Posts by fiascomangkunega

Quote from ISaidISaid

If you ask the most toxic fandom now the result will be different I know you’re not stupid enough to not know that the popular group’s fandoms will be called the most toxic depending on the time. And all of these are shaped by translation accounts who translate based on a narrative.

Instead of thinking being in a fandom is a personality trait I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself and leave my thread.

Thanks much.

Ok, exo l

Song is totally generic. If anything darari is better (same type song). Plus treasure aren't problematic like jay who didnt even feel sorry for blaspeming religion and downgrade its women

Well that's all because IU carried.

Told u some days ago here, he wants the allkill.

Still underserved tho, he's ignorant and tryhard dude who loves to blasphemy religion and women

Quote from oldschool29

I never said exo L's were never toxic, I said all the major fandoms went through a toxic phase at some point. When a group gets really big it tends to attract terminally online type people who view the fandom as their friends and family, and are willing to go to any lengths to support that group, as well as garden variety trolls because they know they'll get a lot of attention if the group is popular.

Exo debuted a decade ago, I haven't seen rabid exo fans online in many years. Exo is not that active as members are doing military service, members have left the group, had kids, etc, it's just a weird example to bring up right now. Half the people on this site weren't even around for that era. I also specifically said that some blinks *have* been toxic before, reread the post.

Ofc every fandom has their toxic people but not all fandom initiate sabotage to certain group during their performance (black ocean) or crowned as most roxic fandom. There's a difference there. Lets not be delulu

Quote from pchromo4

saying melon will soon be as relevant as bugs is what made your comment sound ignorant. first spotify korea needs to become as relevant as bugs.

Why you focus only on spotify korea part and not the "people chaing platformS" part (s there means plural, Im sure you know). I just randomly took an example from whatever crossed my mind at that time writing the comment (didnt even think heavily when taking example)

Its true koreans changing platformS in listening music. Youtube for example if you want bigger amount. In some years, these platforms could literally take a big chunk of melon listeners or even obliterate it, who knows. If you deny change, you will be just like Nokia vs android

I honestly dont know what to do lol

I dont know the mechanism of this badge thing

Quote from Kairina

Beauty is subjective.The person u find the least attractive is considered the most attractive in the gp by a lot of people.Also jyp didn't mediaplay sullyoon,knetz are the ones praising sullyoon

Yeah sure those threads popping here and there suddenly about sulyoon is all by knetz..

Exactly because beauty is subjective, people with sheep mentality can be easily guided to idea of something is beautiful and something is not by constant posts or articles. Like some whatever paintings with just random lines is said to be one of most expensive paintings compared to a perfect sketch of someone's face.

Quote from LovenRose

Lipsync was always a thing, and yes it's not like it was uncommon, but they did sing live. Nowdays a group singing live on a music show is so rare that's it's treated like a huge thing when it happens

4th gen dosing lives too sometimes. What's your point lol

It's literally just the same for all generations. Deadass the argument during yg stans and sm stans back then in 2009-2ne1 disbanded is who lipsync the most and who doesn't, or who is talented the most who isn't

If lip sync was so "rare" in old gen, there wouldn't be a bill proposed to ban lip sync. Just simple as that.

Quote from kiwijoon

Me whenever someone praises winter or karina's "visuals"

Winter is more attractive than sulyoon at least.

Sulyoon is the least attractive member of nmixx. Literally there's Bae or Lily or Probably jiwoo and jyp decided to media play the heck out of sulyoon as "the beauty of nmixx".

This is same case of Sohee during wonder girls.

Quote from pchromo4

think again. spotify has even smaller market share than bugs in korea. melon has 40% market share, bugs has 3%, spotify korea has 1.5% market share. if anything bugs should be removed from instiz. youtube music is now the 2nd biggest music platform after melon but they don't offer hourly data, only daily.

Please open dictionary and find the meaning of "shifting". This shifting phase could take some time. And it's not just spotify, I just mentioned one for example.

Pay attention to the "people shifting platformS" phrase and not on the spotify word

Quote from atropos

And I'll talk about it again. Because it's obvious the new place audience is fleeing to is not reflected on the gaon charts. Now another reason is covid. The number of cases in sk is too high.

Gaon will adjust too eventually.

Quote from ISaidISaid

Exo vocalists have both so that for me. Idk how kpop fans lie to themselves talking about vocal color when the singer is clearly out of tune. Sometimes it feels like kpop fans couldn’t care less about musical quality. Lol.

