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I'll be laughing out loud if you waren't getting on my nerves so much.

A 'character assassination' of an anonymous person because a ceo stated that she wasn't qualified enough for a job ?? Do you hear yourself? What kind of bullcrap!

She just wasn’t good enough for her job. So MHJ reduced her salary and then B decided to leave. Period.

It's not that deep.

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I'm 100% sure all the people that work with Employee B in the industry know who she is, lol, as evidenced by how she said many colleagues have already reached out to her. So yes, her professional reputation does matter. I already know your stance so there's no need to expound further, I only ever reply to you because you ask for more information, which I provide to you.

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Employee B just wasn’t qualified enough for her position and salary. And other executives also agreed about that.

"As a result of these issues, the evaluation of B at the end of the probationary period was not favorable. The company-wide feedback, including input from their colleagues, was below average.

Given the salary equity issues (compared to other employees) and B’s performance, the decision was made that continuing the employment was not feasible.

This judgment was made by the other employees excluding me, with Executive A responsible for giving the final assessment and conclusion."

And again what 'silencing'? The harrassement/sa filed against executive A only came up after B resigned. She didn’t resign because of it. So nobody was 'silenced'.

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This is actually what I mean - their comments directly contradict each other. From Employee B's most recent statement:

"My six-month probationary evaluation involved five people, and apart from Executive A, who only worked with me for a month, all others gave me either “strongly recommend” or “recommend” ratings. Executive A was the only one who gave me the lowest rating, “do not recommend.” Why are you distorting the facts documented in official records?"

This should be extremely easy to prove or disprove with company records so there's no point in speculation, we should just wait for the results.

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Moreover wanting to put that blame on someone who had nothing to do with it and who was just a third party IS highly questionalble and wrong.

Everybody is anonymous in that affair, it's only ever MHJ who is put under everyone public scrutiny and questioning! It's only her who is risking her carrier!

Hybe rh team was the one who handled the issue so she better complain to them and about them and leave MHJ alone. Period.

Her first statement mentioned Hybe, Executive A, and MHJ. Of course it's unfair that MHJ was getting the brunt of the criticism, even more so than Executive A as the main perpetrator, but I also think the condescending way MHJ handled it publicly afterward didn't help the situation. If MHJ had responded differently I actually would agree with you that Employee B should largely direct her legal complaints to Hybe since they are the parent company with HR responsibilities. But I really don't understand why accusing Employee B of incompetency, her salary, her demotion/salary reduction, etc, is all necessary.... it feels like character assassination that is irrelevant to the harassment suit. Either Executive A did something wrong or he didn't.

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Unlike you, I don't virtue signal.

I actually think you love virtue signaling, especially when preaching to others but that's a different conversation, lol. This case is ongoing, so I'm sure we're only skimming the tip of the iceberg in terms of continued statements.

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I care about her being a liar and company pawn though

This is the kind of language that is really gross when directed at someone filing a workplace harassment suit when it's not yet clear what's the complete truth or outcome. I remember you asking people to have humanity for MHJ when she was going through similar against Hybe in the beginning. I guess only she gets that privilege. For the record, I haven't even made a single allegation against MHJ regarding this SA case; all I said was that it's unfortunate to call an alleged victim a liar when the situation is still ongoing.

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Anybody can be wrong or do wrong man and women. What kinda nonsense are you talking about? Lol.

Of course anyone can be a victim and anyone can be a perpetrator. But I feel especially icky calling a woman calling out a man for sexual harassment in a workplace a liar unless there's proof that the allegation is false. And I especially wouldn't call someone a liar for the sole purpose of defending an executive.

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To silence her for what? MHJ is the one who gave her a high ranking high salary position. A position which to her standarts she failed to live up to after the 6 month trial. Period.

Silence a disgruntled employee who filed a harassment suit and who she wanted to leave the company? Cutting someone's salary by 40% is essentially telling them to go. A lot of what they're saying in each other statements should be pretty easy to prove with documentation so all we need to do is wait for the suit to conclude. Tbh Employee B's initial call out singled out Executive A, Hybe, and MHJ - I don't know why only MHJ responded publicly, or why Executive A would apologize if what MHJ said is true.

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You're here to damage control for anything that paints HYBE in a negative light, which is funny because nobody is working harder to paint HYBE in a negative light than HYBE.

Continue to virtue signal over the SA case that never was, while falling on the proverbial sword to defend a conglomerate that would weaponize footage of minors without their consent and leak their medical history.

It's a great look.

If Employee B chose to file a lawsuit against Hybe as well, it wouldn't change a single opinion of mine. Your obsession with Hybe is leading you to the wrong assumption that other people see only in black and white like you. I won't ever call another woman a liar on behalf of a CEO, that's for sure.

