Some Funny Shit

I don't really get why you or people in general find it a problem that he didn't "acknowledge the simliarties, the copy, or offer an apology" though?

A person said something similar when it came to the Chaeyeon and Key thing, they didn't like that WM simply explained their artistic inspirations/sources, but didn't "address the accusations of plagiarism". Do they have to say "yes, the similarities were unintentional and we did not knowingly plagiarize" in order for the point to be made? That's just like if someone said with Cookie, "Oh, they never acknowledged that the song could be perceived as inappropriate", the entire statement's existence is an acknowledgement that there was a misunderstanding.

So then going back to this Vata thing. The fact that he made a statement on "the misunderstanding" and "the controversy" is already acknowledging that the dances look similar. I don't see why he has to say "The moves indeed look similar, but I did not knowingly plagiarize them" for that point to be understood.

As for apology.

In the allkpop article's translation he says something like "I feel apologetic" rather than "I express my gratitude", you can read it for yourself, I think this makes more sense than the auto-translation.

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2022/10/street-man-fighter-dancer-vata-finally-speaks-up-about-the-plagiarism-controversy-surrounding-his-new-thing-choreography

However, regardless of if we use the auto translation or Susan-Han's translation, I don't think it's necessary to apologize in this situation. I guess this is subjective but if I was accused of plagiarizing a close contact's art and I didn't actually do it. Then I would try to explain to them why I didn't copy it rather than apologize for "causing them misunderstanding/worry".

(Of course if I did copy it on purpose, then I would also try to explain. But my point is, I would think the right thing to do in this situation is explain rather than give a meaningless apology. This is not about being mean or hurtful, this is about whether he copied or not. The apology would be like "I apologize that I made a dance which looks similar to your dance" which is totally meaningless)

The translation calling him Bata makes me think of my native language's word for "boat". (or at least in genitiv plural)

Him looking like the 9th member of ATEEZ is so funny.

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I don't really get why you or people in general find it a problem that he didn't "acknowledge the simliarties, the copy, or offer an apology" though?

A person said something similar when it came to the Chaeyeon and Key thing, they didn't like that WM simply explained their artistic inspirations/sources, but didn't "address the accusations of plagiarism". Do they have to say "yes, the similarities were unintentional and we did not knowingly plagiarize" in order for the point to be made? That's just like if someone said with Cookie, "Oh, they never acknowledged that the song could be perceived as inappropriate", the entire statement's existence is an acknowledgement that there was a misunderstanding.

So then going back to this Vata thing. The fact that he made a statement on "the misunderstanding" and "the controversy" is already acknowledging that the dances look similar. I don't see why he has to say "The moves indeed look similar, but I did not knowingly plagiarize them" for that point to be understood.

As for apology.

In the allkpop article's translation he says something like "I feel apologetic" rather than "I express my gratitude", you can read it for yourself, I think this makes more sense than the auto-translation.

https://www.allkpop.com/articl…is-new-thing-choreography

However, regardless of if we use the auto translation or Susan-Han's translation, I don't think it's necessary to apologize in this situation. I guess this is subjective but if I was accused of plagiarizing a close contact's art and I didn't actually do it. Then I would try to explain to them why I didn't copy it rather than apologize for "causing them misunderstanding/worry".

(Of course if I did copy it on purpose, then I would also try to explain. But my point is, I would think the right thing to do in this situation is explain rather than give a meaningless apology. This is not about being mean or hurtful, this is about whether he copied or not. The apology would be like "I apologize that I made a dance which looks similar to your dance" which is totally meaningless)

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Both statment are gaslighting and trash

1 part of it being similar coincident, if it's 5 similar things the chance of it being coincident is null.

For atteze choreo, it's beat per beat same. There is no difference in tempo in any of the steps.

For Key album thing like plzzzz since when mint and lilac became a common Halloween or scary theme colors? It's obvious they copied it. They didn't put the statement out in public bc they knew they will get eaten up. WM just posted it in their fanbase so they can circle jerk each other.

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I don't really need to explain it....And i've seen the translation in several ways, he basically disregards what he did, no accountability for his actions. The dance is the same shit. At least own up to it. He didn't even do that. He indirectly shaded everyone who's called him out. That being Wooyoung, The original Choreographers and anyone else concerned about it. If you want to think he's innocent and it's creative yeah okay lol.

There is no excuse you can give to tell me "this was some random creative moment"

It's about accountability, be a professional and own up to what you did. Instead of acting like a whiny ass hat and indirectly bashing the people calling you out for what you did.

I really don't need to explain it, you must be one of those people who are gonna defend him when the evidence, proof and everything is RIGHT there. If it's not a big deal Wooyoung wouldn't have professionally called him out and the choreographers wouldn't have said anything. Lol.

Please don't respond if you're going to be ignorant.

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Ok I understand where you are coming from, it makes sense to expect accountability if you are 100% certain he is in the wrong. Personally I think that it is possible that he came up with a similar short dance independently. But I understand how other people find that impossible and ridiculous, especially the original choreographers of the dance.

I do think there is a right answer to whether he copied or not, but that can't be determined by just looking at it being similar. They actually should have asked the guy whether he based his dance off of their dance, rather than assuming that he had to have done that. But I don't think they are interested in having a conversation about this anymore, both sides are moving on.

Basically the argument is "You copied because it looks almost the same" vs. "I didn't copy because I had my own inspiration and it's slightly different". I don't think either of them are going to budge from these reasonings, the ideal thing would be for them to have a conversation to resolve this, but I don't think that will happen.