I mean if people do stan music for vocal prowes, Sohyang would be best selling singer now and not BTS or something.

People use vocal prowes only if they need to downplay idols they don't like or idols who are rivals of their idols. For example people keep calling luna the best singer (totally arguable) to downplay other soloist who are way way more successful (sales and all) but when Luna released albums or singles, they always tanked real hard and nobody cares to stream or buy her music. So yes, vocal prowes don't really feed you in kpop realm

Quote from atropos

Are low melon ul numbers because of lack of audience for new music or is melon even losing more users? Where are these ppl going? Yt music?

The gaon points are miserable all across the board. These songs are not having anywhere the activity of a top10 songs should. Literally mid levels.

Imo people shifting platforms (like spotify for example).

Soon, probably melon would be as relevant as bugs now (probably).

It's nice tho so that I don't need to see bs argument about PAK whatsoever again (perhaps)

Quote from stan12345

Big Planet Made signed Be'o today. They signed Lee Mujin a few weeks back as well.

Who's behind the label?

Edit: Was looking at some of recent starts for 4th gen gg's and saw that Eleven never once made it above 300k UL's on Melon?

I haven't been following the charts recently but I didn't realise UL's were doing that badly. It'll be interesting to see if UL's pick up on Melon when summer hits as I realise Covid is semi-peaking again in SK as well. Or if this is another year in which Melon continues to decline in users.

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Well, the most important thing is those people "loyal" in streaming eleven. I mean, it's already months and eleven is still in top 10 melon right now. It works I guess. Not everyone gonna be #1

Quote from SunnyMoony

INVU got total of 7 hours PAKs i believe but i dont know if that number will beat RV one

isn't she your bias?

Quote from oldschool29

Mmm, I was kinda with you for the first half of this comment. Like SM seems like they rely too much on talent and not as much on building relationships between idols fans that seem personal to the fans. For example NCT, there are sooo many members and they all swap in and out of the subunits, the message that SM is either intentionally or unintentionally sending there is that the members are all replaceable, none of them are special or unique. That was a big misstep on SM's part, going back to SNSD one of the reasons they were so successful is that the public knew each member and loved their personalities.

Re: toxic fandom, are you kidding? Lol, hardcore exo stans are all like married with kids these days, they're not engaging in online fan wars. Every major fandom has gone through a toxic phase, including blinks and everyone else. That's not an SM specific issue.

Edited to add: I've always wondered if SM's strategy with NCT was in response to what happened to Exo. Exo was riding so high and took a big hit when some members left the group. It felt to me like they wanted to prevent any members of NCT from getting so popular that losing them would harm the group. Problem is, if they don't get that popular than neither does the group..

Please let's not with this exo ls are saint and not engaging with wars when they were once crowned as the most toxic fandom. SM boy groups stans are generally toxic to SM girl groups. I can bet you my arms, that SM boy groups stans prefer to stan blackpink instead of SM girl groups, and don't care or even toxic to them. Like, some people keep saying elfs are so saint as well, when they were the one that initiated black ocean to snsd back then.

And blinks aren't toxic? Are we living in the same universe?

Quote from LovenRose

No, no one ever said 1-2 gen didn't lipsync, only that they did it less. That's the only thing anyone's been arguing. Not sure what you're on about.

You keep arguing back about lipsync being more normal now than before, even though it clearly is, that's what I called you out for denying.

Sure it is less for previous gens to the point there was a bill proposed to ban lipsync in 2011. Totally means less lipsync back then

Anyone denying fact here is who think previous gens barely did lip sync

Quote from idontsleep

You said this

How do you know that you need to be super duper untalented to be that way if you have zero knowledge about music? :)

I just love when people that know shit call someone untalented. :)

Because I have ears good enough to hear his voice are out of tune with the music background.

You don't need to be a chef to say if some food tastes delicious or not.

Quote from idontsleep

Post your music degree :)

I am not musician. I made that post as music consumers.

And your screenshot doesnt really counter my comment above.

But then again, McD is loved around the world even tho it gives you obesity and health issues. *Shrug

Nothing new. This is same case as Suzy couldnt make her group more relevant (or at least as relevant) than her or Sejeong with gugudan case. So if you find a member, or some members who can be releveant themselves plus making their group relevant, they are actually badass