I count all ethnic koreans, half or not, as koreans, that include those that are americans by nationality or something else.
JYP probably did not add any non-koreans to ITZY or NMIXX because they have other groups with the purpose of being succesful in Japan and Chinese members are not common anymore. But it could aslo just be random factor also.
I count all ethnic koreans, half or not, as koreans, that include those that are americans by nationality or something else.
JYP probably did not add any non-koreans to ITZY or NMIXX because they have other groups with the purpose of being succesful in Japan and Chinese members are not common anymore. But it could aslo just be random factor also.
are you perhaps from homogeneous country? Because this is how people from homogeneous countries think. In general I'd consider lily as mixed but in k-pop terms to me she's Korean. I (and people here) would consider yunjin as korean. Her parents are korean and her mother tongue is korean; she's Korean who lives/d in USA. Same for Nina Dobrev, Bulgarian who grew up in Canada. This basically means that foreigners (both different nationality and race) can never be considered as my country's nationality.
kazuyakamenashi what about you? What do you (koreans) consider Koreans and can foreigners (born and raised in Korea but are not ethnically Koreans) be concerned as Koreans?
Well, Atleast they are not in a sweat shop making some shit.
Between this and the Brazil thread I'm beginning to wonder about you
Wasn't it because of politics? They already had the flag issue with Tyuzu, Sana got hate for welcoming in the new emperor in Japan, increasing issues in China with the ban meant groups like EXO couldn't even have some members active so promotions abroad were limited, then you had the reactions from international fans from people like Jackson siding with China etc. It was an endless mess.
Twice had foreign members to target foreign markets and it worked. Itzy was aimed at the US market so the focus was on their english skills (and why they wanted Somi) and them looking more western. By the time Nmixx came around it and was aimed at the US and Korea it became pretty clear you didn't 'need' foreign members in a group to succeed in the US, it just helped with communication but was a major drawback as fans had higher expectations when it came to western issues. Not worth the risk. Instead they made groups specifically for that with VCHA and we all know how thats going.
Well. In the Brazil thread I was trying to prove a point (and I did, btw)
Now, here in south America we always joke about how shitty the jobs are, and how artists (or anybody) who don't succeed end in those jobs. Mmmm, thinking about, yeah, could look xenophobic. But also, a lot of products from China are very cheap, and for what i know those "jobs" are very close to slavery. Anyway, a joke in the end.
are you perhaps from homogeneous country? Because this is how people from homogeneous countries think. In general I'd consider lily as mixed but in k-pop terms to me she's Korean. I (and people here) would consider yunjin as korean. Her parents are korean and her mother tongue is korean; she's Korean who lives/d in USA. Same for Nina Dobrev, Bulgarian who grew up in Canada. This basically means that foreigners (both different nationality and race) can never be considered as my country's nationality.
kazuyakamenashi what about you? What do you (koreans) consider Koreans and can foreigners (born and raised in Korea but are not ethnically Koreans) be concerned as Koreans?
They can be Korean as there are quite a few foreign born children who are natural citizens of Korea han hyumin is one of them, even though he's half, he still by in large doesn't look ethnically Asian. Forgien looking people have a harder time on being accepted as authentically Korean as they don't look like your traditional Asian Korean. It's a mixed bag question because some aren't accepted but others are. Jonathan the black guy that is a popular TV host. Hey speaks fluent Korean knows and practices the culture and is now a citizen and even registered to join the military. He's seen by most as Korean but this isn't always true for everyone that doesn't look Asian
a company can choose to debut whomever they want whether it be korean koreans, mixed koreans or foreigners...
it shouldn't matter what race or nationality a person is - just enjoy the music and hte group
He wanted to pull bts
all korean members being the most successful kpop group ever
lily is half white but she still counts since her mom is korean plus an english speaker
if you ever read knetz, i've seen many comments being proud that bts is fully korean and didn't have foreign members. Like twice having Japanese members and Lisa fans always gain attention for protesting mistreatment of Lisa whether it's true or not. These fans end up insulting Koreans too. That's why im glad bts is korean comment type was always there
are you perhaps from homogeneous country? Because this is how people from homogeneous countries think. In general I'd consider lily as mixed but in k-pop terms to me she's Korean. I (and people here) would consider yunjin as korean. Her parents are korean and her mother tongue is korean; she's Korean who lives/d in USA. Same for Nina Dobrev, Bulgarian who grew up in Canada. This basically means that foreigners (both different nationality and race) can never be considered as my country's nationality.
kazuyakamenashi what about you? What do you (koreans) consider Koreans and can foreigners (born and raised in Korea but are not ethnically Koreans) be concerned as Koreans?
Acctually the opposite, Sweden, 20 % of our population is born in on other contry, add to that the children of those born in Sweden but with parents born in an other contry. Few contries in the world have such big share of their population being born outside of the contry.
But by point was in more general terms. if they look like korean and speak korean and also live in SK. Well, than they are more or less korean koreans. That does not mean that can't they also can be americans because they grew up in US and the nationality is an US citizen. But I would not really called them "foreigners" or "non-koreans" because of that.
I can guess South Korean themself maybe have different view of it. I'm a bit curious how the Idols themself things about themself, like all the koreans from US, do they still see themself as only americans? Like Tiffany in Girl's Genaration, is she still only american or does she have a SK citizenship also?
It seems the training period has gotten shorter over the years. Foreigners likely need more time to learn the language, and time is money for these companies
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