How did SNSD chart after their long hiatus? Not good at all. Guess they're not legendary with your logic.

    #28 on h100 is good. you boast about nj western popularity but they never reached top 30 and didn't even reach the h100 last year. That's a way better example of not reaching expectations

    I mean yeah that’s a whole other conversation about general complacency by the members and just mismanagement by YG. Mismanagement has been the story of Blackpinks entire career thanks to YG. It should be the title of their documentary.

    I mean charting at number one is all about timing. They came back when other groups also had great hit songs including a Netflix movie song.


    Also jump is number 1 trending song on YouTube music top 20. That is impressive especially after being out for a while now. They are doing well. Blackpink does deserve the praise

    Yama including NJ like they exist

    And when they did and had all the time in the world to pass bp they did not, hybe cut their pay...I mean wings and we say how that did


    If all, this proof bp is n1 gg and no real kpop gg can pass them, also kpop hype is over so nobody will do that again


    It was a fun game but it's over, 5th gen doing nothing


    (Same for bts in the bg category)

    Quote from Cold_Wave

    #3 in Korea is still good. How did SNSD chart after their long hiatus? Not good at all. Guess they're not legendary with your logic.

    #28 on h100 is good. you boast about nj western popularity but they never reached top 30 and didn't even reach the h100 last year. That's a way better example of not reaching expectations

    Thread
    NewJeans comeback fails to enter Billboard Hot 100, what a disaster
    I predict it and now is here:

    How Sweet
    https://x.com/chartdata/status/1797825266938777654


    Super Shy
    https://x.com/chartdata/status/1681260635223474177

    Tokkis are trying to cope hard with this result but for a girl group that expend the last year landing every one of their singles on the hot 100 effortlessly this is clearly a disaster, even some of their past bsides charted higher. These results are on par of some mega flops from the washed girl group twice that never had a hit since 2016 like set…
    randkpopstan

    Still no explanation one year after

    Everybody was team nj, fuck hybe

    Why none of that people stream


    Everybody hates bp, but at least the streams are real

    Well we have a different idea of promo. No interviews or tv appearances or radio shows or dance challenges. Leaked tour footage isn't promo. You compared the Korean only stats to GD who had a whole ass variety show before his album. BP performed it on tour released the vid and off you go. Your being obtuse if you think that is the same promo.


    Don't make me argue against NJZ yes it was shadow dropped but they 100% did promo after the releases as well as there own Youtube shows and many dance challenges with Hybe artists (please don't make me type that again). Look what NJZ did was and is historic but they did promo and it helped.


    "I look at the cumulative whole" your literally doing the opposite. Your picking 2 charts and ignoring every global and platform stat shown to you. It's not just Spotify in that tweet above. Youtube, Apple Music, itunes and more.

    Quote from z1

    I dont disagree with Blackpink kchart debut performance being disappointing but I think I'm even more disappointed with Aespa's performance lol.


    It shouldve been an easy #1 for them as well and they were basically coming off their biggest hits Supernova and Whiplash with huge momentum. If even they cant reach #1 on debut with their current momentum I think we are past the times where the top girlgroups can reach #1 immediately based on hype from GP


    At least Jump has some kind of longetivity and has a chance to reach the highest ULs for GG/idol groups this year. Dirty Work has nothing much else to back it up

    No arguments here really.


    My opinion is that every top girl group should be able to at least do what IVE did this year, especially because the charts have been so flat for everyone but GD, ADP and now KPDHs.



    Quote from Teudungi21

    I mean charting at number one is all about timing. They came back when other groups also had great hit songs including a Netflix movie song.


    Also jump is number 1 trending song on YouTube music top 20. That is impressive especially after being out for a while now. They are doing well. Blackpink does deserve the praise

    And therein lies the problem.


    When Twice were at the apex of their powers, did they or Onces ever worry about timing or who else was coming back? Absolutely not.


    I've never said BLACKPINK were nugu, fully declined or no longer popular; I have said their best years statistically are behind them, especially in Korea.


    I have been proven right. A lot of people are attempting to strawman me to make this conversation about something I never sought to dispute.


    Quote from Cold_Wave

    #3 in Korea is still good. How did SNSD chart after their long hiatus? Not good at all. Guess they're not legendary with your logic.

    #28 on h100 is good. you boast about nj western popularity but they never reached top 30 and didn't even reach the h100 last year. That's a way better example of not reaching expectations

    It's good.


    It's not good enough. The way you Blinks have talked about BLACKPINK, after their already less than legendary results with Pink Venom and Shut Down, I needed to see BLACKPINK absolutely dominate across the board, not just do good or okay.


    For the record, I never said their numbers were bad. On the contrary, they're impressive. Just not mind bogglingly great, which is what Blinks would've had me believing prior to the comeback


    Now you're all making excuses and moving the goalposts once it's become clear BLACKPINK won't be getting any all kills in Korea or making history on the Billboard Hot 100.


    Quote from Rooney87

    Well we have a different idea of promo. No interviews or tv appearances or radio shows or dance challenges. Leaked tour footage isn't promo. You compared the Korean only stats to GD who had a whole ass variety show before his album. BP performed it on tour released the vid and off you go. Your being obtuse if you think that is the same promo.


    Don't make me argue against NJZ yes it was shadow dropped but they 100% did promo after the releases as well as there own Youtube shows and many dance challenges with Hybe artists (please don't make me type that again). Look what NJZ did was and is historic but they did promo and it helped.


    "I look at the cumulative whole" your literally doing the opposite. Your picking 2 charts and ignoring every global and platform stat shown to you. It's not just Spotify in that tweet above. Youtube, Apple Music, itunes and more.

    Long story short, those are all excuses to me.


    And I focus on the accomplishments that get the most attention, praise and adulation.


    Trust me, this forum would be EXPLODING with bragging Blinks if Jump performed like Golden did in both the U.S. and Korea. I would never hear the end of it.


    I'm basically just telling everyone: "I told you so"

    Quote from killingtime1934
    Thread
    NewJeans comeback fails to enter Billboard Hot 100, what a disaster
    I predict it and now is here:

    How Sweet
    https://x.com/chartdata/status/1797825266938777654


    Super Shy
    https://x.com/chartdata/status/1681260635223474177

    Tokkis are trying to cope hard with this result but for a girl group that expend the last year landing every one of their singles on the hot 100 effortlessly this is clearly a disaster, even some of their past bsides charted higher. These results are on par of some mega flops from the washed girl group twice that never had a hit since 2016 like set…
    randkpopstan

    Still no explanation one year after

    Everybody was team nj, fuck hybe

    Why none of that people stream


    Everybody hates bp, but at least the streams are real

    NewJeans would've been top 30 EASILY if it wasn't for the 30+ Taylor Swift songs clogging the Hot 100.

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