Posts by Karl-III

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To begin with, the clip is already 1 year old, and the figure of 32 million is not something specific for 1 year, even without advertising they could have filled up such streaming, but for example, I take their latest release and there are only 11 million views, if they are in the first Since you think they streamed it, why didn’t they do it again? For such a group, any popularity will be an advantage.

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To be fair, when it comes to music it seems to have lost a lot of ground to Spotify worldwide. I used YT as my only platform to stream music before as well. Now I just check out the occassional MV but everything else music related I do on Spotify. Also see a shift where even bragging rights for fandoms went from just YT to both to now mostly Spotify

It actually seems so to you, simply because Spotify is cheaper, but I can say that each country has its own internal platform. in the same Korea, Melon, YouTube Music, which are even taken into account for PAK status, Spotify has a very insignificant market. You will be very surprised that in the USA the top 1 daily streams account for 3-4 million streams of a track, while in most others this figure ranges from 10-200k, significantly losing to domestic music platforms. But the problem is that video hosting is difficult to compete with YouTube, which is also a music platform.

Quote from Icaro_Ribeiro

It's the easiest one to manipulate streams when even nugu level korean companies with barely any income are able to buy dozens of millions of views to their groups

Show me at least one example of this, and then re-read what I wrote. If you don’t know how to use the platform’s information, that’s your problem. I can say that it’s much easier to manipulate Spotify, even for ordinary users who create playlists for streaming tracks.

Quote from Icaro_Ribeiro

If it's not a serious platform, why should we take it seriously?

Because it's one of the leading platforms in the world, where it's kind of difficult to manipulate streams. Let me remind you that in Spotify, 1 user can stream a track 20 times, which is why very often artists in the USA create bots to boost streams based on this fact. Based on this information, we can say with confidence that only the Apple Music/iTunes charts, which more or less follow this, can be considered a reliable indicator

Quote from hruaiic

If you believe that views are accurate and represent the no. of people listening to you, there's nothing I can say.

Not taking one of the most popular platforms in the world seriously? If you are not able to analyze YT indicators, then this is entirely your problem. Of course, it’s difficult to draw any conclusions based on views alone; you need to take into account all the indicators: the number of likes, the number of comments, the number of subscribers, views of various types of content, and based on this, create an overall picture. But the fact is that YouTube shows a real picture of the popularity of certain artists, I heard the artist’s track in a playlist, I liked it, I went to the YT page to get to know their work more deeply, if I liked them I subscribed, if not date, I won’t even support them, I’m not interested in them. But nevertheless, the generated playlist will still push their music, giving +1 to listening.

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I can't believe there are still people who still take Youtube seriously. Sure, it's good to have great yt views. Many kpop groups have more views and do better on yt than several popular western artists. Does that mean those groups are more popular? No.

One of the most popular platforms in the world with 2.5 billion users worldwide, that's about 1/3 of the planet's population. The second platform in Korea for video and music streaming. Not worth taking seriously at all.

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= more listeners.

Payola = more listeners. I look at NJ's popularity on the charts and they need Yoasabi for their fan meeting to fill the Tokyo Dome. They need big names to promote, like IU who promoted NJ and LSF at her concert.

Quote from YamaChwan

better than Hybe

Nobody manipulates the charts as well as Hybe, we can only agree with that. Here is an example of how TWS has good album sales, has been charting in the top of Melon for a month, and there are fewer subscribers to their groups than expected. And this group is now in second place on this chart.

The unpleasant fact is that illit, even using a bot farm, cannot beat the BM release on YouTube.

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ILLIT easily. Babymonster sucks.

Karl-III and your saying Babymonter isn't a Blackpink clone.. LMAO.

Why BlackPink and not 2ne1? Well, they use the YG concept, not BlackPink

I forgot to add that suddenly the girls from illit became popular after the release, but before the release during the show, no one was interested in them and no one cared about them. It’s not even about the format of the show, but simply about the personalities themselves who, lacking charisma, could not captivate the viewer to watch this show. The situation has not changed.

IIllit is a generic Newjeans clone, without any unique personality. Even their album is an ordinary carbon copy of the NJ - Get Up album, where there was a similar concept with drawings drawn in a notebook using pencils. Well, of course, this outfit and the style of the track are an absolute copy, I can’t even single out any of the girls, they are still boring and uninteresting, without any standout feature. Babymonster became the heirs of BlackPink, but they have talent first and personality second. The member's performance was impressive, and from the background of the group, I can clearly tell that each member has her own charm. Definitely I choose BabyMonster, simply because illit is a mediocre group that makes it out of two things: money and NewJeans

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To begin with, it’s worth asking yourself, are they really popular? The streaming indicator at the present time is not an indicator of popularity at all, even Western artists buy increase in numbers using farms, or promotion with playlists. the same Spotify creates individual playlists and has priority tracks that will be in the top ten tracks. Should album sales be taken into account as a measure of popularity? This is also a controversial issue, some fans are able to buy not just 1 version of albums, but 4-10 versions, but on average these are 4 versions of albums and any sales indicator can easily be divided by 4. The question remains open, is this really the popularity of the group, or is the popularity inflated? fans and company. One of the reliable indicators of popularity can be considered world tours and concerts, which really show the involvement of people in listening to a given group.

Absolutely not, the problem with Baddie is that IVE has no rappers, so the track sounds bland and uninteresting, but if BM performed Baddie it would probably be SOTY

The 5th generation is the beginning of the end of the K-pop industry, this is of no interest to anyone, especially the Western world, which everyone is trying to focus on. Well, what does streaming on platforms give? LSF recently had a tour, but in the US they couldn't even fill venues for 10,000 people, and this is a group with such loud headlines as "1 billion album streams, hit the top of the Billboard charts, top 1 group on TikTok." K-pop 4th generation is only popular during fashion week and on music platforms, but they are not even capable of holding the same tour as BP, Twice, BTS, SKZ and others.

Quote from Nevaeh14

views for MV started tanking and never recovered

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Youtube isn't a music platform.

This is why last year IVE, G-idle and others had more than 200 million views/streams music, because the popularity of YT has fallen, do you believe it yourself? By the way, NJ, LSF happily cooperate with YT, even making individual Shorts for them with YT tags, and in Korea, YT has a second platform, Spotify is not significant at all. But as I already said, if there are bot farms on one platform, then they are on another, and given that Scooter Braun is an investor in Spotify, it is possible that the platform turns a blind eye to this.

Quote from K-PL

We look at Spotify now

Of course, no one cares about YouTube, because suddenly that’s where the band was caught cheating on streaming. By the way, YouTube has 4-5 times more active users in the world than Spotify.

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What uninformed stans of groups that cannot chart cry about is playlisting

What is important is not the scope of the playlist, but its position in it. Compare the frequency of listening to, for example, tracks in the first 10 and for example after the 20th position, I am 1000% sure that tracks from the first 10 are listened to more often than in positions 20-30. Secondly, if they use a bot farm on YTM, then what prevents them from using it on other platforms, Western labels have been caught doing this more than once, so why is Hybe worse? The company will not increase streaming only on YT, they will cover all platforms, that’s the only thing that makes sense

Hybe buys success, people just don't pay attention to it and don't care because they love BTS. When others did this, everyone criticized any signs of cheating, but when Hybe wants it, everyone suddenly considers it an organic success. Therefore, companies have stopped hiding even their promotion activities by bot farms; here is one example - the official playlist on the YouTube Music site, which was created not to introduce the group, but to increase streaming through the playlist. This is an official account, not a fan account, they don't even hide it, but people will continue to believe in honesty