Posts by MakotoNijima

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Digital charts prove to business the popularity of the girls and that wins them more CF opportunities, which is the most profitable way for GGs to make money.

I don't think on an average male idols get as much endorsement options.

So digitals do matter, though not directly.

Physicals is direct fan spending. BGs tend to dominate there.

Of course, these are averages, there are always exceptions to the average trend.

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Yeah CFs are a better way to get money than digitals, I know they kinda depend on it but I feel like CFs are more benefitial to certain members that get popular because of their looks, personality, or a viral moment than to the whole group most of the time.

Of course, not all groups are the same, there are ggs like Oh My Girl (until recently) or Brave Girls whose success heavily depends on digitals and getting CFs a lot more than for ggs on the Big 4.

I also have to say that you can get good CFs without charting that good though, like Mijoo (ex Lovelyz) or Loona's Chuu, but you need luck, looks, variety talent, etc.

Girlgroups are starting to sell physicals a lot too anyways though, which is good. It indicates more touring power which is something most ggs were not that good at before.

Quote from Lulu_Key

I do think the ggs are extremely successful but they are always at risk of their casual fans flocking into the next new thing.

50/50. I think the charting and streams of a lot of new ggs is very good. But people overrate the importance of these digital charts when the gp isn't the one that's going to pay the bills to the girls, and time has proven that.

I think it's valid to say girlgroups lately are more popular and get more attention than boygroups, the problem is when people mistake popularity as success. But that's a whole different convo.

Quote from Vivi1388

idk why people count svt random members version as separate version. no one really bulk buy random versions .You cant choose unlike with digipack .

The fact that you can't choose it is what makes it worse. Collectors will buy even more because they don't know which ones they are exactly getting.

Quote from dontwannacry04

Don’t know where this chart is from, but it’s incorrect.

You can find other fandoms correcting it too for false additions.

Also, again, as I’ve said before in another thread Face The Sun’s “21” versions was a very popularized false narrative by antis.

They never had 21 or 22 versions.

It is only 5 standard versions for the full album, 1 Carat version with 13 album covers (again, they are same as photo cards), you can’t pick and choose who you get. You can purchase the album 13 or dozens of time, but there is no guarantee you will get your bias. And, 1 Target version for Billboard. So, in reality it’s just 7 versions total. No 21 versions. No 22 versions. No 39 versions. Just 7.

Edit: Also, that OP is a known SVT anti that often uses that fake “22” narrative to drag Seventeen, she even incorporated “18” versions for Sector 17, that even I never knew existed. That person just hates most Kpop groups so no surprise as to why other fandoms are also mad.

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Collectors will want to have all album covers though, let's not act like Pledis just made different covers because they felt like it, that's still more versions. Nothing to be ashamed about, it means carats are loyal and have money.

If SM actually cared about BP the comeback would have been the 23rd to try and grab the major amount of music shows wins possible and have less competition on everything. Instead they just said "whatever" and are dropping the album with less than a month of preorders

Quote from Pinky_Peachy

I've never, ever, ever downplayed NCT's success and that's the last thing I'll say on this. I think it was pretty clear from everything up until this point that I like the members and a lot of their music. That's not what I said but I'm tired of my words being taken out of context and me not being able to express or explain myself in another language while multiple users gang up on me and I get called stupid. I've never said a bad thing about NCT on here or anywhere else. I don't like the system, not NCT.

I kinda get what you mean, NCT's idea of creating new units and adding members is risky, K-pop industry moves very fast and fans wants shiny new things and group easy to understand. Adding members makes a group seem less exclusive and makes it hard to empathize with the group as a whole. With time, if more and more members and units are added, it's more and more difficult for a casual fan to get into NCT or try to understand it, and even if the members are new, because they'll debut under an already known brand, they won't get as much hype as if it was a new bg.

Red Velvet's overall success is massively overrated because of their hits on Korea.

Quote from Bpsosoro

You said it yourself

Yeah with no touring lmaoooo you really think you did something

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It’s not like nct has surpassed Exo peak though, exo had to decline for them to pas them not nct growing

Give it a year for 4th gen ggs, when the novelty and fresh image wears off we will see who actually keeping the hype

Yeah NCT hasn't grown at all and with EXO inactive it's obviously Aespa alone keeping the lights on

Quote from alexS

Yeah, but we kind of heard of those. At least in passing.

There are plenty that don't even make the lowest rank because nobody heard about them.

Yeah well I took some of them from Wikipedia because I didn't know them lol but of course, if a lot of those ggs are struggling you can imagine the ones we haven't even heard of, pretty much swimming in debt...