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More like you keep ignoring the blatant misinformation and lying done by the Employee. Is there a reason you've now responded to me 3-4 times without addressing the elephant in the room that is the fact the main argument for her accusation of being harassed was being "forced" to have drinks with a client, when it has been revealed to be her client and the client was the one who chose the restaurant, not to mention she herself ordered more drinks?

That's Strike One.

You have also continued to duck the very relevant detail that she knows far too much about conversations between HYBE and MHJ she had zero involvement in. Wonder why that is?

I'm not getting into the weeds of everything else. She's already proven herself to be a liar and is weaponizing details given to her by HYBE for the purpose of defaming MHJ.

No, I won't believe anything else she says. And I'm going to stop caring about this case right about...

Now.

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I'm not here to litigate a victim's every statement, just like I'm also not interested in litigating every statement by MHJ. My point is I'm not going to blanket-call a woman a liar and dismiss all of her allegations just because her boss says so. Your answer says enough - MHJ never lies by your standard, therefore everything she says must be true, and everything this other woman says must be false.

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didn’t the police said it was an electric scooter?

it's an electric scooter by technical classification - scooters are motorized devices with max speed exceeding 25 kph and weighing more than 25 kg.

Suga's e-scooter weighs less than 25 kg but has max speed possible of 30 kph (even if he was riding below that speed), hence it's classified as a scooter and not personal mobility device. So it's not really about what it looks like but just by specs.

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MHJ said otherwise:

"The investigation and resolution of the incident were handled solely by HYBE HR. Due to guidelines aimed at protecting the reporter, I was not allowed to directly question B about the related matters until the investigation was concluded.

I was not involved in the investigation, and I was simply notified of the results.

What possible attempts could have been made? Who is B speaking to about such bizarre ideas to be attacking me like this—a third party who was not involved in the case?”

https://m.sports.khan.co.kr/vi…08132101033&sec_id=540101

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It does sound like Hybe initially failed Employee B as well, and (correct me if I'm wrong) she also threatened legal action against Hybe at some point along with MHJ. It's also very possible that Hybe is willing to cooperate so she'll drop the lawsuit against them if she feels the most wronged by Executive A and MHJ. Right now I don't know what's truth or distortion but like Daisy said earlier, accusing an employee of bad performance after an HR report is an incredibly common tactic to silence women in the workplace.

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Fool me once? Shame on me. Fool me twice? Sorry, that's not going to happen. I could overlook maybe one of these elements, but the combination of the two, not to mention the timing of her instagram post, paint a pretty clear picture of what's happening here.

You say this, but then ignore that there is so much conflicting information that it's impossible right now to know who's telling the truth. MHJ said Employee B failed in almost all aspects of her job, supposedly with documentation. Employee B responded that out of the 5 people who reviewed her probationary evaluation, she received "Strongly Recommend" or "Recommend" from all of them except Executive A, the main perpetrator. That should be very easy to prove or disprove. So if MHJ fools you once here, you won't believe anything else she says?

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HYBE's "help" is giving her ammunition to take down MHJ, which is all they care about. Their priority is not giving her "justice" or their shady asses wouldn't have dismissed the case to begin with. HR was under their jurisdiction.

Give me a logical, feasible reason for why the "victim" should have access to private exchanges between MHJ and HYBE? What does that have to do with this situation at all.

I don't want to speak on behalf of the victim but it sounds like she tried to go to MHJ first, was dismissed, and then went to Hybe - probably because what other avenue is there for her to go? I'm not disagreeing that of course Hybe has an ulterior motive in this case. But reading some of the previous comments here, saying Employee B is obviously lying, totally incompetent, a disgrace for working women anywhere, is extremely disheartening. It's always better to wait until the end of a case before denigrating someone's reputation. I had sympathy for MHJ when that was happening to her, and I have sympathy for this employee. That's "consistent ethics".

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You don't find it problematic that the organization leading a public campaign to oust MHJ is utilizing a harassment case they dismissed to throw more darts at her, and giving private information to this "victim" as a means to further harm MHJ's reputation?

You did not answer my question by the way. And if this wasn't just another blatant attempt by HYBE to get some kind of W in the court of public opinion, maybe I'd have more sympathy for the victim, who is privy to information she only could've received directly from HYBE to attack MHJ with.

Yes, that invalidates the entire premise of her accusations for me. She is clearly affiliated with one side of this dispute.

TLDR; because Hybe may be helping Employee B, you don't take her allegations seriously. You're very black or white when it comes to Hybe and MHJ, so it's not surprising.

