Le sserafim and Ive's rivalry starting before even debut?

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exactly! the person who uploaded this angle of the blackboard needs to clarify if it truly is from the middle school penis blackboard or is a new one from a few months ago. i won’t just brush it aside as something stupid because it could be true but then i wouldn’t be surprised if young teenagers are just adding more fuel to the fire to act all edgy.

And if it was a few months ago that this happened I still don't understand how this wasn't known before because doesn't garam go to SOPA. And ive members go there too so how did Hybe or no one find out about this since SOPA is such a famous school, where things aren't as easy to hide I'm assuming. If the accusations are true Hybe and Source are just really stupid for not looking into this stuff before they added her to the line up.

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This is such a mess i am worried for Sakura's debut do you think they might delay it?

their debut is probably in another month or so. it kind of depends on how long it takes to reach to the bottom of this. if garam’s name still isn’t cleared, a delay is inevitable. but at this point, even if she’s proven innocent there’s still so much potential hate material against her and her character that i think dropping her will be the best move. and if she’s guilty, that is literally the only option they have. it might set them back a few months and a few millions as well, but at least the other girls’ future wouldn’t get jeopardized.

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And if it was a few months ago that this happened I still don't understand how this wasn't known before because doesn't garam go to SOPA. And ive members go there too so how did Hybe or no one find out about this since SOPA is such a famous school, where things aren't as easy to hide I'm assuming. If the accusations are true Hybe and Source are just really stupid for not looking into this stuff before they added her to the line up.

i completely agree! im just thinking how a problematic trainee slipped under hybe’s radar? these past few days have been just insane. i wonder if hybe will put out another statement soon.

I dunno what to think anymore. I think i'm like Whi at this point, i'm just tired of the drama, i went through a ton of highs and lows yesterday and im tired.

Maybe later i'll rant about this, but for now, i'll posit a theory that Hybe and Source were so obsessed with their 6 Angelic Beauties concept that they either didnt care about her problematic past (if rumors are true) or they didnt take the time to do the background check to sniff out any issues with her. They were so hellbent on their concept that they forgot about risk management.

Which is incredibly ironic given how GLAM rocked BH to its very foundations.

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I dunno what to think anymore. I think i'm like Whi at this point, i'm just tired of the drama, i went through a ton of highs and lows yesterday and im tired.

Maybe later i'll rant about this, but for now, i'll posit a theory that Hybe and Source were so obsessed with their 6 Angelic Beauties concept that they either didnt care about her problematic past (if rumors are true) or they didnt take the time to do the background check to sniff out any issues with her. They were so hellbent on their concept that they forgot about risk management.

Which is incredibly ironic given how GLAM rocked BH to its very foundations.

Lucifer was an angel too.

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Lucifer was an angel too.

At this point, Hybe should just double down and do a Angel vs Lucifer concept (kinda like Aespa's Black Mamba vs Naevis). Make this girl Kpop's reigning "bad girl".

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I dunno what to think anymore. I think i'm like Whi at this point, i'm just tired of the drama, i went through a ton of highs and lows yesterday and im tired.

Maybe later i'll rant about this, but for now, i'll posit a theory that Hybe and Source were so obsessed with their 6 Angelic Beauties concept that they either didnt care about her problematic past (if rumors are true) or they didnt take the time to do the background check to sniff out any issues with her. They were so hellbent on their concept that they forgot about risk management.

Which is incredibly ironic given how GLAM rocked BH to its very foundations.

they could just replace garam with another trainee who was dropped out of the lineup near the very end? i mean sure it’ll set them back a couple of million dollars and a few months as well, but I’d rather take that route than sabotage the entire group. the other girls don’t deserve this i mostly feel bad about them

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I'm seriously missing something. How are they pinning this on her? I can take a picture of a blackboard with dick and the word IVE beside it. If I upload it and say Garam did it, would everyone believe me? I'm seriously asking, cause this is what this looks like to me and yet everyone seems to think this "mounting" evidence moves the arrow further towards her being guilty? How?

I'd really really like someone to explain this to me. I'm starting to feel like I'm missing something huge cause there's no way I'm a MENSA candidate.

I agree. There is no direct connection here. Every single piece of evidence does nothing to implicate her. It's literally just anonymous accusers and rando pictures.

I need to know dates and locations of these alleged bullying incidents.

I need to know names of everyone involved, including her friends and victims and witnesses, and i need the police or someone to actually question them.

I need to know school records and police records of any complaints filed that specifically implicate her.

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I'm seriously missing something. How are they pinning this on her? I can take a picture of a blackboard with dick and the word IVE beside it. If I upload it and say Garam did it, would everyone believe me? I'm seriously asking, cause this is what this looks like to me and yet everyone seems to think this "mounting" evidence moves the arrow further towards her being guilty? How?

I'd really really like someone to explain this to me. I'm starting to feel like I'm missing something huge cause there's no way I'm a MENSA candidate.

I want to know the same and how is connected to her but so much stuff keeps coming out that i think people will start to lean more towards her being guilty, i am still staying neutral but if she really bad mouthed Sakura when she is about to debut with her then she honestly deserves to be dropped from the group so let's hope we get some clarification soon!

