Le Sserafim - Yunjin's WEVERSE message reflecting on the past year

    First time making a thread and I think it's a message that many need to see


    Yujin's message



    I'm not who I was a year ago.

    I have a new favorite artist,

    I like to drink coffee different from before.

    There's nothing that's changed in my daily life

    I also think in a way that I didn't know in the past.


    In many ways, this trilogy was an unforgettable experience.

    The indescribable joy and pain of the past year,

    And I leave this writing remembering the countless questions life has asked me.

    Because the fact that I'm with you at this moment

    I want you to understand how much it means.


    Throughout the last year, I've asked myself.

    "How can we survive?"


    The dictionary meaning of "survival" is

    It continues to exist despite hardships and trials.

    It would have been nice if it had just been easy to exist,

    To be honest, no matter how hard I try

    There weren't many moments when I felt alive.


    What's more memorable is

    Shame and doubt, jealousy and emptiness that sometimes came like waves.

    We're stuck in comments and algorithms until dawn

    I thought, "There's nothing good to see."

    I remember a night when someone's warm words were desperate.

    I remember loneliness.

    I remember I was afraid it would all be over.

    My dream, which was a small flame, grew out of control

    Everything seemed to be lost in the fire.

    I feel like I'm dying but how on earth does this survive?


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    I feel awful for the girls for the hell they've been put through because the hate train was never about a performance. Yunjin had to deal with a lot last year with people weaponizing hate by pretending she's a zionist due to drinking starbucks on her way to work. The same people that were hating her for that, are the same people that are quiet when the group they support is advertising McDonald's and Coco Cola who are on the boycott list. It's insane that fans were weaponizing a real life issue to hate a person. It pains me when I see people continue to hate her and Somi due to drinking starbucks


    The group itself and Illit shouldn't be hated for being a Hybe group. I am not a fan of the company, but to extend hate to these 2 groups due to actions of a company is just wrong. Don't get me wrong I dislike Hybe, but they're not the first company to be awful and they won't be the last. So, it doesn't make sense to extend hate trains towards these groups due to CEOs fighting. The hate these 2 groups is just not normal and people need to cut it out. During the hate trains both groups had idols that are minors and we've all read how much the hate has affected them.


    It's refreshing to see an idol be this open because it's a rare thing to see. It's a beautiful written letter and it's nice to see it's in English because the words will not be lost in translation. I think that is one of the advantages of having an English speaking idol because it's easier to communicate messages to international fans.


    Lastly, I just want to state in the age of social media idols are obviously reading messages. I think we as fans need to be considerate of their mental health. It's okay to criticize a group, but it's not okay to hate on them. Right now, Lisa is going through a hate train and I hope she remains strong because the hate she's receiving is not normal, and people just need to cut out the hate. You can criticize her music but it's not healthy for all involved to continue hating a idol for every little thing they do. I felt the hate she's receiving is similar to LSF and it's obvious it's deeper than performances and music. I don't like hearing about people going to dark places because we've all been there ourselves. It just pains me to read what certain idols are going through due to hate trains. Mental health is an important thing and I don't think people should only be concerned when it reaches to the breaking point.



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    time for them to sue hybe then.


    and leave that toxic place.


    all the hate they're getting is all thanks to bango and the dc gallery hybecels.


    debuting them too fast, and almost at the expanse of another group's debut. sending them to stages when they clearly waren't ready for. trashing and destroying other groups for their sake. stealing deals and i can keep on going on...


    hybe ruined this girls.

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    That's not fair. They don't deserve the hate train because the company they work for. People went beyond criticizing with calling Yunjin a zionist, threats on their IG, never ending hate from multiple fandoms. I don't think a group received so much hate where they had to blackout their social media pages. The hate shouldn't be going towards them or Illit because the company they work for. It's sad it took them to a dark place and that's not fair for a group to experience that

    In this forum there were so many people talking shit about LSF, where are they now when she posts what was obvious she's going through?!


