You gotta hand it to Yama for his ability to make hit threads on topics that barely matter. I thought we all collectively agreed stanning BP isn't for the faint or fickle of heart 
The digs at their discography are low and unnecessary tho.
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Demographics of P*nn are worse than the AKP main page, which is all you need to know about whether the opinions there matter.
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Last years performance means very little imo, I know people like blame "How Sweet" / "Bubblegum" numbers on many things - Hybe stan boycott, somehow proof of payola loss, whatever, but imo the very simple answer is that those songs just didn't hit with the GP the way previous songs did but they performed absolutely within expectation for a group like NJ, so in my mind there's nothing more nefarious happening. No artist in the world can release endless viral hit after viral hit, which is what happened between "Hybe Boy" to "Ditto" to "Super Shy". You need more than one "underperforming" comeback (by their own standards) to establish any kind of conclusion or pattern.
That said, whether they achieve their U.S. peaks again depends heavily on who NJ signs with the future because good U.S. distribution networks and promotion is key. But it's absolutely within realm of possibility. They have 2 English speakers, and their visual and sound appeal naturally to western audiences.
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we'll see but my wife and I are very particular as to the actresses/actors we watch
Nirvana in Fire is the best period drama
followed closely by Minglan and Joy of Life (Season 1 and 2 - there's also season 3 incoming)
Nirvana in Fire is the goat of c dramas and if you enjoyed that you might also like Story of Yanxi Palace. Also a period revenge plot that's sf satisfying.
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ngl I didn't get the song hype when it was first released but "like jennie" has become such an earworm
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I can't think of any markets still open to them that aren't explicitly banned.
The way I see it, the injunction matters more than the main lawsuit.
As amazing, talented and successful as they are, they're still a newer group and young women at that. They can't afford to be out of the public eye for 3 years, and that's without having a 9 figure PR machine actively working to destroy their reputation. Especially being women, women who haven't had any opportunity to establish themselves outside of NewJeans, that's a career death sentence.
If they win the lawsuit (which has a low likelihood if they can't get past the injunction): then they will have been out of the public eye for 3 years, their brand deals will be gone and the industry will likely use lower interest to justify keeping an unofficial ban in place. Of course they'll still be somewhat successful but the risk is too much
If they want to compromise with Hybe and reach a settlement: they'd be walking into it at severe disadvantage
If they lose: their image in Korea is irreparably damaged. They'll definitely still be blacklisted and brands have no incentive to come near them. It's going to be a lot harder to find investors that will cover that debt, even if they'll still be successful
Obviously, I hate Hybe and think they shoulder a majority of the responsibility for how this whole shit show has played out, and I'm not stupid enough to think things will significantly improve if they go back, but it's survivable. They should have waited a year before trying this and not made it so obvious they were out to terminate their contracts. They were proactive when they should have been reactive
I understand why you feel this way and respect your position but realistically I can't see the girls ever working favorably with Ador again. And I think it would be highly detrimental to their mental health to know they are under the power of people who despise them. Even as an adult I couldn't do it, so I especially wouldn't sentence young girls to that. Imo the most balanced outcome is that Ador and NJZ settle privately in court. Yes I know NJZ would be going in at a disadvantage if they lose the appeal but it's still favorable than waiting 2-3 years for lawsuit to resolve or going back to Ador. Or who knows, it's possible the lawsuit might wrap up in a year.
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Yuqi is such a chinese beauty
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Except this termination is different. The court case is to validate the termination, but by way of how the girls declared it. If the courts go against the girls, they'll have to declare it again, meet with the label to hash out the terms of termination, and have it legally signed, too. That is why I think with this court case, the girls want to drag it out until next year, so that they have a lower chance of ever having to work with Ador again.
For example, if the court case validates the contract between now and say... September or October, Ador will quickly get them to do any activity that'll boost their monthly revenue, thereby increasing the termination fees upon exit. If the case is dragged out until next year, the Ador will have less time for them to do any sort of activity, if the girls filed to terminate their contracts in... May 2026. Ador stated in the first hearing for it that they want to have it resolved, or mediated, but the girls don't want that for "mental health" reasons (I think it's more relates to financial reasons than anything else).
