Maybe she have more fans?
Why? People wanted her album. Again, it's not rocket science. It's not even electrical potato science fair project science. SM sold her album and people bought it, because it's a commodity they valued enough to purchase with their currency. Which part of this basic concept are you having trouble with?
Why? People wanted her album. Again, it's not rocket science. It's not even electrical potato science fair project science. SM sold her album and people bought it, because it's a commodity they valued enough to purchase with their currency. Which part of this basic concept are you having trouble with?
Surface level thinking. It's like saying water is wet because it's liquid and knowing it's because it has an electric dipole which reacts with both hydrophobic and hydrophilic surfaces
So I'll cut to the chase, more people wanted to see Irene than listen to Taeyeon or Wendy or Seulgi, more purchased albums means higher chances of getting into virtual and in-person fan sign meetings
She has maybe bigger Chinese fan base hence more albums sold?
Surface level thinking. It's like saying water is wet because it's liquid and knowing it's because it has an electric dipole which reacts with both hydrophobic and hydrophilic surfaces
So I'll cut to the chase, more people wanted to see Irene than listen to Taeyeon or Wendy or Seulgi, more purchased albums means higher chances of getting into virtual and in-person fan sign meetings
Why are you selectively applying this logic to Irene and not those other women, who also hold things such as fanmeets? Do some people buy their albums for that purpose? I'm sure they do, particularly in the Seoul area, where one actually has a chance of attending said fanmeet. But most buy their albums because they want to listen to them. It is an album after all, not a picture book (she already released one of those) or a ticket to meet them. You were too quick to cut to the chase, because you've reached a faulty conclusion in the process.
maybe it's the visuals?
maybe she has more fans
I mean we as kpop fans could give a million reasons and still not hit on the most relevant or important ones since honestly we don't know but I'm pretty sure SM has details of where the albums were sold whether it be SK or China or fan clubs or randoms etc etc
maybe it's the visuals?
maybe she has more fans
I mean we as kpop fans could give a million reasons and still not hit on the most relevant or important ones since honestly we don't know but I'm pretty sure SM has details of where the albums were sold whether it be SK or China or fan clubs or randoms etc etc
Irene's video fansigns are literally all Chinese. We all know they are the biggest bulk buyers in the kpop world. Irene has usually not advanced beyond Korea most of her career but because of those Chinese fans purchasing power she started to cater more to them in recent years
Irene's video fansigns are literally all Chinese. We all know they are the biggest bulk buyers in the kpop world. Irene has usually not advanced beyond Korea most of her career but because of those Chinese fans purchasing power she started to cater more to them in recent years
well great you seemed to have answered your own question lol
well great you seemed to have answered your own question lol
it was a rhetorical question implying that visual has the greatest advantage over vocal abilities in kpop
Irene's video fansigns are literally all Chinese. We all know they are the biggest bulk buyers in the kpop world. Irene has usually not advanced beyond Korea most of her career but because of those Chinese fans purchasing power she started to cater more to them in recent years
No, they're literally not. You just fabricated this idea that Chinese fans bought her album in bulk because
A) You hate Irene
and
B) You have no problem furthering the stereotype that Chinese are bigger bulk buyers than any other Kpop fan, so they're a convenient tool for the farcical narrative you wish to spin.
it was a rhetorical question implying that visual has the greatest advantage over vocal abilities in kpop
It was a rhetorical question based on a blatantly inaccurate premise born from your own seething rather than logic. It isn't lost on anyone that you couldn't answer my question from the previous post. You know your own faulty logic doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but you weren't going to let that stop you.
Display MoreNo, they're literally not. You just fabricated this idea that Chinese fans bought her album in bulk because
A) You hate Irene
and
B) You have no problem furthering the stereotype that Chinese are bigger bulk buyers than any other Kpop fan, so they're a convenient tool for the farcical narrative you wish to spin.
It was a rhetorical question based on a blatantly inaccurate premise born from your own seething rather than logic. It isn't lost on anyone that you couldn't answer my question from the previous post. You know your own faulty logic doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but you weren't going to let that stop you.
you are fabricating that i hate Irene. i'm still a fan and have been following her activities. as for chinese bulk buyers, i dare you, i double dog dare you find another country with these amount of album purchases. provide the receipts then i wont assume you are saying nothing more substantial than hot air
imagine supporting this brat after what she did to her stylist. 
you are fabricating that i hate Irene. i'm still a fan and have been following her activities. as for chinese bulk buyers, i dare you, i double dog dare you find another country with these amount of album purchases. provide the receipts then i wont assume you are saying nothing more substantial than hot air
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It's clear as day that you hate her. Why you have that weird username is beyond me, but you're not fooling anyone by claiming to be a fan after repeatedly shading her. I mean, did you think no one was paying attention? I can bring plenty of receipts if you wish.