Talking about nugus I remember how I made a thread months ago about that and created a 4th gen nugu ggs tierlist lol

Since then, Hot Issue and Lunarsolar have disbanded

Quote from User1234567

I don’t think I ever said it’s weird to pay attention to k-charts just that when I group doesn’t do well on them there automatically labeled as flops.

Honestly, personal opinion, anyone who labels idol groups as flops for not charting good here or there have no idea how the industry works. A group can have 200k streams on a song and not enter on the top 1000 of Melon, Spotify and have 500k views on Youtube, yet if they sell enough albums or have decent touring they are doing fine.

Quote from alexS

it's a vicious circle. They won't get recognition without an amazing song.

But the company is too small to afford hiring a big producer to get that song.

So unless they have an extremely talented member (and we're talking genius level producer here)

they will just put out songs made by run of the mill producers.

And that is ignoring the actual skill of the group. Because you do need good singing and dancing to make it into K-pop. For every top GG there are 20 that are struggling but at least still known. And over 200 groups that pretty much nobody heard of.

We're talking about groups that won't even get invited to music shows, not even the nugu ones.

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And even if the production is great and the producer is famous, you'll need A LOT of luck to be somewhat known or profitable, like Brave Girls with a viral video from a song that was released years ago.

But honestly, some of these groups name can be known to people who are really into K-pop as a whole, but it's very difficult for groups at that level to survive long-term. CLC wasn't nugu on a "no one knows them" way and you see what happened. Idk about Purple Kiss and Weeekly but the rest of the groups you mentioned can definitely struggle, even though they have names that people can somehow recognize. (I personally have barely heard about Craxy though)

Quote from Haolat

I pay more attention to Kcharts because most of the time that is where idols can feel the popularity and impact of their song the most. Also, it is more realistic to become an A-tier artist in Korea than in other countries.

Most groups only chart at the extreme low end of the charts in other countries. for example, kpop groups chart around 150-200 on Spotify global so they are making little to no impact on that chart but in Korea lot of groups have placed in their songs Top 10. It still depends on what you prefer. Would you rather be A-B tier in Korea (charting top 10 or Top 5) or D tier and below in other countries (charting 150 and below in other countries)?

Also, when a group has a popular song in Korea they can feel the impact by having people around them sing the song, being played in cafes and radio stations around the country. They can feel their popularity in real time by being invited to shows and tv stations, members become more popular and they can get CFs, solo work from dramas, and the likes. Most of the time Kpop groups getting popular outside korea means bits and bits of popularity from various countries so they might not get opportunities like in Korea.

Some groups might not chart in Korea but they make more money than those that chart in Korea. So you can still be successful if you don't appear on the Kcharts.

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This. If you do good on k-charts you can become a much more popular group on the country or at least in the local market, which can benefit you directly let it be with album sales, CFs or touring power on Asia. If you do good on let's say Spotify (for K-Pop standards) that's good because it means international k-pop fans know your music within the K-pop context, but it doesn't neccesarily translate to more important benefits. Western fans are not as loyal to a group usually.

It's absolutely crazy that there's at least 6 girl groups debuted on the last 10 months that are doing better than any boygroup who debuted on that period, although is true that big/medium companies aren't debuting that many bgs lately.

Quote from thelightoftruth

I think it's good move.

The additional exposure they may get from promoting with some of the biggest names in Kpop shouldn't be underrated.

If they can even snatch a small number of Blinks, Once, Sone etc it will be good thing for them.

There may also be the odd interaction as well. Sua is ex YG right? Tsuki ex SM? I think at least, I could be wrong.

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I've never seen a group grow because of this though, unless some interaction gets viral I don't think it's that important

Quote from BEG4DAWIN

Do you want them to wait until October?

If I was the CEO I wouldn't make them do a comeback until like November, breaks sometimes are good not only for the members but for the hype of a group.

Quote from Haolat

IVE had to face Aespa last year, there is no way they could have won

Aren't the groups who debut on November and December considered awards-wise for the next year anyways?

Quote from quarkie

I get why they're making a comeback. They keep trying to capitalize on Tsuki's hype, but their promotions keep getting fucked up because they keep getting covid. I feel like this comeback is also partially happening now because Moon Sua is going to be on that JTBC show which will pull some curious lookieloos because it's Jimin's comeback.

Honestly the main thing I've been disappointed in hasn't been too many promotions, but lack of good promotions. Why is Mystic not sending them to things like the Dream concert or even KCON? Those are huge opportunities for them that are just being passed over.

I remember they were about to perform in London with Red Velvet for a k-pop festival which I think was cool but sadly covid happened. Yeah I feel like Billlie is at that point where they could be on Kcon or a Dream concert and no one would find it weird.