Oh, that's very interesting.... I'd still not rather wait that long for this case to resolve but it's good that there at least seems to be a legal advantage.
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If it were dragged out until 5 years from now, there'd be no point in terminating and they may as well wait until the contracts end.
If the termination court case is dragged out until next year, then termination fees will drop, as it'll take into account the revenue of this year, and last year. Anything pre "How Sweet" won't be included in the calculations, if they terminate from May 26, 2026. They could go earlier on December 19, 2025, as "NJWMX" will be included, as that didn't generate much revenue, but you'll still have revenue from "Get Up" still included (which was still popular at the time).
The calculation is based on revenue from two years prior to the declaration of intent to terminate one's contract, multiplied by the remaining months of one's contract.
Declaration of intent to terminate happened last November, no? So why does the termination court case or how long it drags out affect the termination fee calculations?
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You shouldn't believe every word you read and take it at face value then.
I engaged ISaidISaid only because it's ISaidISaid. I don't really care about the topic; sometimes I have to antagonize and disagree with her on principle. Clearly the feeling is mutual.
And no, I'm not triggered. And I don't have to go for the awkward forced attempts at nonchalant humorous ambivalence like a certain user does all the time to mask the malice behind their messages.
What's truly interesting is that you think you have any insight on where my mind jump from let alone where it jumped to.
Are you less confused now or...? Still need some clarity? Or will we continue with K-Pop stans trying to play Computer Chair Psychologist?
I thought all the professionals and subject matter experts were on Reddit, but it looks like AKP has some too.
Keep it up, and we'll have a nice armada to combat the lawyers, marketing consultants, business analysts and immigration officers of reddit
You're doing a great job proving you're not triggered sweetie.
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You can say you're not triggered all you want, but your language and energy in this thread took a sharp turn as soon as ISaidISaid said they consider Lisa and NJZ in the same tier of kpop vocals (which is a neutral opinion btw). No one said NJZ has trash vocals or bottom tier or whatever else you mentioned in another comment. But interesting that's where your mind jumped to.
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"It's shitty to mock and attempt to trivialize 5 young girls' claims of being mistreated, marginalized and minimized in their own work environment" =/= "OMG LISA CAN SING WELL ENOUGH. LIKE YOUR FAVS ARE ANY BETTER!!"
Glad I could assist you with this basic logical exercise and simple concept
Let me know if you're still confused.
Yama, you assume I must be a Blink because to you there's no other way I can hold the opinions that I do. That's tribalism in a nutshell.
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False equivalence doesn't look cute on you, sweetie.
I went after icy for essentially celebrating 5 young girls being bullied by a multi billion conglomerate and mocking their fans for being concerned over their mental health and the future of their careers.
People are angry because I asked if Lisa can sing
We are not the same
So it's okay to engage in tribalism when it's a serious enough subject matter - I am taking notes.
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Nobody is remotely offended. I never even mentioned MHDHH; I just find it comical you Blinks and BP sycophants can't even discuss a neutral thread like this without the, yes, degenerate tribalism ramping up and trying to go after someone's "favs" because you think it will obfuscate the original subject matter.
For the record Yama, we all saw you go after Ive unprovoked just because Icy was being annoying lmao. Not saying you weren't right then. But pot meet kettle etc.
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Oh please. Shut up already. Your gimmick is worn out and tired.
Nobody is remotely offended. I never even mentioned MHDHH; I just find it comical you Blinks and BP sycophants can't even discuss a neutral thread like this without the, yes, degenerate tribalism ramping up and trying to go after someone's "favs" because you think it will obfuscate the original subject matter.
It's cool if you think MHDHH suck at singing. People have been making ignorant blanket statements about their vocals for years, and I don't care because I know they're mostly making idiotic noise out of envy and hate.
I only engaged ISaidISaid because of their comical accusations and irrational commentary.
I don't actually care what you think of their vocals. You people couldn't matter less to me. Like some random on AKP will affect how I feel about the girls' talents.
Do NOT confuse my enjoyment of debate for being particularly impassioned about the subject matter. This is why I push back on these laughable projections.