    The hate LSF received was insane. There's no defending them to hateful people online, they have so much fun dragging beauty, soul, dream and talent through the mud, it was and is sickening.


    Yunjin is very brave for posting such candid letter. And I hope that it humanizes her for people that love to hate her, her members or any other idol. They are human beings and we all are learning and searching for better versions for ourselves and lives. Yunjin is a friend, a sister, a daughter, a girlfriend, a best friend and she nor did any LSF member deserve the scrutinity they are still going through.


    Shame on every single person that showed merciless and cruel comments disguised as constructive criticism. Idols are PEOPLE and as Yunjin said herself before all the shit show wen down: idol is not a doll to fuck with.


    I wish from deep within my heart that all the hate they received and are still suffering from transforms into love and a bright future.


    May people online learn that their words matter and do impact the subject of their love or hate directly! Wether it's their favorite or someone else's'.

    This is not fair. LSF isn't responsable for their agency's bad choices and shouldn't ever had been targeted for any of it. They are talented and beautiful girls that got their dream dragged through the mud because of HYBE's horrible management.


    The hate directed to them only shielded HYBE itself, proving how easy it is to manipulate massess by using their frustration. Attacking LSF is the dumbest thing any kpop fan did in the past year.


    And as if leaving would solve anything.

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    This is not fair. LSF isn't responsable for their agency's bad choices and shouldn't ever had been targeted for any of it. They are talented and beautiful girls that got their dream dragged through the mud because of HYBE's horrible management.


    The hate directed to them only shielded HYBE itself, proving how easy it is to manipulate massess by using their frustration. Attacking LSF is the dumbest thing any kpop fan did in the past year.


    And as if leaving would solve anything.

    consummers not bying or consumming hybe music anymore is what's gonna hurt hybe most. hybe deserves the backlash. weather it's direct or not.


    it doesn't help that bango keep on inserting himself in everything the girls do. plastering his face and his name everywhere. people can't help but associate ssera with him. and that gets them a lot of hate. thanks bango!


    netizens and consummer have the right to be outraged by hybe ethics. and since bango is hiding and deleting every articles about him, ssera is getting most of the backlash.


    for the hate their artist got? hybe are fully responsible. weather why and how it started, and why it's still going on.


    and not all comments were hate comment but also fair criticism. their biggest crime was to not do their job right and embarass korea on a world stage (for the gp). people have the right to be offended by that.


    another huge problem are the hybe stans on twitter and dc gallery who sprend their life trashing other groups. their fans are bound to get fade up and attack ssera back out of frustration. (maybe they should adress that issue first)


    anyway, it's a very toxic circle and environnement for ssera. they should seriously NEVER renew and leave that hell hole.

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    consummers not bying or consumming hybe music anymore is what's gonna hurt hybe most. hybe deserves the backlash. weather it's direct or not.


    it doesn't help that bango keep on inserting himself in everything the girls do. plastering his face and his name everywhere. people can't help but associate ssera with him. and that gets them a lot of hate. thanks bango!

    You absolutely CAN help yourself not to equate the members of Le Sserafim with Bang, you choose not too. You'll see people on reddit bring up MHJ in every single story about NJZ no matter if the story mentioned or related to her in anyway just to hide their hate for those girls behind a more acceptable target, it's cowardly, transparant and evil and what you are doing is exactly the same.

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    You absolutely CAN help yourself not to equate the members of Le Sserafim with Bang, you choose not too. You'll see people on reddit bring up MHJ in every single story about NJZ no matter if the story mentioned or related to her in anyway just to hide their hate for those girls behind a more acceptable target, it's cowardly, transparant and evil and what you are doing is exactly the same.

    weather i do or not is not even the issue. im just saying that's how it goes for many people and i can understand why they would.


    and comparing bango to mhj is ridiculous. one is waging war on the whole industry and trying to kill, sabotage and steal innocent young girls carrier. and the other one is just trying to WORK. just WORK. and work in peace and fairness with the people she casted and trained.


    and yes to me njz is 0T6. even the members agree.


    and both of them were deeply linked to their groups. it's a fact.


    in the end, bango wants ssera to dominate the world and benefit from directly destroying my favorite group. and im just NOT okay with that. it makes me extremely uncomfortable and angry.


    angry at bang and hybe. but i also can't help but dislike this group/brand/project due to that. you can't force people to like anything.


    actually i never attacked the members. honestly, i just used to listen to some of their songs but i never cared for that group. and except the whole bango/njz drama, i still don't.


    if they left hybe and debuted somewhere else, i would forget them in a day.

