Posts by fiascomangkunega
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I don't know if you are new fan or not but this (the focus on dancing) is just a thing on 4th gen. Kpop is singing + dancing of course but dancing was something secondary for previous gens. Choreos used to be simpler and it was more used as aesthetic or something fun, it's now when the shift happened and dancing became something more priority than singing.
I have been in the scene since I was on my junior high. I witness elfs vs vips, sones vs blackjacks, tara bullying case, deaths in kpop , etc. Same sh*t actually was fought back then. for example YG fans kept saying SM idols always lip sync, SM stans said YG idols cant sing and dance well. Or YG fans always love to call SM idols plastic (while they had park bom, or even g dragon's chin , for a start), and SM stans love to call YG idols untalented, and so on, and so fort.
Literally same argument. Trust me.
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Meh not feeling it..
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If anything, 4th gen groups are better than gen 1 or 2 actually after I think about it.
Gen 4th choreos are way way way harder and more intense compared to gen 1 or 2 choreos in general, so if gen 4 lip sync it is understandable. Meanwhile even with not so hard choreo gen 1 and 2 lip synced too.
Logic.
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you're an edgy one aren't you? lol
saying that live singing was the norm during 2nd generation doesn't mean no one lipsynched lol, like i have literally shared a lipsynched performance from 2nd generation from my own "precious 2nd generation faves", so it is not like i am denying it.
next, it is not my fault that you don't know what "lipsynching to prerecorded vocals" is which made me try to explain it to you by showing you different example. no where did i even say that either of the two was better than the other. it is simply a fact that this practice (of lipsynching to precorded vocals instead of cds) started at the beginning of 3rd generation and bacame the norm right now.
finally, the whole thing about banning lipsynching in music shows was a hoax, idols started lipsynching after it more than they ever did before it, they just went from straight out lipsynching to cds to faking their live singing by recording it before hand and then lipsynching to it.
anyway, this is going no where so let's stop here.
I literally gave you link to a real news that in 2011 there was even a bill (yes, national level) proposed to ban lip syncing and you called me edgy, don't know the different of lip syncing to cd and to a pre recorded etc?
Man..
Your precious gen 1, gen 2 LIP SYNCed too. Deal with it. It won't kill you.
They are humans, they cannot jump on stage without their voice being shaky, that's just no humanly possible. Get it?
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there is a difference between lipsynching to the cd version and lipsynching to prerecorded vocals where performers record a live performance without dancing and then lipsynch to it while dancing after it's cleaned up. the latter is what most kpop groups do nowadays and that practice started at the beginning of 3rd generation.
for example, this is lipsynching to the cd version
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External Content www.youtube.comContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.It's fine even if you keep making excuses to the point making it different for lip sync to cd, and lip sync to pre recorded (when both literally mean not singing live, at the moment).
All generations did that lip sync to the point in 2011 due to fact that before that year, lip syncing was heavily done in korean music scene (yes, including your precious gen 1, gen 2 whatever), a korean party proposed a lip sync ban bill. But if I may say something, pls be less delusional when defending our bias shall we?
The days of lip-syncing and hand-syncing may finally be coming to an end, as it was recently revealed that a bill for banning the two acts was presented to the Korean government. To clarify the bill proposed by the Liberty Forward Party., lip-syncing and hand-syncing are acts of mimicry, in which the artist pretends to be singing or playing an instrument. On May 13th, Senator Lee Myung Soo of the Forward Liberty Party reportedly submitted a Public Performance Act, which proposed that artists should not be allowed to lip-sync or hand-sync during commercial performances or broadcasts where the artists are given performance wages. In cases where lip-syncing and hand-syncing are unavoidable, it must be announced to the spectators beforehand that such acts will take place during their performance. Breaking this law should result in at least a year of jail time or a fine of at least $10,000 USD for negligence. Senator Lee stated, "In the past, viewers were able to watch a whole variety of different genres for performances including ballad, dance, and trot. These days, it's only dancing idol groups who are given the main focus. Due to the concentration of this particular genre, singers are trained more in their visuals rather than their singing ability."
He continued, "For example, at the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, a cute little girl with physically appealing facial features became a hot topic for singing the opening anthem, but it was later discovered that there was actually another girl of the same age singing for her behind-the-scenes. Ever since this global embarrassment, China has been working on legislating a law for the prohibition of lip-syncing. Even in our country, many people buy expensive tickets to watch artists sing or play live, but artists who lip-sync or hand-sync make spectators lose trust, and also obstrucst the development of our music industry. We submitted this bill as a way to solve these kinds of problems." The bill has already drawn strongly divided views, as one netizen expressed, "It doesn't make sense that singers can take thousands of dollars just for lip-syncing at an event," while another netizen voiced out, "There are times when singers need to perform intense choreography, and it's the idol dances that are the core of the Hallyu Wave, so trying to prohibit this by law doesn't make sense." Source: My Daily via Daum (1), My Daily via Daum (2)
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it does make it invalid, because kpop groups used to sing guinely live for most of the 2nd generation, in music shows.
in fact, even though lipsynching to prerecorded vocals was introduced at the beginning of the 3rd generation, it wasn't as dominant then as it is now. it is much easier to find live performances in music shows from 3rd generation than from 4th generation.
it is an increasing obsession with selling the illusion of perfection that led at to this point.
"pre recorded was introduced 3rd gen" That's totally invalid. even around 2009 they already lipsynced. Let's not being delusional here
Do you think this is live? (I just took random example,so no particularly target Apink)
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nope, there was a time during 2nd generation, circa 2006-2011 when live singing was the norm.
lipsynching to prerecorded vocals was introduced by some music shows around late 2012 early 2013
that doesnt make my comment invalid.
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Jaypark coming riding iu's boat LOL
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She should release something related to snsd again to bounce back her business (wait, did it even float in the first place? Whatever you know what I mean). I mean it's already ages but snsd fans are still gonna eat it. I mean, sones are basically the majority buying her products. She should make a headline like "Teyon once pushed me down the stair" or something. It's gonna work, trust me
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Not just on tiktok. For youtube views, compared to other top agencies (jyp, yg, hybe) they generally flop too.
SM has a huge problem in building their artists "persona". They need to learn from YG. YG doesnt even have top tier singers or dancers or whatever you wanna call but look how they always boast even the most little thing (like treasure can chart at 200+ on melon and their fans would still call it legend and spread all over the internet. You think it won't work? Say hi to BTS or probably Loona. Loona basically rose to where they are now thru youtube comment:"stan loona")
Meanwhile SM stans generally toxic to one another fandom. Exo ls attack teyon, or red velvet, they tend to stan blackpink for example. Just for that "edgy" bandwagon thing
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Real big
They are the face of the company
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Hwasa edgy gal persona is running thin. Simple as that. SK people move on from something real fast. But if she manages to get another trend thing she could bounce back. Take example Hyuna, she knows she needs to feed the media with something new all the time cause that's basically how she gets relevant "controversy". She doesnt have the vocals, nor the dance prowes. And she is actually smart, she knows showing skin wouldnt last forever as her body gets older as well, and then there's edawn and the love saga. It worked. Even tho her sales still whatever, but she's thriving on youtube view for example and her name still floats time to time.