I'm not like any of you
I can type MHDHH are bottom tier embarrassing satirirical imitations of actual vocalists and it doesn't mean anything to me.
Because I'm not insecure like Blinks, the most insecure fandom in K-Pop.
Now I suggest you all stick to the thread. We all know you Blinks like to cry to the staff if I'm too mean towards BP
Wait sorry I'm genuinely asking now: do you think I'm a Blink that's pretending not to be?? (I'm not asking ironically, I'm seriously curious).
What was your definition of tribalism again - when you let your bias cloud your judgment? I'm curious what you think my bias is.
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Since this thread turned into BP vs LSFM vs the artists formerly known as NewJeans, I think it is interesting to discuss why LSFM got so much more criticism for their vocals. The overall vocal skills of all three these groups are around the industry norm. Nothing notable, and I don't think it's clear to say any one of them are particularly far better than the other. Yes, it's obvious by now that Hybe doesn't prioritize in depth vocal training like SM does, but neither does YG, JYP (exceptioning NMIXX), or most other companies. SM is really the standout, and so there's no point in using their groups as a baseline.
However, there is a reason that LSFM, BTS, and some other Hybe groups in particular share the same criticism and it's rooted in the style that Hybe has chosen, which tends to release songs that require vocals with forceful delivery in keys that are way too high for the majority of the members.
BP and NJ don't need standout vocals because their music doesn't require it. Their songs are comfortable for them to sing. (though I will say Jisoo shouldn't be singing the same range as Rose, and is not utilized to her full potential, but that's a whole other conversation). If their songs are more flattering for their voices, they will obviously sound better.
So to circle back to the original prompt, Lisa sings well enough to fill her role in BP. I do agree that as a solo artist, her singing skills (or lack thereof) become more apparent, but at this point it really doesn't matter. She has her fans, and I don't think most of them are pretending she's an amazing singer. The ones that are are obviously delusional, but isn't that 99% of Kpop fans?This is the most logical reply in the thread tbh. And I say this as a BTS fan lmao.
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That's nice. I don't give a **** about your thoughts on MHDHH's vastly superior vocal skills compared to Lisa
Every Mamamoo member could sing circles around these girls while doing handstands, backflips and somersaults.
How odd for people to come after a debut era MooMoo for vocals.
That's it.
I was going to give you Blinks a break.
I'm tripling down now. These have all been my neutral and nice BP threads.
Let's see how you like the others.
No one is arguing that MMM can sing circles around everyone in this thread. But you're not getting offended on MMM's behalf, you're getting offended on NJZ's behalf so what does MMM have to do with it?
Also am I a blink just because I don't agree with your opinion......? Not everything is about who you stan (eg tribalism). Sometimes it is literally...... just our opinion as "neutral" kpop listeners lol.
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I'm lol at this "I just asked an neutral question!" and then saying someone is acting like a victim energy
I don't see how ISaidISaid is engaging in triabalism when they don't stan NJZ or BP or any of their competitors.
For the record, yes Lisa can sing. Yes, NJZ as a whole are better singers than Lisa, but that's beside the point imo. If you make a thread like this and you don't only stan world-class vocalists then expect for others to nitpick at your favs. Most people aren't stanning NJZ for their vocals, and lbr no one is stanning Lisa for her vocals either, so the comparison is fair even if one is better at singing than the other. So why does the question matter?
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I'm not saying they weren't mistreated. You can go back and check no where in my reply did I say the girls were lying.
Also, didn't the original Ador choose to leave? So they chose to leave the girls or were they fired?
I'm just saying, that in order to get out of their contract, what matters is what the court decide.
The adults in their lives did not prepare well enough for this. Period.
It would be great if they won, if they prepared well enough they would have won by now. But this shit is now dragging longer than it should have
I mean, yes, of course the hope is always that the court is able to see where NJ is coming from.
But sometimes you do things because you have to stay true to yourself even if the odds aren't in your favor. And in NJ's case, they made it clear they could not stay under new Ador. And I do not think it's "just" because they wanted to follow MHJ. Bring able to feel "safe" (not just physically, but also mentally and emotionally) surrounded by adults who are literally responsible for your lives is a very powerful motivator.