    We wouldn't be having this convoy if you didn't choose to go out of your way to click on every LSF thread to attack them. You don't need to like them at all. Just stop engaging with their content if you are just going to hold them and them alone accountable for actions they did not choose to commit.

    The hate train LSF received is not all HYBE's fault. Those people knew HYBE was harming its groups and still decided to throw LSF off the cliff , those people are the ones to blame the most.


    You cannot slap one in the face and hide the hand that did it. Or pull the trigger and then say it was someone else's order, so it's not directly your fault or as if you were bound to do so. Everyone is responsable for their own choices and attitudes. HYBE is the source of controversy and people should have protected the idols and by not doing so, they just threw LSF under the bus. People could've targeted HYBE itself, but LSF took most of the fault. No one is bound to trash anyone in order to defend another, it's always a choice. HYBE deserves direct backlash and not through its groups, not like that.


    People have the right to criticize, but those comments weren't even 10% of what was going around. Most comments were cruel and disguised as constructive criticism, just over the top straight forward hate. This is exactly the kind of movement that drives people to think their lives have no meaning and therefore, take their own lives. We've seen it happen over and over again, but people are still feeding and excusing this behavior.


    Your words make it seem as it there was no other way. There always is another way. Le Sserafim isn't HYBE. Newjeans isn't HYBE. Illit isn't HYBE.

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    The hate train LSF received is not all HYBE's fault. Those people knew HYBE was harming its groups and still decided to throw LSF off the cliff , those people are the ones to blame the most.


    You cannot slap one in the face and hide the hand that did it. Or pull the trigger and then say it was someone else's order, so it's not directly your fault or as if you were bound to do so. Everyone is responsable for their own choices and attitudes. HYBE is the source of controversy and people should have protected the idols and by not doing so, they just threw LSF under the bus. People could've targeted HYBE itself, but LSF took most of the fault. No one is bound to trash anyone in order to defend another, it's always a choice. HYBE deserves direct backlash and not through its groups, not like that.


    People have the right to criticize, but those comments weren't even 10% of what was going around. Most comments were cruel and disguised as constructive criticism, just over the top straight forward hate.

    i disagree, and i already expainded why.

    Wow.


    It does matters if you do. As I said before, you are responsible for your choices and attitudes. Isn't LE SSERAFIM just trying to WORK in peace and fairness?! They didn't choose their debut date, they didn't choose any of what happened to NJZ, just like they didn't choose for Garam to leave the group. Every single agency wants their group to dominate the world, but destroying another in order to accomplish that is definetly NOT the way to go. You wanting your favorite to work in peace and dominate the world is not wrong at all, but trashing another group in order to do so is very messed up.


    You don't have to like LE SSERAFIM, but do it for the right reasons. All girls groups envolved didn't choose this, they just wanted to work in peace. Mind your words, homegirl. No one asked for this. You are not being fair.

  • AllKill VIP

    Tati, please stop commenting on these threads if you have so many negative feelings associated with them. Just because you dislike them does not mean you have to drag the mood and everyone down with you. Go to a thread about your faves and let Le serrafim fans have a thread where they can talk about theirs.

    I'm a bit torn on this situation:


    LSFM are humans who haven't done anything malicious. They're working and trying to do what they love. They're just girlies trying their best to survive with the jand they were handed with.


    On the other hand, LSFM are individuals with agency. It is their choice to continue to work with HYBE, and it has it's own consequence. Are the girlies aware of those consequences (hate trains, having Bang insert himself, being pushed around by management, high expectations from Bang), I don't know.