You can pretend the Chinese are the only Kpop fans who bulk buy, it won't change anything because you can't prove there's some Chinese scheme to bulk buy Irene's album in particular.
imagine supporting this brat after what she did to her stylist.
"This brat" did absolutely nothing to her stylists, who in fact came to her defense after her scandal broke. But you obviously wouldn't know that, because you know so little about said scandal that you have no idea who all was even involved, much less what happened.
OP obsession with Irene is hella weird but I'll take the bait
she's the most popular RV member so why is the fact that she holds the highest sales in the group surprising to anyone
her debut was highly anticipated hence why there's so much demand, her fans were saving money to support her debut whilst idols like taeyeon release a physical album every year.
OP obsession with Irene is hella weird but I'll take the bait
she's the most popular RV member so why is the fact that she holds the highest sales in the group surprising to anyone
her debut was highly anticipated hence why there's so much demand, her fans were saving money to support her debut whilst idols like taeyeon release a physical album every year.
Isn’t seulgi the most popular member?
Isn’t seulgi the most popular member?
Amoungst general kpop fans who aren't fans of RV maybe, but in terms of fanbase it's always been Irene. Until her scandal she was also the most popular with the GP and considering the reaction to her exhibition, she still has a bigger pull than you'd think with the GP.
I'd also point out China has been going through an economic crisis for a while now, so for Irene to sell this much despite the overall decline in sales across the industry since her members debuted solo and her main fanbase not being able to spend as much as they normally would is insane. Can't imagine how much she'd have sold if she debuted earlier.
Sus. I feel like OP has a kink for human behavior theory and how it relates to K-pop.
People have been waiting for an album from Irene since forever now. It might be another forever until we get another Irene solo project. That's why people are cherishing this while they can.
Meanwhile Taeyeon comes back at least once a year. The other SM female vocalists are bound to come back at some point.
With Irene, you just never know when that will happen.
In Japan, this record is about Hanteo in Korea. Boa sold a million copies of 2 albums in Japan which is verified by Oricon, not Hanteo.
Too little, too late since I don't think Irene will do a concert at the stadiums
Display MoreSus. I feel like OP has a kink for human behavior theory and how it relates to K-pop.
People have been waiting for an album from Irene since forever now. It might be another forever until we get another Irene solo project. That's why people are cherishing this while they can.
Meanwhile Taeyeon comes back at least once a year. The other SM female vocalists are bound to come back at some point.
With Irene, you just never know when that will happen.
Considering her sales, I doubt it'll be too long before we see a comeback from Irene. Especially given the fact that there's a high possibility that Red Velvet is winding down soon, as much as I hate to say it. So we could be seeing a lot more solo Irene and hopefully Irene & Seulgi as a subunit, at the very least.
Given her sales, I doubt it'll be too long before we see a comeback from Irene. Especially given the fact that there's a high possibility that Red Velvet is winding down soon, as much as I hate to say it. So we could be seeing a lot more solo Irene and hopefully Irene & Seulgi as a subunut, at the very least.
Red Velvet isn’t going anywhere. Every time they come back people say this. They had a good cb, so I’m expecting them to return in 2025
Red Velvet isn’t going anywhere. Every time they come back people say this. They had a good cb, so I’m expecting them to return in 2025
Except most people have been saying this while ignoring the fact that they're still under contract, so there was basically no possibility of them going on hiatus until now. This is no longer the case, with their contracts ending at various points this year and the status of three members still being a complete mystery. I'd like to think it won't affect them either way, but an SM girl group has never NOT gone on hiatus after members leave the company.
Cosmic was most likely considered a disappointment, both in terms of charting & sales, so that also doesn't help. Nor does SM debuting another girl group soon.
Except most people have been saying this while ignoring the fact that they're still under contract, so there was basically no possibility of them going on hiatus until now. This is no longer the case, with their contracts ending at various points this year and the status of three members still being a complete mystery. I'd like to think it won't affect them either way, but an SM girl group has never NOT not gone hiatus after members leave the company.
Cosmic was most likely considered a disappointment, both in terms of charting & sales, so that also doesn't help.
If all members want to continue to have a group cbs SM will give them frequent cbs.
Shinee had frequent cbs and they were supposed to have a cb in may this year, but because 2 of them left SM and wanted to have more solo schedules they couldn’t make a cb anymore.
Anyways I’m hopeful for their cb in 2025 and for Seulgi’s 1st cb too
If all members want to continue to have a group cbs SM will give them frequent cbs.