Couldn't it be the same people accused of bullying Garam? After the allegations blew up they could have just gone yesterday, per example, and drawn those things on the board. Do we know from when is that pic?

Idk everything seems far too suspicious to me it's all very weird

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they could just replace garam with another trainee who was dropped out of the lineup near the very end? i mean sure it’ll set them back a couple of million dollars and a few months as well, but I’d rather take that route than sabotage the entire group. the other girls don’t deserve this i mostly feel bad about them

Honestly, i'm over putting another rando trainee into the mix. Everyone knows already, i've ranted a million times about it, i guess one more rant wont hurt, but there was never any need to add any more risk when you have Ssamkura.

You already have a pair of 10 carat diamonds. Why risk them for rando trainees who will most likely only serve to dilute the brand at best, and who at worst, could end up sinking your group like what this girl might do.

Ifans hype up the non Izone girls in Ive for example. But if you took out Wonyoung and Yujin from the group, that group aint selling more than 20k in albums and wouldnt even chart in the top 100 of Melon. OTOH, if Starshit had debuted just Wonyoung and Yujin as a duo, they would have sold 300k EASILY just by themselves and charted in the top 10 with the right song.

Same for Ssamkura. They might not have Wonyoung's GP appeal in S Korea but Sakura owns China and both do very well in Japan. And they're plenty talented enough to do an elegant dreamy concept with basic choreo and with Sakura talk rapping and Chaewon providing the vocals. They dont have to be like Itzy or StayC with their outsized dancing and vocal talent to be successful. And if for some reason, Hybe wasnt satisfied with the two, they couldve easily brought in Eunbi, Chaeyeon, Minju and Hyewon to make their six member group. The first two girls dont take a back seat to anyone when it comes to dance and both have solid enough vocals, while the latter two are stan attractors, Minju notably so.

It never had to be this way. Hybe had it all laid out in front of them, up to 10 Izone members to choose from, all they had to do was put in a little effort with the negotiations.

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Honestly, i'm over putting another rando trainee into the mix. Everyone knows already, i've ranted a million times about it, i guess one more rant wont hurt, but there was never any need to add any more risk when you have Ssamkura.

You already have a pair of 10 carat diamonds. Why risk them for rando trainees who will most likely only serve to dilute the brand at best, and who at worst, could end up sinking your group like what this girl might do.

Ifans hype up the non Izone girls in Ive for example. But if you took out Wonyoung and Yujin from the group, that group aint selling more than 20k in albums and wouldnt even chart in the top 100 of Melon. OTOH, if Starshit had debuted just Wonyoung and Yujin as a duo, they would have sold 300k EASILY just by themselves and charted in the top 10 with the right song.

Same for Ssamkura. They might not have Wonyoung's GP appeal in S Korea but Sakura owns China and both do very well in Japan. And they're plenty talented enough to do an elegant dreamy concept with basic choreo and with Sakura talk rapping and Chaewon providing the vocals. They dont have to be like Itzy or StayC with their outsized dancing and vocal talent to be successful. And if for some reason, Hybe wasnt satisfied with the two, they couldve easily brought in Eunbi, Chaeyeon, Minju and Hyewon to make their six member group. The first two girls dont take a back seat to anyone when it comes to dance and both have solid enough vocals, while the latter two are stan attractors, Minju notably so.

It never had to be this way. Hybe had it all laid out in front of them, up to 10 Izone members to choose from, all they had to do was put in a little effort with the negotiations.

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maybe it was too expensive. I wonder how much they paid for chaewon's contract

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maybe it was too expensive. I wonder how much they paid for chaewon's contract

Possible. I think Yena and Yuri would have been the most expensive since they come from legit agencies who might have priced them too high.

But Eunbi and Chaeyeon could have been had easily, RBW is tight with BangPD and Chae is jobless now, and Eunbi wouldve been less expensive than Chaewon. Hybe was clearly willing to pay for Minju and they would have gotten her if it was an all Izone group with Eunbi in charge. Hyewon is a wild card, she's not really necessary with the other five in, and i dont think she liked being an idol all that much, but she has value as a stan attractor and i think she could have worked.

Hybe already has two other GGs in the works, they coulda stuck these Source trainees into Ador or the Iland survival show. This Izone group couldve just been their transitional group, a group full of pros you dont have to micromanage, who would guarantee you 400-500k in sales every comeback and potentially digital hits as well.

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I'm sorry but this doesn't make sense to me. I just saw a tweet and it said that the blackboard doesn't make sense because if this happened when garam was in middle school it means it would be before 2021 right? And Ive's name hadn't been announced yet as iz*one was still a group. Also the name lesserafim was trademarked in 2021. How could garam and her friends know the names of both Ive and lesserafim before they were announced and the before the group lineups were even confirmed? I might be wrong but it just sounds fishy to me.

what nonsense is this?

using logic in kpop????

blasphemy!!!! every good fan knows to believe everything if it's pro my favs and deny everything if it's against...