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Because many people liked the song teaser and the choreo was a hit already on tiktok with just the chorus part being released 2 days prior to their debut so many people are tuning in because they like what they heard from the medley of the album and got hyped on tiktok.

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Just check on the comments on their highlight medley and you'll understand that many people were actually tuning in for their debut plus Hybe stans of course that will support all groups from Hybe.

You don't understand, at the premiere of the video they had just over 60k viewers, BabyMonster had 400k viewers at the premiere. Where did such interest suddenly come from if it wasn’t there at the debut? When no-names in the first 24 hours have 3 million streams of an album and a track with 1.5 million streams setting a record, it’s worth asking questions and not making excuses with TikTok or other nonsense.

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Obviously when you listened to kpop songs you will get recos that are currently hot kpop songs... when it was ILLIT's first day no one was complaining about this but once it started to rank #14 on global spotify it was almost recommended to every listeners who ...

There is only one thing, but before all these indicators in the charts, few people knew about illit, and the show r u next was not so popular, and there were about 60 thousand viewers on the stream of their debut premiere. The question is, how did they get such a record amount of bonus and record streaming on Spotify in the first 24 hours? The main mystery is how, having nothing, they were able to show such results on the first day.

I’ve already published this, but here’s a playlist from the band’s official account, it seems like nothing, but such playlists are created only for mass streaming of songs, like fandom playlists on Spotify.

It's very strange that a company would do something like this. One could understand 2-3 repetitions, but there the track is repeated 12 times.

I can only add that it’s very strange that only Hybe groups succeed on Spotify, no matter how old the group is or whether they have a fandom, they consistently gain hundreds of millions of streams. although given the connection between Scooter Braun and Spotify this is not even surprising, the question is that many top celebrities left him, and Hybe despite this made him the main American branch.

It was very bad in fact, justifying them with “these are children, the first encore, nerves” is simply stupid, these idols went through the show for survival, they have experience, not only of live performance, but also of performing on stage. If they don't show it, what was the point of this show anyway?

I'm trying to figure out the number of subscribers of the most trending group in Korea at the moment.

Quote from randkpopstan

Honestly the kpop industry is looking more and more sad each day.

Today awards and charts are simply devalued; The more popular a track is, the more likely it is to be mediocre. Now even victories are not perceived as something significant, but just another reason for fans to start arguments with others against the backdrop of their own pride.

Seriously? Tzuyu is the most popular member not only in Twice, but also in the K-pop industry. She has always been in the tops and remains in them for her facial beauty, bonus she has unreal charisma, in "seventeen" she was accepted into Twice because of the audience vote. Kazuha only became popular after her beautiful body video, before that her popularity was not so high. Comparing Tzuyu and Kazuha is wrong.

I would compare Wonyoung and Tzuyu, these are just those idols who are very popular due to their appearance.

Another payola group that is promoted through playlists. Then they will promote through artists such as IU, BTS, YOASABI, etc. Another dummy group that they are trying to promote with money, there is nothing to be surprised about here.
The company tested the scheme with NJ, it worked, they used it on illit, next year they will debut a new group to replace LSF and it will break NJ and illit's debut records.

By the way, I'm starting to guess Hybe's plan for new groups. Most likely he wants to have an "army" on the scale of the multi-fandom of his groups. You are so handsome and young, you listen to and support NJ, LSF, Illit and of course you buy each of their albums, merchandise, concert tickets, spending 3 times more money. With the "army" spending a lot of money to support the group, Hybe wants a similar strategy to be extended to all groups. That is why there is maximum similarity between them and the absence of a strong fandom of only one group.

NewJeans are superfluous there, I don’t even understand by what criterion the albums were selected. It’s most logical to assume that from 2010-2020, but for some reason they added 2023 just to add NJ. And why is there no Red Velvet - Perfect Velvet or, for example, Twice - Fancy you, given the fact that there is an f(x) album? It would be nice to know the names of these experts

ITZY definitely, they debuted during the heyday of BTS, Twice, BP, EXO and others, then the competition was much tougher and to show such a result was something outstanding.