    I am not going to assume that Bang/Source/Hybe is manipulating them (the same why I did not assume MHJ manipulating NJZ). I do think if LSFM makes a choice (Stay, sue, continue, etc), they should weigh the consequences and hold their head high and do so without regret.


    To add, I have a heavy distrust with HYBE/Source management. I am unsure whether this post is sincere or a media play by their management. This is the biggest damage HYBE/Source has done to the girlies--some people are unsure whether or not the girlies are sincere or if HYBE/Source inserted themselves again.


    If I like a song, I will listen to it. However, it ain't going to be directly from HYBE's accounts. It's gonna be from a third party with little to no views.

    The members of NewJeans submitted 8 articles for how they had been wronged by Ador, gave Ador 14 days to amend these issues, and that they would consider their contract terminated if they did not (they did not).


    I don't think LSF could come up with 8 similiar reasons, Hybe/Source genuinely has no ability to prevent people like Tatiananumbers from equating LSF with Bang in 14 days at this point and cease their attacks or however long LSF could give them. And the decline of their songs's metrics are corrolated to Coachella too.


    Now people that actually paid to go to Coachella generally had nothing but praise for their performance, it's the armchair vocal coaches listening to Youtube livestream at home that got ever so offended for all the money they didn't waste. The livestream pretty much gave you mic audio directly, highlighting any imperfections usually hidden behind the rest of the music. It's really not the same sound experience that the actual Coachella performance amounted too. But all the same LSF sueing Hybe and coming at someone else for the decline in popularity that followed their performance given that those still were their own voices that people feel fell short would be career suicide too. NJZ fans might let up if they found themselves in the same camp but Koreans in general would definitely drag them even more.

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    I believe it to be very sincere. To me, it’s a empathic process, to put yourself in someone else’s shoes. When I’m wearing LSF shoes, every single word feels authentic and very genuine. There’s no way a GG going through this wouldn’t be feeling just like that.


    When it comes to ending their contract, it is not an easy decision. I don’t see a mother figure guiding them and technically, HYBE didn’t do to LSF what they did to NJZ. So on what terms should they end a very expensive contract or sue HYBE? And if they left, they would be leaving behind their group roots, strategy and future plans to a very uncertain future. LSF image is already damaged, to me, it doesn’t seem promising to leave and start from scratch while having to pay a big ass fine over the contract termination. There seem to be no ground to terminate without the fine.

    as of now lsrfm has no reason to leave hybe imo. The damage is already done and while their "success" were indeed affected by it, what can they do? They still have years ahead of them, hybe still willing to give them cbs, promotions, tours. Actually if I was them I would just take advantage of the remain time to build a fb, to build a career and to make money.

    It's silly to ask new groups to terminate their contracts bc the company they are in is bad, idols aren't in the industry just to please fans, they are there working and mainly making money to have a better future for them and their families. Sure if the girls decide to not renew cool, but now they'll keep working with Hybe and blaming them for it just shows how non intelligent you (in general) are. You are saying "ok, show me you aren't terrible like Hybe and pay millions of termination fees just so I'll stop hating on you" like ??? Why would they?? This is their lives, they already went through hell to debut and after debuting they went through hell again, let them now make their money to "compensate" all this shit they are going through.

    Fair criticism is right, hate isn't.

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    The members of NewJeans submitted 8 articles for how they had been wronged by Ador, gave Ador 14 days to amend these issues, and that they would consider their contract terminated if they did not (they did not).


    I don't think LSF could come up with 8 similiar reasons, Hybe/Source genuinely has no ability to prevent people like Tatiananumbers from equating LSF with Bang in 14 days at this point and cease their attacks or however long LSF could give them. And the decline of their songs's metrics are corrolated to Coachella too.