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So why does the employee have access to conversations and details that were only exchanged between MHJ and HYBE? Can anyone provide a logical explanation for that little factoid that doesn't lead you on a breadcrumb trail straight to HYBE's doorstep?

So, because Hybe may be helping Employee B with her claim, that makes all her allegations false? Should Employee B be asking MHJ for help instead? There's still a lot of facts in this case that aren't clear to me, but some of the language used against Employee B leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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do you expect her to deny employee B's claims with only: "These claims are not true", while providing zero receipts

surely not...

the hybe bootlickers would be drowning this thread with their filth if she denied the claim with no receipt

Does that make leaking your ex-employee's private employment details acceptable? If Hybe is getting (rightfully) slammed for invading MHJ's privacy by releasing her texts and contract details, then hold MHJ to the same standard as a CEO.

I need to see JTBC lashed until they properly learn their lesson. I didn't realize the original false report was by News Room, their premier news segment. No better than a tabloid at this rate.

New CCTV exposes a week of misinformation spread by the media on Suga's scandal

Article: CCTV misreport on Suga's drunk driving by' News Room'... took a week for them to private the video

Source: Newsen via Nate

[+135, -20] He got a lot more hate because of that CCTV, Suga-ya, go sue JTBC

[+109, -6] Wow, Hybe needs to sue that broadcast channel... that CCTV totally showed a scooter with big wheels at high speed, which made him get a ton of hate... only for it to be someone else all along??????

[+87, -3] Hasn't JTBC always prided themselves on fact checking, cross checking, etc? But they put that out without even checking? I don't think this is something a simple apology can fix...

[+76, -4] Not only should they take the video down but they should apologize properly too, how terrible of them

[+70, -2] So that's it? They get off scot free just by taking the video down?

[+22, -0] I am not defending his decision to drink and drive, but broadcast channels should be held responsible for things like this. You can't deny that he got a ton more than necessary because of this CCTV.

[+21, -0] They put it out as an "exclusive" report without even checking... he got so much hate for this!!!

[+19, -1] JTBC: ??? Nevermind then

[+19, -1] I remember seeing someone X say it's not Suga, I guess they were right

[+13, -1] JTBC is such a terrible channel

Article: 'Drunk Driving' BTS Suga, whereabouts confirmed... drinking -> studio -> home before falling over

Source: Donga Ilbo via Nate

[+267, -174] That basically looks like a kickboard with a seat attached, I would hardly call that a motorcycle. I've seen tons of those on sidewalks. I think it's possible that someone could've been ignorant about the laws regarding this.

[+176, -79] These electric scooters have barely been out, so I can see why someone could get confused with the laws surrounding them since they're not really a motorcycle or a bicycle. It's plausible that he really didn't know you couldn't operate one after drinking. Think about it, when did you see this ever being driven down a road? It's usually on sidewalks.

[+168, -75] Isn't the bigger issue here that he drove it down a sidewalk...?

- [+85, -9] Yeah, and articles have also been saying he was passed out on the street, but that's not even the case

- [+82, -28] I see tons of these on sidewalks... that is no scooter, that's a kickboard

- [+79, -3] I can see him being confused. It looks like a bike. Probably felt safe enough to drink and drive it down a sidewalk. Why would anyone ever take that thing down a road? It's 1/3 the size of an adult.

[+77, -24] I still don't get why you'd make so much money just to not spend it on a cab....

[+46, -6] Thought it was a scooter??? That's no scooter... and apparently that other CCTV of him speeding isn't even him?...

[+44, -11] Yeah, that totally looks like an electric kickboard. It may legally be considered a scooter but it doesn't look like one at all, which is probably why Suga wrote that it was a kickboard in his letter. Poor guy.

[+44, -10] I don't really know much about these things but to the eye, it looks way too small to be called even a scooter. No one would think of it as one.

[+42, -10] Not a Suga fan but people need to back off. None of you were hurt by his actions.

[+40, -6] That's barely 1/3 the size of an adult body, all the people who called it a motorcycle should come out now

[+37, -2] So all those articles saying he bumped into something were lying... he didn't hit anything, just fell over on his own in front of his place ㅋㅋㅋ the media was totally blowing it up and making up stories to get him more hate, wow... yeah, drinking and driving is bad, but so is spreading fake news

[+34, -1] So he just fell over, but the media was running around like he was 'plastered' and totally 'out of it'... he was even sober enough to greet everyone properly after falling over...

[+31, -1] Wow, all this hate over CCTV that ended up being fake... he's been getting hate all weekend long over that CCTV for "lying" about this and that ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ I'm getting goosebumps... Hybe, what're you doing? Why aren't you suing JTBC?

