Name one group that actually succeeded on their own, without leeching off the success of others.

Newjeans

name your faves thread

No one can name a kpop group that is in a company

I mean, any group under a big 4 label really... didn't. They "leeched" off the resources and power of the label to push them.

Again, no kpop groups are a plucky group of friends starting in their garage, doing it tough in local gigs at dingy bars and nightclubs, building an audience on social media from literally nothing for years before getting discovered and blowing up.

By the very nature of being manufactured, focus group tested, designed and shaped by committee, every big group has gotten where they are through the power and success of those that came before.

But also...

Dreamcatcher.

IU (for sure) , BOA (paved way for kpop in Japan) , Akmu (talent), Psy(his song just come out of nowhere)

SNSD (brings the boys out), 2ne1 (paved way for bp trend), bigbang (BTS inspiration/copied)

Tvxq(multi album/photo card album pioneer)

I want to say newjeans but clearly they made noise by being MHj gg,so no.

Mamamoo. There is no better answer.

blackpink

edit: I mean if people mention Aespa from SM and new jeans a sublabel under hybe.

what does one mean leeching off the success of others?

most groups that debuted from a company which had prior debutees - one could argue "leeched" off others but why does one call it leeching? is using the resources of the company built upon those who came before you leeching?

my parents provided me with food and expenses and accommodation whilst I studied at uni - is that "leeching"

every group uses resources to debut and those resources must come from somewhere - investment, loans or prior success of one's seniors and if a group is successful (ie. output > input) the company continues along and eventually debuts new trainees...If one isn't successful (ie. inputs < output) well that's a sure path to disbandment

Stray Kids

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What about groups that form their own company then?

Like Highlight.

Previously as BEAST they left Cube and the members formed their own company

They got famous off of the reputation of past cube artists technically

If they're self producing then I'm giving it to them. Hearing demos and picking one is not the same as making something from scratch.