    Now people that actually paid to go to Coachella generally had nothing but praise for their performance, it's the armchair vocal coaches listening to Youtube livestream at home that got ever so offended for all the money they didn't waste. The livestream pretty much gave you mic audio directly, highlighting any imperfections usually hidden behind the rest of the music. It's really not the same sound experience that the actual Coachella performance amounted too. But all the same LSF sueing Hybe and coming at someone else for the decline in popularity that followed their performance given that those still were their own voices that people feel fell short would be career suicide too. NJZ fans might let up if they found themselves in the same camp but Koreans in general would definitely drag them even more.

    Performance wise, LSFM is a group of good

    performers. Like any group they have their weaknesses and room for improvement (they're human afterall). I personally disagree with the intense hate they received. Were there criticism, yes. But the criticism they received was ill intent and insincere from what I noted.


    I don't know the behind the scenes of LSFM, and I'm assuming they know their situation the best. Again, if they choose to stay (for one reason or another), I hope they hold their heads high and not regret. I can't hate a person for doing what's best for them. I can dislike the choice, but it's their life and I'll just move on with mine.


    Also, I hope they take care of their mental health and detox for social media when they can.

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    I believe it to be very sincere. To me, it’s a empathic process, to put yourself in someone else’s shoes. When I’m wearing LSF shoes, every single word feels authentic and very genuine. There’s no way a GG going through this wouldn’t be feeling just like that.


    When it comes to ending their contract, it is not an easy decision. I don’t see a mother figure guiding them and technically, HYBE didn’t do to LSF what they did to NJZ. So on what terms should they end a very expensive contract or sue HYBE? And if they left, they would be leaving behind their group roots, strategy and future plans to a very uncertain future. LSF image is already damaged, to me, it doesn’t seem promising to leave and start from scratch while having to pay a big ass fine over the contract termination. There seem to be no ground to terminate without the fine.

    I do hope the girlies have someone they can lean on and look guidance to that's not part of their company.


    I do not know the content of their contracts. But I assume they know what's best for them. If they choose to continue because they believe it's what's best, then I hope they make that choice without regret and are proud with themselves (they made the best choice for their own sakes after all).

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    hybe ruined this girls.

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    for the hate their artist got? hybe are fully responsible.

    Can people stop fucking saying shit like this?!


    No, actually HYBE is not "fully responsible" for the hate train.


    Every. single. person. who hated on LE SSERAFIM is a human being. A human being that is perfectly and fully in control of their own actions and decisions. HYBE does not possess and control every single hater through the screen, forcing y'all to hate on LE SSERAFIM. If you spew hate toward a group that has done nothing wrong, that is YOUR fault, and yours only.


    YOU decided to hate on innocent girls.


    YOU decided to berate and degrade them until one of them literally became scared of going on stage and singing. SINGING! What's next?? You want them to hurt themselves for you to finally shut your mouths and simply focus on your own faves??


    YOU ALL have caused significant mental and emotional damage to them, and YOU ALL need to take responsibility. I'm all for throwing HYBE under the bus but you should learn to hold yourself accountable, too as the decent human being you are supposed to be.


    This is not something you can just blame HYBE for when its convenient for you. Take responsibility!


    You can openly hate them and wish the worst on them but now you can't admit that YOU are literally the one being toxic?! Be for real.

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    YOU decided to berate and degrade them until one of them literally became scared of going on stage and singing. SINGING! What's next?? You want them to hurt themselves for you to finally shut your mouths and simply focus on your own faves??


    YOU ALL have caused significant mental and emotional damage to them, and YOU ALL need to take responsibility. I'm all for throwing HYBE under the bus but you should learn to hold yourself accountable, too as the decent human being you are supposed to be.


    This is not something you can just blame HYBE for when its convenient for you. Take responsibility!

    This part is very important because if something were to happen. Then people will pretend to care about them due to them visibly being in a dark place. We've seen this happen often, but in real time fans don't step back and think maybe we shouldn't be mean to idols.


    Each member has stated many times they read comments and the hate train has affected them.