[+28, -3] That kickboard looks barely the size of a toy, why would anyone expect him to drive it down a road?????????? He totally had every right to drive that down a sidewalk

[+27, -1] Yeah, it really does look like a child's toy ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ JTBC and Yonhap News must be out to exile him or something... spreading fake news without even fact checking???? Just why?

[+26, -1] All those articles that claimed Suga was lying without any proof... the media really needs to reflect on this one. We can't keep letting them get away with "oh, oops" every time they get caught spreading fake news.

[+25, -1] Come on, where's that article yesterday that claimed he hit something and fell...

[+24, -0] Raise your hand here if you know the actual laws surrounding kickboards and scooters! Because if I had something like this, I'd drive it down a sidewalk too! Why would anyone drive this down a road? How many lives do you think we have???

[+22, -1] No, yeah, that totally looks like a kickboard... what was that last CCTV, then;;

[+20, -0] This new CCTV saved Suga's life. He wasn't lying, it really was a kickboard. Someone needs to arrest whoever uploaded that first CCTV as being him.

[+17, -1] Wow... the whole week, the media was going nonstop as if he was totally drunken and speeding down with a motorcycle... but the actual facts of the case are quite... pathetic?? ㅋㅋ No one would look at that and call it a scooter... if anything, it looks like a child's toy.. and he was apparently "plastered" but look at him get right back up after falling?

Another sold out stadium show for IU

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Isn't IU even more successful as an acting star in Korea than as a K-pop star?

I think IU is still more famous as a singer (and pulls more revenue from her singing career) but she also has a top tier acting resume, and there's still a lot for her to grow and achieve as an actress. It's very possible in the future she will start pulling back from music more to focus on acting (which she's already started doing post-2021).

Seeing the way some of the people talk about Employee B (including people here), I feel bad for her. Of course we can't discount the possibility of ulterior motives or that it's a false allegation. But the level of condescension that MHJ has spoken about her, now leading people to paint her as completely incompetent of her job, undeserving of her job title and salary, and as only a spiteful ex-employee is unfortunate. I felt bad for MHJ when Hybe did it to her, and I feel bad now that it's happening to this employee. Even if MHJ feels wronged herself, she's still the CEO - is it ok to reveal this much intimate detail about your employees?

New statement of lawsuit from Employee B:

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Hello. This is B, a former employee of ADOR, genuinely outraged by CEO Min Hee-jin's continued false claims and the defamatory statements filled with new defamations in her latest statement, which constitutes ongoing Nth degree harm.

As expected, instead of addressing the violation of neutrality as a CEO, the verbal abuse, and the deceit I mentioned, she selectively explains away the issue by focusing on my alleged low performance and salary reduction, attempting to cover up and deflect from the essence of the incident. This was entirely predictable. I demand that CEO Min accurately clarify, correct, and apologize for the three key points I listed at the end of my message. I will start by firmly pointing out the low and false claim that I was a low performer and the deflection tactics.

1. Regarding the claim that the case was closed with a finding of no wrongdoing and that you were not biased

Min Hee-jin: “(After the investigation was concluded with no charges, and when B was in the process of leaving) I was startled when I received a call from B, but I wanted to hear B’s side of the story. Since the case was closed, from my perspective, it was something I didn’t have to do.”

CEO Min Hee-jin, what do you mean by "something I didn’t have to do"? The responsibility for investigating and handling incidents of workplace harassment and sexual harassment falls on you, the CEO of ADOR, where I was employed. While the investigation process could be outsourced to HYBE's HR, you are ultimately the one who is legally and procedurally responsible for the final disciplinary actions concerning ADOR employees.

Therefore, as the CEO, it is your legal responsibility to maintain neutrality and mediation from the start. This is exactly what you are supposed to do as a highly paid CEO. Furthermore, please explain the effort you made to ensure that Executive A would be found not guilty and the biased actions you took as the final decision-maker, even refusing to issue a simple warning to the perpetrator. Why do you continue to pretend not to know about this and lie? Based on the Labor Standards Act, I will respond legally to the inappropriate handling of the workplace harassment report.

2.Claiming that my report was a retaliatory false report

What false information was in my report?

CEO Min Hee-jin, please stop spreading false information and deflecting from the issue.

I reported seven cases of workplace harassment and one case of sexual harassment, all with sufficient evidence. Specifically, regarding the most controversial sexual harassment report, Executive A already admitted his wrongdoing and apologized to you in your KakaoTalk chat. There was no falsehood in my report. I have already submitted 11 additional reports and evidence in response to HYBE’s announcement of a re-investigation. I will also seek assistance from external agencies for this investigation. For your reference, I am attaching the full text of my report below to clarify any confusion.