Shinee had frequent cbs and they were supposed to have a cb in may this year, but because 2 of them left SM and wanted to have more solo schedules they couldn’t make a cb anymore.
Anyways I’m hopeful for their cb in 2025 and for Seulgi’s 1st cb too
I wish this were true, but we have quite a few examples of the members publicly voicing discontent with SM in recent years, and they most likely don't receive as many group activities as they'd like (they've been doing only one comeback a year for the most part.) I wouldn't be at all surprised if Joy in particular decided to leave, especially if the rumors about her wanting to pursue acting more are true.
No one listens to albums. She doesn’t have more streams than Taeyeon. 3rd gen just has more hardcore album buying Stan’s than 2nd gen. I guess OP is new to kpop and doesn’t know this.
And even if a “visual” has more streams than a vocalist it may not be because they’re visuals but rather because their songs are more catchy. Just cuz you’re a good vocalist doesn’t mean you release catchy songs esp SM vocalists always go the boring ballad route so like. Song is also a factor.
Talent is overrated.
Considering her sales, I doubt it'll be too long before we see a comeback from Irene. Especially given the fact that there's a high possibility that Red Velvet is winding down soon, as much as I hate to say it. So we could be seeing a lot more solo Irene and hopefully Irene & Seulgi as a subunit, at the very least.
We're almost in 2025, and things have changed a lot. I don't think groups are just going to disband, never to be seen again.
There are way more opportunities and options for idols nowadays, and they also have more leverage than ever.
Look at GOT7, GFRIEND, 2NE1, Lovelyz, Brave Girls, B.A.P, and even BIGBANG. They've all managed to figure out a way to reunite and even have a formal comeback. It's as if there's no such thing as disbandment anymore unless there's some serious rift in chemistry or the members have no interest in continuing as a group. If anything, some idols might prefer this laidback approach to being idols.
I think part of this is the fact that they know how special the group is to them and the fans. No matter how much they do well as solo artists, there's always going to be the nostalgic appeal of group activity.
Coming back after everyone thought they permanently disbanded is probably much less pressure on them, and there's more of a work-life balance. They can do things on their own accord. For all of these groups that I mentioned, the members put in time and effort to reunite out of their own volition.
There's a girl group that reunited this year. My memory sucks right now, so I can't remember their name. I think it starts with a P? I think from 2nd gen. Well, they reunited and rerecorded one of their old songs. One of the members personally funded the reunion if I remember correctly. bartkun Help me out here. Which group was this?
There's a girl group that reunited this year. My memory sucks right now, so I can't remember their name. I think it starts with a P? I think from 2nd gen. Well, they reunited and rerecorded one of their old songs. One of the members personally funded the reunion if I remember correctly. bartkun Help me out here. Which group was this?
Display MoreWe're almost in 2025, and things have changed a lot. I don't think groups are just going to disband, never to be seen again.
There are way more opportunities and options for idols nowadays, and they also have more leverage than ever.
Look at GOT7, GFRIEND, 2NE1, Lovelyz, Brave Girls, B.A.P, and even BIGBANG. They've all managed to figure out a way to reunite and even have a formal comeback. It's as if there's no such thing as disbandment anymore unless there's some serious rift in chemistry or the members have no interest in continuing as a group. If anything, some idols might prefer this laidback approach to being idols.
I think part of this is the fact that they know how special the group is to them and the fans. No matter how much they do well as solo artists, there's always going to be the nostalgic appeal of group activity.
Coming back after everyone thought they permanently disbanded is probably much less pressure on them, and there's more of a work-life balance. They can do things on their own accord. For all of these groups that I mentioned, the members put in time and effort to reunite out of their own volition.
There's a girl group that reunited this year. My memory sucks right now, so I can't remember their name. I think it starts with a P? I think from 2nd gen. Well, they reunited and rerecorded one of their old songs. One of the members personally funded the reunion if I remember correctly. bartkun Help me out here. Which group was this?
SM groups don't get disbanded either way. They haven't even officially disbanded f(x), who are almost certainly never coming back. I meant that RV are most likely going on hiatus if they don't all renew with SM. Even if they do, I could see group activities start to take a backseat to solos from now on.
I think it's mainly that 3G onwards have more hardcore fans. Iirc Wendy outsold Taeyeon in same time frames of their careers yet it's clear to anyone Taeyeon is a much bigger idol and has a significantly bigger appeal to public listeners.
Irene is even more popular than Wendy so it makes sense she's going to be best seller in SM. I wouldn't be surprised if an Aespa member solo album beats Irene and she becomes the best selling female in SM, Karina in particular might even go for 1m.
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