    Sakura - said from the start that she was affected by hate comments in iz*one and was scared to get more lines in lsf due to that. Then we all saw in the documentary last year that this is taking a toll on her mental health to perform. People being toxic were using that as ammo to make fun of her and tried to make a meme out of it


    Eunchae - has stated she read comments and it affected her mental health. Plus, there was video clips of her scrolling through twitter and we all know how nasty people are towards her.


    Chaewon - told people to F off and has had other comments about everything.


    Kazuha briefly mentioned it if you read between the lines.


    Yunjin has talked about it before and poured out her heart with this letter. Not saying people here, but we have clowns saying this letter is media play. Yunjin has always had open communication with fans, and this letter is no different.


    People want idols to show more personality and be more open, and when they do they get crucified. It's most likely why idols don't open themselves up because fans treat supporting a group like it's a sports team. It's sad that one of the groups that communicated with their fans a lot has to shutdown most public social media pages. I know they have weverse but they used to have other ways to communicate with fans.


    I feel these recent hate trains are just too much. People just need to learn to ignore a group if they don't like their content. No idol should receive hate and death threats. The girls did nothing wrong to have people hate on everything they release

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    Tati, please stop commenting on these threads if you have so many negative feelings associated with them. Just because you dislike them does not mean you have to drag the mood and everyone down with you. Go to a thread about your faves and let Le serrafim fans have a thread where they can talk about theirs.

    i totally agree with you. i never intended for it to go on that long too.


    the only reason i commented was because all this hybe/mhj-njz conflicts are too deeply interlinked. and i wanted to make it clear who are the main culprit of this poor girl's suffering.


    because when i read something like that i can't stop thinking about how and why it happened, so maybe something can be done about it.


    and all roads lead to HYBE. simple as that.

    Exactly!


    With how some people were reacting to their most recent documentary, I was actually disgusted.


    These fans are the same ones saying that idols shouldn't be afraid to speak out and idols should be able to voice their concerns...but when a specific idol has the courage to be vulnerable in public, they are really going to shut her out and invalidate her feelings?!


    Like, yes, I understand that some of the criticism she received was in fact constructive because she does have areas she needs to improve (as does every single human on earth) but i assure you that 4.9 out of 5 of the people who started screaming "iTs CoNsTrUcTiVe FeEdBaCk" after being called out, were not providing criticism but instead simply being haters and a-holes.


    Its astonishing on how many fans are willing to direct hateful, spiteful, and toxic energy toward one group but when that same energy is reciprocated toward their faves, all of a sudden, being toxic is an abomination.

    but it's hybe's decisions who lead to that. over and over again.


    they could even erase all the worst articles about them like did with bang, but he probably conveniently hides behind them. or keeps them up to use it as a mean to victimise the girls, even if they're hurt in the process even more. just to benefit his agenda.


    also people are humans too, if they see their favorite gg being destroyed and trashed by another agency so another group can take their place, they gonna be mad.


    they're gonna hate the b*astard who is behind that and will definitly not fall head over hills with the privileged group. they know how much this evil being is linked to this group, so they wanna hurt him by making them flop because specifically HE tried to sabotage and bury their beloved group just because he wasn't their producer.


    honestly? all this ssera mess smells like divine justice. (im not talking about death threats or other abominations but on the public turning their back on them). just towards mhj and the girls. he probably even stole that chella invitation from njz and made the girls dance on the stage with another stolen LV deal from them. utterly EVIL.


    don't do to others what you don't want to be done to you! period.


    all actions have consequences.


    also there is a difference between dislike/distaste and hate. i never agreed that hating anyone was ok?!!


    obviously knetz got really nasty with them because they felt humiliated as koreans with their chella stage. it's like they were getting revenge on their brused ego by berating them nonstop. their reaction didn't help either. it's not ok but again, it only really happend because of bang's ego and greed. which is the ROOT of all this mess.


    if anything were to happend to ANYONE, it's on him primarly.


    i'm sorry but the person who was the most directly attacked in all this mess was mhj. for DAYS. she didn't do anything to deserve it. she just tried to protect her ips and her company. with the way the media treated her, everybody even the girls were scared that she might k*ll herself. hearin even directly called her to hear her voice because she was so scared. HYBE DID THAT.