This is partly true, but it seems to me that the main factor is the lack of a strong fandom among the artists. BTS, BlackPink, Twice, Seventeen and others have been growing their fandoms for many years, thanks to which they have a very strong fan base capable of filling huge stadiums and spending years on tours. The problem with modern groups is that they do not have a fandom scale; in voting they are usually much inferior to 3rd generation groups against the backdrop of such phenomenal success on the charts. And now, in terms of the number of groups, today you support Le Sseafim, which is trendy, tomorrow the debut of NewJeans and now this is your ultimate group, and interest in Le Sserafim drops, then the debut of Illit and you no longer know who to actively support. I think this is the main problem that Hybe is simply not trying to create a strong fandom like BTS, he wants trendy music for the mass listener.

Quote from Wateris

?? All I'm saying is Ador doesn't needs to pay a penny for this collab with YT unlike normal ads. It was wildly advertised as partnership with YT too when they dropped Super Shy.

I didn't know Easy has YT collab, it should say YouTube Shots for example.

I feel sorry for you if you believe this. But ADOR needs advertising from big brands, Apple seemed like an ordinary collaboration, but they even tried to advertise it at a music show by exhibiting it as part of the performance, for which they almost paid. Youtube, in general, under the guise of cooperation, wrote in all the cracks of their comeback, for which they most likely paid well. Now YOASABI paid money to come to the fan meeting in order to sell out all the tickets. If you haven’t noticed, NJ spend 90% of their time advertising some brand; even in their next comeback, 2 out of 4 tracks will be advertising.

Quote from K-PL

If BM get into Spotify Global 200, then its

NJ > ILLIT > Lsf > Aespa > BM

globally. Other groups do not chart.

Global is where all the revenue is. This is the best indicator of global popularity and who can do big worldwide stadium tours in a couple of years.

Korea is insignificant, at only ~2-3% of revenue for the top groups. But they will most probably chart pretty well after they promote, say 2 weeks from now. Its peanuts to get 100k ULs to get into the top 20.

YouTube no one cares about, even the ad free numbers, because anyone can bot it for free.

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Twice rarely appears on Global Spotify, and in general they are doing average on Spotify, but this does not stop them from collecting stadiums of 50-60k spectators in the USA and other countries of the world. Does the Global Spotify indicator really affect anything?

Quote from Wateris

Super Shy was partnership with YT like Apple for ETA iirc. Did you not follow NJs Get Up promo at all?

Ador don't need to buy ads for Super Shy since this is an official collaboration with YT.

Yeah, of course, the same partner as Easy from Le Sserafim. This is promotion by any platforms; YouTube actively advertised NewJeans; this is what the collaboration is all about.

Quote from Slayurfaves

what do you think is the difference between baemon vs illit performance wise? why do you think baemon is failing to achieve what they achieved? I wasn't expecting much for baemon if I'm honest but technically baemon have a relatively bigger fandom and more hype?

It is too early to judge who has achieved some success and who has not. Only after some time will it be possible to draw any conclusions based on all the details.

Quote from Wateris

Yeah, I sometimes wonder too.

The most dominated 4th gen girl group NJ on YT has almost 250m-300m audio streams for their debut tracks, but weirdly I don't see bunnies ever put YT as their playground when it should be. They don't use ads either.

Like look at Hype Boy numbers alone

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What is this then? They actively use YouTube support for promotion.

Quote from music-fan

What is the important metric for you guys? Spotify, YouTube or Sales.

For Baemon they have a huge YouTube stream number but the other 2 are mediocre right now.

In truth, none, large companies are great at manipulating this, so you need to pay attention to the little things. The number of subscribers, the number of views of fancams, comments, the number of playlists, etc., everything that companies will not manipulate and that gives them away. If a group is really popular, then there will be a lot of talk and commentary about it, its videos will be discussed, etc.

Quote from Fansamy

Cheaper? They're both free or do you mean something else?

Spotify has a huge market globally. I am aware it doesn't have a huge market in every single country. In many countries though, most people are streaming with Spotify. Especially most regular people in their 20s, 30s and beyond don't go out of their ways to watch MVs, except for Kpop stans (and maybe some hardcore stans of Taylor or Ariana, but that's about it). While working or doing other stuff, they put on some playlist and will be listening to that, not youtube.

I was actually an outlier in that I used Youtube a lot more than other people, who thought it was strange I used it for music at all.

Well, okay, Spotify may be more popular in your country, but in other countries it may be the other way around. To say that he is generally popular is kind of stupid. Why should I use Spotify when YouTube gives me more options, besides listening to music, I can watch clips, engage in conversation with other users or even stream it to any device. In Korea, Spotify is not a popular service at all, and YouTube has more influence, the funny thing is that the top 10 on Spotify belongs to Hybe, is it a coincidence?