3.Public disclosure of my salary and 40% pay cut ("salary sale")

Min Hee-jin: “The high salary given to B was decided by me, a fellow woman.” “40% pay cut.”

Publicly disclosing an employee’s salary, arbitrarily reducing it by 40%, and disclosing the reasons for it without my consent are all illegal actions. Although I was not surprised by any of the content in CEO Min Hee-jin’s statement, as it was entirely predictable, her behavior of carelessly discussing my salary, the unilateral pay cut, and the reasons for it in public, even revealing the numbers, is not only legally wrong but also so rude and arrogant that I am at a loss for words.Throughout my life, I have always given my best at every place I’ve worked, and I have received high evaluations from every company I’ve worked for. Three years ago, even without incentives, I was earning more than the salary I received at ADOR, and I’ve received job offers from other companies at the same salary level. Regarding the pay cut, arbitrarily reducing an employee’s salary without due disciplinary procedures and prior notice is illegal. Even when pay cuts are made following disciplinary action, there are legal limits. A 40% reduction, nearly half of my salary, is essentially a forced resignation.

4. Performance evaluation and assessment at the end of the probationary period

Min Hee-jin: “Due to these issues, B’s evaluation at the end of the probationary period was not good… The decision-makers concluded that it would be difficult to continue her employment.”

My six-month probationary evaluation involved five people, and apart from Executive A, who only worked with me for a month, all others gave me either “strongly recommend” or “recommend” ratings. Executive A was the only one who gave me the lowest rating, “do not recommend.” Why are you distorting the facts documented in official records?

Meanwhile, CEO Min Hee-jin mostly worked from home and rarely came to the office. As someone who was directly reporting to her, I only saw her face a handful of times during the entire period, mainly during brief external meetings. How can a CEO who is disconnected from the office atmosphere and does not show up at the workplace fairly and diligently assess the individual work capabilities of her employees? It’s impossible.

If I was truly “horrible at my job,” would so many people who worked with me reach out to express their empathy and support? Even clients who worked with ADOR have sent me messages of support for standing up to CEO Min Hee-jin.

You described me as some sort of business leader, but when was I ever given leadership authority? I was just a staff member without even a single team member under me. I was reprimanded with hours of abusive language for setting up a lunch meeting with an important client that ADOR needed to secure, being told, “Where did you learn such behavior?” The leader of ADOR’s business team was actually a vice president holding a concurrent position, not me.

I find it laughable that the CEO criticizes my work performance by pointing out minor errors and unfamiliarity with tasks. Is it justifiable to reduce my salary by 40% and expect me to endure harassment just because I sought assistance and collaboration from colleagues to do a better job on advertising tasks that were suddenly assigned to me?

The core issue here is not about whether I was good or bad at my job, how much I earned, or even what misconduct Executive A committed. The essence of this matter is CEO Min Hee-jin’s cover-up of workplace harassment, lies and manipulation to deceive the public, unauthorized disclosure of private conversations, and defamation through selective editing.

Whether I was good or bad at my job, how much I earned, or even what misconduct Executive A committed are all beside the point. If Executive A disputes my report, does that instantly make my report a baseless and false claim not worth investigating? Is it acceptable for the world to believe that I am a crazy person who filed false reports out of spite, even if it completely destroys my reputation?

All I wanted was a correction of the lies and a public apology. I didn’t ask you to turn yourself in to the police, step down as CEO, or give me money. Yet, you couldn’t even offer a simple apology—the one easy word that would have meant the world to a powerless employee like me who has been wronged. Instead, you went as far as revealing my KakaoTalk messages, falsely accusing me of low performance, and disclosing my salary reduction—something no employee would ever agree to voluntarily. I look forward to seeing you in court and at the Labor Office. I hope you make good on your threats to accuse me of false reporting and ruin me.

And if you have any sense of shame, please refrain from taking the stage as a speaker for public lectures.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/C-…j_/?igsh=djA3bDdmaHpzaHky - IDK if I can link it directly but the trans is pulled from reddit

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The media is really angry at him.

These are the same kind of reporters that get pissed if idols don't greet them with a smile as soon as they get off a red eye flight at the airport. The power tripping is always so severe, especially when they rarely expect the same from actors or other celebrities.

Now that JTBC's been exposed tho and the damage is done, prepare for Armies to be 10x more wrathful and enraged A lot of them were already convinced this was a media conspiracy from the beginning, so the latest updates are just going to whip them further into a frenzy.