  • AllKill VIP

    It's honestly exhausting how you keep shifting all responsibility onto HYBE while completely ignoring personal accountability. Yes, HYBE has made decisions that affected LE SSERAFIM, but that does not excuse the people who actively chose to harass and degrade them. At the end of the day, no company is forcing anyone to send hate. Those actions belong to individuals, and they should be held responsible for them.


    Your entire argument boils down to, "HYBE made people mad, so their response is justified." No, it's not. It’s one thing to dislike a company or its business decisions, but it's completely different when people direct that anger toward innocent idols who had no say in those decisions.


    And let's be real—what you're saying about "divine justice" is incredibly messed up. You’re basically saying LE SSERAFIM deserved to be hated because of Bang Si-hyuk’s actions, which is just cruel. The girls are human beings, not chess pieces in some corporate revenge fantasy. They don’t deserve to be treated as collateral damage just because you don’t like their company.


    At some point, you need to stop blaming everything on a single person and acknowledge that people make their own choices—including the choice to spread hate. If you claim to be against hatred, then stop justifying it when it happens to someone you don’t like.

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    they could even erase all the worst articles about them like did with bang, but he probably conveniently hides behind them. or keeps them up to use it as a mean to victimise the girls, even if they're hurt in the process even more. just to benefit his agenda.

    Sure, BSH is hiding behind them but who exactly is the attacker??

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    people are humans too, if they see their favorite gg being destroyed and trashed by another agency so another group can take their place, they gonna be mad.

    You have a right to be mad. What you DONT have a right to do is take out that frustration on an innocent group.

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    obviously knetz got really nasty with them because they felt humiliated as koreans with their chella stage. it's like they were getting revenge on their brused ego by berating them nonstop. their reaction didn't help either. it's not ok but again, it only really happend because of bang's ego and greed. which is the ROOT of all this mess.

    Did you even read any of what I said?


    BSH is not FORCING y'all to be straight up shitty ass human beings.

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    i never agreed that hating anyone was ok?!!

    really??


    so...what did you get banned for, then? hm?

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    don't do to others what you don't want to be done to you! period.

    Take your own advice. Period.

    again there is a difference betwen hated and disliked. it's not the same.


    haters are wrong. they should calm down and if anything direct their hate to the deserving people.


    personally, even their chella performances debacle i blamed it on hybe and not on the girls. they were just not ready, but bang was too greedy so who cares? well koreans definitly did.


    again i never attacked the girls or justified any hate. i'm saying there is a root to all this mess, it started with him and sadly it will also end with him.


    i don't think the girls have a future in hybe. i don't even think hybe has any future past bts.

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    You keep saying there’s a difference between hate and dislike, but that doesn’t change the fact that you’re excusing the behavior of people who went beyond simple “dislike.” Saying, “haters are wrong, but this all started with HYBE so it’s understandable,” is still justifying their actions. It’s like saying, “I’m not condoning it, but…”—which is just a roundabout way of excusing it.


    Also, saying “this all started with Bang and will end with him” is a massive oversimplification. People have free will. They’re not mindless puppets who are being forced to harass the group just because of company politics. You don’t have to like HYBE or Bang Si-hyuk, but blaming them for every single action people take is avoiding the bigger issue—that people are willingly choosing to cross the line.


    As for LE SSERAFIM’s future, that’s not for you to decide. Just because you personally don’t see a future for them in HYBE doesn’t mean they won’t have one. Plenty of groups have faced massive backlash and still thrived. If they have the drive and the fanbase to support them, they’ll continue moving forward. And whether HYBE has a future past BTS isn’t relevant to this conversation—it’s just another way for you to shift blame instead of acknowledging the real problem.


    If you really believe haters are wrong, then stop making excuses for them. Either hold them accountable or admit that you don’t actually have an issue with what they’re doing.


    You have been told to stop by several people and a mod in this thread alone, not to mention the countless other threads and times, time to do just that STOP.

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